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[Hoodat]

Summations, but no credible proof. That goes for Brandon as well.

@libertybele @txradioguy

For those who wish to draw a parallel between those saying that there is no evidence of Zelenskiy corruption and those saying that there is no evidence of Biden corruption:

Biden:  GOP Reps Release 22 Examples of Biden’s Corruption After Dems Claim There’s No Evidence


Zelenskiy: 

[Kamaji]

@libertybele @txradioguy

For those who wish to draw a parallel between those saying that there is no evidence of Zelenskiy corruption and those saying that there is no evidence of Biden corruption:

Biden:  GOP Reps Release 22 Examples of Biden’s Corruption After Dems Claim There’s No Evidence


Zelenskiy: 

[DB]

The Dan Rather school of journalism...  We don't need any actual evidence... We know it is true... Fake but accurate...

[libertybele]

Zelenskyy's lack of credibility is evident.

Believe what you want.

 

[Kamaji]

Zelenskyy's lack of credibility is evident.

Believe what you want.

 

Zelensky is one of the few with high credibility here.  Believe Putin's lies all you want.

[Hoodat]

Zelenskyy's lack of credibility is evident.

You do realize that the words 'evident' and 'evidence' have the same root, right?  So where is the 'evidence'?

[libertybele]

You do realize that the words 'evident' and 'evidence' have the same root, right?  So where is the 'evidence'?

As I stated up thread, believe what you want.   

[Hoodat]

As I stated up thread, believe what you want.

Or in your case, believe what you 'feel' with zero regard for whether or not it is true.

[Bigun]

I don't think Zelinski himself is all that corrupt but his masters in the United States are corrupt to the core and will use Zelinski for their own nefarious purposes until the cows come home!

[Smokin Joe]

If, and I do believe this, that Zelensky wants Ukraine to remain sovereign and not a Russian vassal state, He'd likely dance with the Devil to keep the Russians out.
If he's dealing with Biden, there is corruption built in. It does not mean Zelensky is getting rich off of this (he was already rich when the Russians invaded), but Biden and those in his network from the days of his Vice Presidency likely are siphoning off a lot.

Which is why so many of us wanted materiel support, and not very much cash.

Between the Holodomor, the mining waste and complexes contaminated like Zhovti Vody, and still not dealt with (likely some Oligarch, somewhere, is keeping it that way), the Ukrainians have plenty of reasons for not wanting Soviet Russian control of the region.

[Smokin Joe]

I don't think Zelinski himself is all that corrupt but his masters in the United States are corrupt to the core and will use Zelinski for their own nefarious purposes until the cows come home!

I think he is faced with the reality that if he wants the 'pot', the (White) House is going to get its rake.

[Hoodat]

I think he is faced with the reality that if he wants the 'pot', the (White) House is going to get its rake.

B-I-N-G-O

[Kamaji]

I think he is faced with the reality that if he wants the 'pot', the (White) House is going to get its rake.

So, in reality, the "problem" here is American corruption, not Ukraine corruption.

[Bigun]

I think he is faced with the reality that if he wants the 'pot', the (White) House is going to get its rake.

  Which is why we should insist that the pot contain very little $$$.

[Hoodat]

So, in reality, the "problem" here is American corruption, not Ukraine corruption.

Double B-I-N-G-O

[Smokin Joe]

So, in reality, the "problem" here is American corruption, not Ukraine corruption.

That is my belief, that the American corruption is an order or orders of magnitude greater than that on the receiving end.

The weapons being sent, even from eastern European nations, have been held up when Biden could use the US as an intermediary, 'pledges' are front page news, but deliveries lag considerably, and then they are weapons or systems that were often outmoded (M113-vietnam era), and understandably downgraded from the latest block builds in the US. But all this is being delivered at top dollar, and the older US systems are not being replaced here with new ones yet. Yet that 'money' is being budget and sent, where?

[Bigun]

So, in reality, the "problem" here is American corruption, not Ukraine corruption.

  I believe that absolutely!

[Cyber Liberty]

So, in reality, the "problem" here is American corruption, not Ukraine corruption.

I think there is a lot of corruption.  I am not sufficiently aware of life in Ukraine, but there is certainly a lot in the USA.  At least, in my little corner of it.

[sneakypete]

Zelenskyy's lack of credibility is evident.

Believe what you want.

 

@libertybele

Spoken like  a true surrender  monkey.

[sneakypete]

Or in your case, believe what you 'feel' with zero regard for whether or not it is true.

@libertybele

@Hoodat

She is going to  believe whatever it is she HAS to believe to avoid  going  to  war.

If the Soviets were to demand we surrender or they would attack,she would be screaming "We need to surrender!"

Some people are  just born that way.

[sneakypete]

So, in reality, the "problem" here is American corruption, not Ukraine corruption.

@Kamaji

Yes,and it is NOT just related to the Soviet invasion of Ukraine. It is everywhere the Dims and their RINO buddies stick their noses into anything. The war in Ukraine is seen by them as just one more chance to steal money and make deals with the military-industrial complex  so they get a cut of every dollar spent.

[Bigun]

@Kamaji

Yes,and it is NOT just related to the Soviet invasion of Ukraine. It is everywhere the Dims and their RINO buddies stick their noses into anything. The war in Ukraine is seen by them as just one more chance to steal money and make deals with the military-industrial complex  so they get a cut of every dollar spent.

 

[Smokin Joe]

@Kamaji

Yes,and it is NOT just related to the Soviet invasion of Ukraine. It is everywhere the Dims and their RINO buddies stick their noses into anything. The war in Ukraine is seen by them as just one more chance to steal money and make deals with the military-industrial complex  so they get a cut of every dollar spent.

Yup. Even a tenth of a percent of a billion dollars is a million bucks. The more money moving, the more to be skimmed.

[Kamaji]

Obliterated wasteland where not even one building still stands is reclaimed by Ukraine as it reveals it has retaken less than a square mile around Bakhmut in a week

Ukraine's military is painstakingly recovering territory around the embattled city of Bakhmut metre-by-metre
But little more than rubble remains where apartment blocks, offices, town halls and factories once stood

By DAVID AVERRE
18 September 2023

The sheer devastation of the war in Ukraine has been laid bare in desolate new images of towns recently recaptured from Russian occupiers by Kyiv's forces.

The city of Bakhmut and its satellite towns in the eastern Donetsk region have long been the epicentre of some of the war's bloodiest conflicts, with months of attrition and World War One-style trench warfare resulting in thousands of deaths on both sides - and Russia's eventual capture of Bakhmut in May.

Now Ukraine's military is painstakingly recovering its territory around the former industrial city metre-by-metre, with Deputy Defence Minister Hanna Maliar announcing over the weekend her troops had pushed Moscow's forces out of the villages of Andriivka and Klishchiivka.

Both cities lie on higher ground and their capture could set the stage for reasserting control over the pivotal city.

But where apartment blocks, offices, town halls and factories once stood, little more than piles of rubble, the charred remains of trees and twisted hunks of burnt-out armoured cars remain.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12531163/Obliterated-wasteland-not-one-building-stands-reclaimed-Ukraine-reveals-retaken-square-mile-Bakhmut-week.html

[Timber Rattler]

Kyiv dismisses 7 top defense officials; Zelensky to address U.N., Congress

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/09/18/russia-ukraine-war-news/

Ukraine’s cabinet dismissed Deputy Defense Minister Hanna Maliar from her post, along with six other top officials in the Defense Ministry, according to an update Monday shared on Telegram. The announcement comes after President Volodymyr Zelensky ousted defense chief Oleksii Reznikov this month, as the ministry grappled with corruption claims.