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« Reply #1800 on: September 26, 2023, 03:09:03 pm »
St. Petersburg is something like 800 miles from Kyiv. Either Ukraine infiltrated, carrying major explosives and delivery system, a very long way, or anti-Putin partisans got them some serious explosives and delivery capability.

I doubt there are many tourists in Odessa, so I'm guessing the Russians hoped some Ukrainian naval leaders were meeting there or a lot of military personnel were being housed there. Or maybe it was just an empty revenge-symbol.
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« Reply #1801 on: September 26, 2023, 03:10:27 pm »
Quote from: PeteS in CA on September 26, 2023, 03:09:03 pm
St. Petersburg is something like 800 miles from Kyiv. Either Ukraine infiltrated, carrying major explosives and delivery system, a very long way, or anti-Putin partisans got them some serious explosives and delivery capability.

I doubt there are many tourists in Odessa, so I'm guessing the Russians hoped some Ukrainian naval leaders were meeting there or a lot of military personnel were being housed there. Or maybe it was just an empty revenge-symbol.

That, or there was a serious industrial accident at the power plant. 
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« Reply #1802 on: September 26, 2023, 04:22:00 pm »
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That, or there was a serious industrial accident at the power plant.

Well, it is Russia ...
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« Reply #1803 on: September 26, 2023, 05:19:01 pm »
Quote from: PeteS in CA on September 26, 2023, 04:22:00 pm
Well, it is Russia ...


They do smoke a lot in Russia.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1804 on: September 27, 2023, 12:40:23 am »
Russia's three day military operation is so successful that they now have to use pregnant women as cannon fodder.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1805 on: September 27, 2023, 02:14:28 am »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1806 on: September 27, 2023, 02:18:53 am »
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« Reply #1807 on: September 27, 2023, 03:31:18 am »
Flashback to 2014

Ukraine's Yanukovych asked for troops, Russia tells UN

4 March 2014

Ousted Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych asked Russia to send troops across the border to protect civilians, Moscow's UN envoy has claimed.

Vitaly Churkin told a Security Council meeting Mr Yanukovych wrote to Russian President Vladimir Putin on Saturday.

Thousands of Russian troops have been pouring into Ukraine's Crimea region.  .  .

.  .  .  The Kremlin has established de facto military control in Crimea. There are growing fears that it might try to seize more land in eastern Ukraine, where a number of people support closer ties with Moscow.

Ukrainian officials say reports suggest there is also a Russian military build-up near Ukraine's eastern border.  .  .

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26427848
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1808 on: September 27, 2023, 03:46:11 am »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1809 on: September 27, 2023, 11:16:46 am »
Quote from: Hoodat on September 27, 2023, 03:31:18 am
Flashback to 2014

Ukraine's Yanukovych asked for troops, Russia tells UN

4 March 2014

Ousted Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych asked Russia to send troops across the border to protect civilians, Moscow's UN envoy has claimed.

Vitaly Churkin told a Security Council meeting Mr Yanukovych wrote to Russian President Vladimir Putin on Saturday.

Thousands of Russian troops have been pouring into Ukraine's Crimea region.  .  .

.  .  .  The Kremlin has established de facto military control in Crimea. There are growing fears that it might try to seize more land in eastern Ukraine, where a number of people support closer ties with Moscow.

Ukrainian officials say reports suggest there is also a Russian military build-up near Ukraine's eastern border.  .  .

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26427848

Yanukovych was Putin's stooge in Ukraine, just like Lukashenko in Belarus.  Putin's original plan in February 2022 was to either kill or topple Zelensky, and then drop Yanukovych back into power and turn Ukraine back into a client state.

Ukraine's former President Yanukovych ousted in 2014 is in Minsk, Kremlin wants to reinstall him in Kyiv

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/03/2/7327392/


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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1810 on: September 27, 2023, 01:08:41 pm »
More from the infamous "transgender" English-speaking spokesperson for the Ukraine military (or former spokesperson, not sure):

The ex-spokesman of TDF "Sarah" Ashton Cirillo got pranked by Vovan and Lexus and has revealed some interesting information. She said that foreign mercenaries adhere to far-right views and use drugs.   ...

https://twitter.com/OlgaBazova/status/1706960341484048686
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1811 on: September 27, 2023, 01:57:50 pm »
Quote from: sneakypete on September 27, 2023, 03:46:11 am
@Hoodat


THAT could be a real buzz-kill!

LMAO!! Dumbassed orcs.  :laugh:
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1812 on: September 27, 2023, 03:37:50 pm »
Quote from: Timber Rattler on September 27, 2023, 11:16:46 am
Yanukovych was Putin's stooge in Ukraine, just like Lukashenko in Belarus.  Putin's original plan in February 2022 was to either kill or topple Zelensky, and then drop Yanukovych back into power and turn Ukraine back into a client state.

Ukraine's former President Yanukovych ousted in 2014 is in Minsk, Kremlin wants to reinstall him in Kyiv

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/03/2/7327392/

Funny thing is that this confirms that the 2014 Revolution against Yanulovych because he was a Russian stooge was justified.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1813 on: September 27, 2023, 03:51:24 pm »
It all goes back to this in November 2013:


Ukraine suspends talks on EU trade pact as Putin wins tug of war

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/21/ukraine-suspends-preparations-eu-trade-pact

and THIS:

Special Report: Why Ukraine spurned the EU and embraced Russia

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-russia-deal-special-report/special-report-why-ukraine-spurned-the-eu-and-embraced-russia-idUSBRE9BI0DZ20131219
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1814 on: September 28, 2023, 03:15:06 am »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1815 on: September 28, 2023, 06:30:08 pm »
Wagner transport plane overshoots runway in Mali


https://twitter.com/FlightEmergency/status/1706979204867211332
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1816 on: September 28, 2023, 07:10:03 pm »
This is a long thread that is looking into the current Russian mindset:



https://twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1707407873603428717
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« Reply #1817 on: September 29, 2023, 02:38:13 am »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1818 on: September 29, 2023, 02:44:15 am »
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« Reply #1819 on: September 29, 2023, 03:10:11 pm »
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Was it hit by a drone strike? yogi555
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« Reply #1820 on: September 29, 2023, 10:03:42 pm »
An expensive S-300 own-goal (~2 minutes):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNfM5BkyT-w
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1821 on: September 29, 2023, 10:24:31 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1822 on: September 30, 2023, 03:47:42 am »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1823 on: September 30, 2023, 02:08:22 pm »
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Russian air defences shoot down their own top fighter jet

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Russian air defences have shot down one of the country’s most advanced fighter jets in a friendly fire incident, according to reports.

The Russian Su-35 was downed over Tokmak, Zaporizhzhia Oblast, on Thursday where Ukraine is mounting its counter-offensive.

A Russian Telegram channel with close links to the country’s air force appeared to confirm the incident on Friday when it paid tribute to the pilot, who did not survive.

Tokmak is very close to the area where the Ukrainians are trying to drive a wedge into the land connection between Russia and the Crimean Peninsula. The Su-35 being there and the S-300 battery being hyper-alert are very understandable. What I'm not understanding is the shoot-down. IFF technology dates to WW2 and has advanced astronomically since. Was the Su-35's IFF not functioning? Was the S-300 battery's IFF receiver not functioning? Have the Russians not updated their IFF coding since 1991, making their SAM systems unable to discern between Russian and Ukrainian planes? Did the S-300 battery crew ignore their system's IFF and shoot despite being informed that their target was Russian?
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1824 on: September 30, 2023, 03:25:29 pm »
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Have the Russians not updated their IFF coding since 1991, making their SAM systems unable to discern between Russian and Ukrainian planes?

Did the S-300 battery crew ignore their system's IFF and shoot despite being informed that their target was Russian?

I suspect either of these two.  For the latter, it was likely an instance where some officer ordered the crew, and it was better for them to follow orders than to take a beating disobeying them,
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