Ukraine 4

[sneakypete]

it's got to make the geezer Generals in Moscow nervous about their own positions

Being a general in Moskow is like strapping on a suicide bomb. It is only the tick tick tok until you suicide or fall off a balcony.
In terms of job viability, "Russian General" is not looking good.

@240B

True,but  at SOME point even Russian Generals have to become aware of the FACT that doing noting is  more dangerous to THEM than going along with the flow.

No way in HELL is Putin going to take the blame,so who is next in line if not the Generals?

[Kamaji]

Russia accuses Ukraine of attacking Black Sea navy base and Crimea with drones

By Associated Press
August 4, 2023

Russia accused Ukraine early Friday of attacking its Black Sea navy base in the port of Novorossiysk with sea drones.

The attack on Novorossiysk is the first time a commercial Russian port has been targeted in the 18-month war.

The city is a major port on the Black Sea and hosts a naval base, shipbuilding yards and an oil terminal. It is a key port for Russian exports.

Novorossiysk is just across the water from Crimea, where Russia’s Ministry of Defense said it thwarted another attack by Ukraine overnight, taking down 13 drones.

Russia’s Ministry of Defense said Russian ships patrolling the perimeter of the naval base destroyed two Ukrainian sea drones.

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/08/04/russia-accuses-ukraine-of-attacking-black-sea-navy-base-and-crimea-with-drones/

[Kamaji]

Russians tortured nearly half of Kherson prisoners, some with genital electrocution: report

By Isabel Keane
August 2, 2023

Nearly half of the Ukrainians held by Russian troops in detention centers in Kherson encountered widespread torture and sexual violence — with some even being subjected to genital electrocution, war crime investigators said in a report released Wednesday.

The report analyzed 320 cases of imprisonment across 35 detention centers in Kherson and found at least 43% of victims “explicitly mentioned practices of torture in the detention centers, citing sexual violence as a common tactic imposed on them by Russian guards.”

The report was compiled by a Mobile Justice Team formed by international human rights firm Global Rights Compliance, which has supported Ukraine’s Office of the Prosecutor General (OPG) with its war crimes investigations since the Kherson region was reclaimed from Russia in November.

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/08/02/kherson-prisoners-subjected-to-torture-including-genital-electrocution/

[Kamaji]

Russians tortured nearly half of Kherson prisoners, some with genital electrocution: report

By Isabel Keane
August 2, 2023

Nearly half of the Ukrainians held by Russian troops in detention centers in Kherson encountered widespread torture and sexual violence — with some even being subjected to genital electrocution, war crime investigators said in a report released Wednesday.

The report analyzed 320 cases of imprisonment across 35 detention centers in Kherson and found at least 43% of victims “explicitly mentioned practices of torture in the detention centers, citing sexual violence as a common tactic imposed on them by Russian guards.”

The report was compiled by a Mobile Justice Team formed by international human rights firm Global Rights Compliance, which has supported Ukraine’s Office of the Prosecutor General (OPG) with its war crimes investigations since the Kherson region was reclaimed from Russia in November.

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/08/02/kherson-prisoners-subjected-to-torture-including-genital-electrocution/

But, according to those on TOS, and even a few here, the Russians are the good guys, because, well, because they outlawed gay marriage.

[PeteS in CA]

Russia accuses Ukraine of attacking Black Sea navy base and Crimea with drones

By Associated Press
August 4, 2023

Russia accused Ukraine early Friday of attacking its Black Sea navy base in the port of Novorossiysk with sea drones.
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The city is a major port on the Black Sea and hosts a naval base, shipbuilding yards and an oil terminal. It is a key port for Russian exports.

Novorossiysk is just across the water from Crimea, where Russia’s Ministry of Defense said it thwarted another attack by Ukraine overnight, taking down 13 drones.
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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/08/04/russia-accuses-ukraine-of-attacking-black-sea-navy-base-and-crimea-with-drones/

I would say "Credited". Novorossiysk is both a naval base and a supply port for occupied Crimea and Zaporizhia. It's a valid and important military target. Putin can end the whole bloody mess by GTFO of Ukraine, Crimea included.

[PeteS in CA]

But, according to those on TOS, and even a few here, the Russians are the good guys, because, well, because they outlawed gay marriage.

TOSers want Putin to rebuild the Stalinist-Czarist empire? Why? Are they hoping for Holodomor 2.0?

[Kamaji]

TOSers want Putin to rebuild the Stalinist-Czarist empire? Why? Are they hoping for Holodomor 2.0?

They're not thinking.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

But, according to those on TOS, and even a few here, the Russians are the good guys, because, well, because they outlawed gay marriage.

Yup.  They seem to make this weird linkage between what Russia's policy on gay marriage  is, and what our is.  As if what Russia''s policies are will somehow change what he do here.

The two things have nothing to do with each other, but they argue that puts Russia on "our side".

Strange little people over at that place now.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

TOSers want Putin to rebuild the Stalinist-Czarist empire? Why? Are they hoping for Holodomor 2.0?

Because they see Ukraine as the tool of the EU, WEF, Klaus Schwab, and globalism.   So defeating Ukraine will weaken those things.

That's their logic.  I think it's got more holes than cheese, but that's the "why".

[Kamaji]

Looks like Ukraine managed to score a hit.

BREAKING:  Russian Navy Ship Heavily Damaged by Ukrainian Drone Strike

By streiff
August 04, 2023

Early Friday morning, a Ukrainian unmanned surface vehicle (USV) successfully attacked the Russian Black Sea Fleet port of Novorossiysk. The target was the Ropucha-class landing ship (LST) Olenegorski Gornjak. Video shows a damaged LST listing heavily and attended by other vehicles. Video has been released purporting to be from the onboard camera of the USV; I’m dropping it here without any opinion on its authenticity. The Russians claim to have destroyed two USVs, but close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

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Here are additional videos of a Ropucha-class LST under tow and listing heavily to port which matches the location of the strike.

https://twitter.com/clashreport/status/1687349918451564544

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https://twitter.com/clashreport/status/1687402340771360772

The Ropucha-class is a “Landing Ship, Tank” landing ship. It has roll-on/roll-off capability with a shallow draft that can land tanks nearly on shore.

Novrossiysk is one of the largest ports in the Black Sea basin and one of the two major ports of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet.

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Source:  https://redstate.com/streiff/2023/08/04/breaking-russian-navy-ship-heavily-damaged-by-ukrainian-drone-strike-n787198

[PeteS in CA]

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Novrossiysk is one of the largest ports in the Black Sea basin and one of the two major ports of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet.
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The other being Sevastopol in Crimea, which is well within range of Ukrainian rockets, missiles, and drones. A few "perfect" strikes from any/all of those won't destroy either base - Duh-uhhhh! - but damaging ships and facilities mission-kill what is hit, and establish a context of threat. I'm sure the orcs would love to have the assets protecting Novorossiyisk instead on their front lines in Zaporizhia and Donetsk.

[Kamaji]

The other being Sevastopol in Crimea, which is well within range of Ukrainian rockets, missiles, and drones. A few "perfect" strikes from any/all of those won't destroy either base - Duh-uhhhh! - but damaging ships and facilities mission-kill what is hit, and establish a context of threat. I'm sure the orcs would love to have the assets protecting Novorossiyisk instead on their front lines in Zaporizhia and Donetsk.

[Timber Rattler]

Because they see Ukraine as the tool of the EU, WEF, Klaus Schwab, and globalism.   So defeating Ukraine will weaken those things.

That's their logic.  I think it's got more holes than cheese, but that's the "why".

One of them actually told me the other day that he wanted to rebuild the Russian Empire and thought that things would be better now if the Soviet Union had won the Cold War.

Seriously?

They even want to see the U.S. military defeated in Europe and our cities nuked, just so that our country will somehow be rebuilt more to their liking.  And yes, several have said this openly on the forum.

[DefiantMassRINO]

This is Putin's war.  He does not want the Ukrainan people to decide their own future.

Much like Hitler, Mussolini, and Napoleon III, Putin wants to restore a rump state to its previous imperial glory ... and many will die for a madman's aspirations.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

One of them actually told me the other day that he wanted to rebuild the Russian Empire and thought that things would be better now if the Soviet Union had won the Cold War.

Seriously?

They even want to see the U.S. military defeated in Europe and our cities nuked, just so that our country will somehow be rebuilt more to their liking.  And yes, several have said this openly on the forum.

I've read that same thing over there.  They don't side with "the United States" anymore because they view the country as essentially being under the occupation of the Biden regime.  So actually, the current iteration of the U.S. are the bad guys, and they actively root against us internationally.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

The other being Sevastopol in Crimea, which is well within range of Ukrainian rockets, missiles, and drones. A few "perfect" strikes from any/all of those won't destroy either base - Duh-uhhhh! - but damaging ships and facilities mission-kill what is hit, and establish a context of threat. I'm sure the orcs would love to have the assets protecting Novorossiyisk instead on their front lines in Zaporizhia and Donetsk.

The issue is going to be that with the Kerch bridge damaged, and the overland route subject to interdiction, keeping supplies (especially water) flowing to the Crimea will be dependent upon shipping.  So if the Ukrainians can damage that enough, the Russians have a major problem.

[DominusVobiscum]

They even want to see the U.S. military defeated in Europe and our cities nuked, just so that our country will somehow be rebuilt more to their liking.  And yes, several have said this openly on the forum.

Yeah that site has gone full retard.  Makes DU sound moderate.

[Elderberry]

Russian ship hit in Novorossiysk, Black Sea drone attack, Ukraine sources say

BBC by James Waterhouse in Kyiv & Kathryn Armstrong in London 8/4/2023

A Russian naval ship has been damaged in a Ukrainian naval drone attack in the Black Sea, Ukrainian sources say.

The assault reportedly occurred near the Russian port of Novorossiysk, which is a major hub for Russian exports.

Russia's defence ministry said it had repelled a Ukrainian attack on its naval base there which involved two sea drones, but did not admit any damage.

But Ukrainian security service sources say the Olenegorsky Gornyak was hit and suffered a serious breach.

They told the BBC a sea drone was carrying 4 0kg (992lb) of dynamite when it hit the ship.

Russia made no mention of any damage in its report of the incident.

Sea drones are small, unmanned vessels which operate on or below the water's surface.

A video sent to the BBC by a source with Ukraine's security service appears to show the drone approaching a ship thought to be the Olenegorsky Gornyak.

The footage shows a vessel travelling right up to the side of a ship before the feed cuts out, apparently on impact.

More: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66402046

[Cyber Liberty]

I was not aware a drone could carry that much payload.

[sneakypete]

But, according to those on TOS, and even a few here, the Russians are the good guys, because, well, because they outlawed gay marriage.

@Kamaji

In MY  NSHO,Homo Marriage doesn't have a single damn  thing to do with  it.

The  plain facts are even though they talk a lot of Bush, they are afraid of being nuked by the Russians.

The "Better Red than Dead Crowd",even though not a single one of them will admit  it,and if push comes to shove,the  leadership of the Surrender Monkey Movement.

[Kamaji]

I was not aware a drone could carry that much payload.

These were sea-drones, not flying drones, so they could carry considerably more payload than the typical flying drone.  That being said, flying drones can carry large payloads as well now.

[sneakypete]

I would say "Credited". Novorossiysk is both a naval base and a supply port for occupied Crimea and Zaporizhia. It's a valid and important military target. Putin can end the whole bloody mess by GTFO of Ukraine, Crimea included.

@PeteS in CA

No,he can't,because doing  so would be admitting he made mistakes,and Maximum Leaders NEVER make mistakes because  if they do,they end up out of power and facing a death penalty for some offense like "leading the nation into the danger  of defeat".

I do NOT  know this to be a fact,but SUSPECT the Politburo has agents keeping a VERY  close watch over Pooty-Poots huge yacht,as well as his personal Soviet version of a 727.

He is now trapped in a hell of his own making. He either wins a war he can't win,or he becomes powerless and his only assets are any cash he can steal and deposit in foreign banks under false names before he tries to escape Russia.

In America,failed leaders are removed from office come election time,and retire on a pension. In Russia,failed leaders are backed against a wall and shot for endangering Communism by making it look weak.

[sneakypete]

Yup.  They seem to make this weird linkage between what Russia's policy on gay marriage  is, and what our is.  As if what Russia''s policies are will somehow change what he do here.

The two things have nothing to do with each other, but they argue that puts Russia on "our side".

Strange little people over at that place now.

@Maj.Bill Martin
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There is nothing strange about Surrender Monkeys. They are people who would rather be slaves than risk losing their lives to remain free.

The only thing strange about them is their reluctance to admit to being surrender monkeys. If you are too afraid to fight for your freedoms,admit it. We need to know so we know we can't count on you if push comes to shove,but other than that,speaking solely for myself,I don't give a damn. I would rather know I can't count on you in the future than to find out in the future that I can't count on you.

[sneakypete]

Because they see Ukraine as the tool of the EU, WEF, Klaus Schwab, and globalism.    

@Maj. Bill Martin

They have Ukraine confused with the 'murikan Dim Party and their RINO butt-brothers?

[sneakypete]

This is Putin's war.  He does not want the Ukrainan people to decide their own future.

Much like Hitler, Mussolini, and Napoleon III, Putin wants to restore a rump state to its previous imperial glory ... and many will die for a madman's aspirations.

@DefiantMassRINO

I SUSPECT his prime concern at the moment is trying to figure out a way to climb out of the hole he dug without getting executed by the Politburo.

Don't forget,he was a senior Intelligence officer in the Soviet Army,not an infantry officer. When it comes to actual warfare,he is like a child with plastic building blocks. It SEEMS that his ONLY chance of winning is to fire off a couple of tactical nukes,but he also knows that IF he does this (and IF he isn't immediately arrested by orders from the Politburo for issuing the orders),the USSR may well be/probably WILL be hit with nukes in return. There is no way in hell the western nations in northern Europe can just sit by and allow nukes to be detonated next door,and then not responding in kind.

I THINK (and HOPE) that IF he ever gives the orders to launch nukes that he will immediately  be arrested,but WTH REALLY knows what the dedicated Soviet "minds" think?