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« Reply #1225 on: August 12, 2023, 04:02:53 pm »
Smoke billows from Russia's Kerch bridge to Crimea: Kremlin claims to have shot down two Ukrainian missiles aimed at crucial link to annexed peninsula

    The £3billion bridge connecting Russia to Crimea carries heavy significance

By Arthur Parashar
12 August 2023

The Kremlin has claimed it has downed two Ukrainian missiles aimed at Russia's Kerch Bridge to Crimea - as video shows smoke billowing over the crucial link to the annexed peninsula.

The 12-mile crossing carries heavy significance for Moscow, both logistically and psychologically, as a key artery for military and civilian supplies and as an assertion of Kremlin control of the peninsula it illegally annexed in 2014.

Russia's foreign ministry vowed retaliation for what it called a 'terrorist attack' on the bridge in Crimea.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12400025/Smoke-billows-Russias-Kerch-bridge-Crimea-Kremlin-claims-shot-two-Ukrainian-missiles-aimed-crucial-link-annexed-peninsula.html

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« Reply #1226 on: August 12, 2023, 04:54:59 pm »
Were the missiles "shot down" by the bridge?
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« Reply #1227 on: August 13, 2023, 05:20:07 am »
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« Last Edit: August 13, 2023, 05:25:38 am by Hoodat »
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« Reply #1229 on: August 13, 2023, 02:25:58 pm »
As Ukrainian forces advance toward the Black Sea, this supply highway comes within range of more types of artillery systems. In addition to being a main supply route into Crimea this highway is als key to supplying the Russian forces north of it that are being attacked. And of course, seaborne supply to Crimea is also getting hazardous.

Maybe Putin should declare Mariupol, Berdyansk, Melitopol, Simferopol, and Sevastopol to be Fortress Cities.
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« Reply #1230 on: August 14, 2023, 03:17:56 am »
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« Reply #1231 on: August 14, 2023, 07:54:12 am »
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« Reply #1232 on: August 14, 2023, 01:15:32 pm »
For the second time I ran into a group of Ukrainians working on projects in my town.  Some where emigres before the war, and some are here temporarily because of the war.  Anyone else come across this?

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« Reply #1233 on: August 14, 2023, 02:54:27 pm »
People have been immigrating to the US from Ukraine for well over a century, my grandparents among them. Our previous neighbors for quite a few years were either from Ukraine or were first-generation Americans of Ukrainian parentage.
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« Reply #1234 on: August 14, 2023, 04:20:37 pm »
My paternal grandparents from Ukraine too....But havent been too many since the DPs from WWII in our neck of the woods as our industrial base  and jobs went away.  So it has been interesting to withness the recent arrivals

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« Reply #1235 on: August 14, 2023, 04:42:11 pm »
For the second time I ran into a group of Ukrainians working on projects in my town.  Some where emigres before the war, and some are here temporarily because of the war.  Anyone else come across this?
Eastern Europeans would come here pre-COVID and work two jobs, and live rough for the six month visa. They would save every dime they could here, and go home and start a business or two with their savings.
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« Reply #1236 on: August 14, 2023, 06:22:48 pm »
My paternal grandparents from Ukraine too....But havent been too many since the DPs from WWII in our neck of the woods as our industrial base  and jobs went away.  So it has been interesting to withness the recent arrivals

There probably weren't many Ukrainians emigrating to much of anywhere between 1945 and 1990.
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« Reply #1237 on: August 14, 2023, 08:21:23 pm »
He let the cat out of the bag...

Prague Will Be Ours Again, Says Russian Propagandist on State TV

https://www.praguemorning.cz/nikolay-vavilov-prague/

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While the Russian army continues to defend its positions in the Donbas, a year and a half since the onset of the Ukrainian invasion, Russian media is already discussing the possibility of expanding Russian territory deep into Central Europe.

As Novinky reports, on Russian television, propagandist Nikolay Vavilov recently asserted that the envisioned revitalized Russian empire should encompass cities like Prague and Berlin.

“It will continue endlessly, and we will progressively assume a role similar to that of the Russian Empire. I wasn’t joking when I mentioned on the previous program that Berlin, Dresden, Prague, and Ljubljana – they will all become part of our domain. Why? Because history shows that when we entered Paris in 1815 and Berlin in 1945, as well as during the late 18th century – these were not mere coincidences. Russia is the largest country in Europe and wields substantial power,” exclaimed Vavilov. He was a guest on the Pervyi Kanal TV discussion show, hosted by the well-known presenter Olga Skabeyeva

Vavilov’s ramblings evidently sparked amusement even on Russian television. Despite his assurance that he was speaking completely seriously, the corners of the mouths of both Skabeyeva and some other guests present during his speech twitched. “Why have we always withdrawn? Why have we been so irresponsible towards our victories?” Skabeyeva asked him.

A recording of the broadcast was posted on the social network by Anton Gerashchenko, an adviser to the Ukrainian Interior Minister.

Undeterred, Vavilov continued his impassioned speech, proclaiming, “True victory will be achieved when we stand in Kiev.”

Russian officials have made similar threats since the war in Ukraine broke out. For example, President Vladimir Putin has repeatedly threatened the West with a nuclear attack, Reuters recalled
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1238 on: August 14, 2023, 08:42:36 pm »
He let the cat out of the bag...

Prague Will Be Ours Again, Says Russian Propagandist on State TV

Impossible.  This is just a "border war', according to one propagandist here.
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« Reply #1239 on: August 14, 2023, 08:58:14 pm »
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... but which border are they talking about?  There are so many to choose from?



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« Reply #1240 on: August 15, 2023, 12:32:32 pm »
Kyiv troops push Russian forces out of territory in the south and east

By CHRIS JEWERS
14 August 2023

Pictures from the frontlines have shown Ukrainian artillerymen raining fire down on Vladimir Putin 's invaders, as Kyiv 's troops continue their counter-offensive. The Ukrainian military said it had pushed Russian forces out of pockets of territory along the front lines in the east and south of the country, building on the grueling counter-offensive launched two months ago. The gains - announced by Ukraine's deputy defense minister - came as Russia claimed its forces had progressed in the eastern Kharkiv region, undermining Kyiv's highly anticipated campaign. However, reports have also suggested Ukraine has completed operations across a southern point on the Dnipro river, a key objective for Kyiv.

Ukraine kicked off its counter-offensive against Russian forces in June after building up assault battalions and stockpiling Western-donated weapons. But progress has been hampered by widespread Russian-laid minefields and strong fortifications, Deputy Defense Minister Hanna Maliar (pictured) said, with Kyiv saying it had only gained a clutch of land around the war-battered city of Bakhmut last week. Nevertheless, the Ukrainian military had pushed forward around the village of Staromaiorske, around 60 miles southwest of Russian-held Donetsk, and was pressing on two fronts in the south, Maliar said. She said troops were fighting for control of the neighboring settlement of Urozhaine. A Moscow-installed official in an occupied part of Ukraine's Zaporizhzhia region said on Sunday that Kyiv was attempting to pierce Russian lines by gaining a foothold in both villages which stand in the path of Ukraine's goal of reaching the Sea of Azov.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/galleries/article-12406367/Kyiv-troops-push-Russian-forces-territory-south-east.html

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« Reply #1241 on: August 15, 2023, 12:34:00 pm »
Russia warns of 'nuclear catastrophe' in Ukraine... amid Western fears Kremlin is planning a false flag strike that will spread radioactive pollution across Europe

Russia said Ukraine was shelling its own nuclear power plant in Zaporizhzhia
It comes just days after Russian missiles destroyed an aid worker hotel there

By WILL STEWART
15 August 2023

Russian defence minister Sergei Shoigu today warned of 'nuclear catastrophe' in the war in Ukraine.

He spoke out amid Western fears that Russia is planning a false flag operation blaming Ukraine for a nuclear leak which could trigger radioactive pollution across Europe.

'There is an alarming situation developing around the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant,' said Vladimir Putin's defence minister.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12408561/Russia-warns-nuclear-catastrophe-Ukraine-amid-Western-fears-Kremlin-planning-false-flag-strike-spread-radioactive-pollution-Europe.html

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« Reply #1242 on: August 15, 2023, 05:55:13 pm »
Impossible.  This is just a "border war', according to one propagandist here.


I have seen news reports about some Russian Lawmakers who insist Russia take Alaska back.
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« Reply #1243 on: August 16, 2023, 03:38:45 am »
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... but which border are they talking about?  There are so many to choose from?



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« Reply #1244 on: August 16, 2023, 03:59:23 am »
Ukraine has captured Urozhaine.  Next stop, Zavitne Bazhannya.  Then Staromlynivka.  When that falls, there will be a giant hole in the Russian line.  Not much of a defensive position behind it.
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« Reply #1246 on: August 16, 2023, 08:25:09 am »
Ukraine has captured Urozhaine.  Next stop, Zavitne Bazhannya.  Then Staromlynivka.  When that falls, there will be a giant hole in the Russian line.  Not much of a defensive position behind it.

Followed by a breakthrough and a fast-track to the Sea of Azov, splitting the orc army in two. 
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« Reply #1248 on: August 16, 2023, 10:34:12 am »

I have seen news reports about some Russian Lawmakers who insist Russia take Alaska back.

Yes indeed.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/07/07/russian-house-speaker-threatens-to-take-back-alaska-a78230

https://nypost.com/2022/07/08/vladimir-putins-stooges-threaten-to-reclaim-alaska-from-us/

https://www.businessinsider.com/kremlin-official-suggests-US-remember-Alaska-belonged-to-Russia-2022-7

That's one of the most frustrating things in trying to get the "not my fight" crowd to understand.  The Russian invasion of Ukraine was JUST THE START of a larger campaign to reclaim ALL the former Soviet republics and Imperial Russian territories, including Alaska.  They have forgotten about Chamberlain's efforts to appease Hitler in 1938, and how that turned out for Europe and the U.S. after 1939. 

Ignore history and history will bite you!
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« Reply #1249 on: August 16, 2023, 04:30:02 pm »
Yes indeed.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/07/07/russian-house-speaker-threatens-to-take-back-alaska-a78230

https://nypost.com/2022/07/08/vladimir-putins-stooges-threaten-to-reclaim-alaska-from-us/

https://www.businessinsider.com/kremlin-official-suggests-US-remember-Alaska-belonged-to-Russia-2022-7

That's one of the most frustrating things in trying to get the "not my fight" crowd to understand.  The Russian invasion of Ukraine was JUST THE START of a larger campaign to reclaim ALL the former Soviet republics and Imperial Russian territories, including Alaska.  They have forgotten about Chamberlain's efforts to appease Hitler in 1938, and how that turned out for Europe and the U.S. after 1939. 

Ignore history and history will bite you!


I agree.. I get it, it's ok to question the amount of $$$ being sent to Ukraine, but we have to stop Russia now.


As you said, Putin wants to return Russia to it's former glory days.  As you said, they have forgotten Chamberlain's appeasement in 1938 and it bit us in the butt.  We have to draw the line now or we will face a tougher Russia when they go after the Baltics and try to take over Alaska.


Also, speaking of Alaska, I did some kind of non-scientific poll asking if should we return Alaska to Russia even if it means peace. Almost 20% said yes!
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