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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1075 on: July 23, 2023, 09:45:53 pm »
Demands! 9999hair out0000


DemandsZelensky Demands West Provide ‘Full Protective Shield’ of Anti-Aircraft Defence Systems

Ukrainian President Zelensky called for the West to provide “full protective shield” of air defence systems to stop “Russian missile terror”.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2023/07/23/zelensky-demands-west-supply-full-protective-shield-of-anti-aircraft-defence-systems/

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"CALLED FOR" is NOT "demanding".

It is asking.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1076 on: July 23, 2023, 09:48:55 pm »
Here is the text of what Zelensky Tweeted:

Please show me where in this Tweet Zelensky said "demand" or use any other imperative word! Why did Breitbart.com totally misrepresent what Zelensky said? Why did Breitbart.com have to be dishonest? Breitbart.com wanted to provoke anti-Zelensky response?

Why did Breitbart.com totally omit mention of, "Thanks to the help of our partners and the air defense systems provided to Ukraine ..."? It was "inconvenient" to Breitbart.com's narrative?

Why did I reflexively want to see what Zelensky actually said and expect what I in fact found? I'm certainly no genius!

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I think we all know  the reason for that.

MANY people read the headlines,and then skip the quotes. The idea is to convince people to stop supporting the defense of Ukraine from Neo-Soviet invasion.

SOMEBODY is in a position to lose a lot of money if Ukraine defeats the Soviets.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1077 on: July 23, 2023, 11:23:39 pm »
He shouldn't have been in a war zone, then.  Boo-hoo-hoo.  One fewer Russian orc propagandist in the world puts the world to the better.  Let's not continue to live under pretenses; he wasn't a journalist, he was an orcish propagandist.
Are the wounded German journalists "orcs," too? Just trying to understand.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1078 on: July 23, 2023, 11:23:57 pm »
Criminal Gangs Are Taking U.S. Shipments of Weapons Meant for Ukraine

Sarah Arnold
 |  July 23, 2023 12:15 PM

It turns out all of the millions of dollars worth of arms weapons the Biden Administration is sending to Ukraine to fight its ongoing war with Russia are ending up in the hands of criminal gangs.

The U.S. Defense Department’s inspector general report found a lack of accountability in maintaining the equipment it sends to Ukraine.

According to the 19-page report by the Pentagon’s Office of Inspector General through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), a group posing as humanitarian aid workers worked to obtain a hoard of U.S.-provided bulletproof vests.

“In late June 2022, the SBU disrupted a group of Ukrainian criminals posing as members of a humanitarian aid organization who distributed bulletproof vests,” the report read. “The group illicitly imported the vests and sold them rather than distributed them to Ukrainian forces. A group member was found with a cache of vests worth $17,000.”

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1079 on: July 23, 2023, 11:24:29 pm »
Are the wounded German journalists "orcs," too? Just trying to understand.

Nope, but they took an assumed risk as well.  War is hell. Tough shit.

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« Reply #1080 on: July 23, 2023, 11:30:22 pm »
Hey..I don't write the stories or the headlines...I just post them..
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1081 on: July 23, 2023, 11:35:02 pm »
I'm still against banning clusterbombs I know that.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1082 on: July 24, 2023, 02:45:08 am »
Here is the text of what Zelensky Tweeted:

Please show me where in this Tweet Zelensky said "demand" or use any other imperative word! Why did Breitbart.com totally misrepresent what Zelensky said? Why did Breitbart.com have to be dishonest? Breitbart.com wanted to provoke anti-Zelensky response?

Why did Breitbart.com totally omit mention of, "Thanks to the help of our partners and the air defense systems provided to Ukraine ..."? It was "inconvenient" to Breitbart.com's narrative?

Why did I reflexively want to see what Zelensky actually said and expect what I in fact found? I'm certainly no genius!

Very well said.   Very sad that this is what news has become.  And even sadder that most of the conservative ones aren't really any more reliable than the leftist ones.  They both misrepresent and exaggerate to get clicks from their respective target audiences.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1083 on: July 24, 2023, 02:56:25 am »
Zhovtneve airfield in Crimea

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« Reply #1084 on: July 24, 2023, 11:57:50 am »
Moscow, Crimea hit by drones while Russian forces bombard Ukraine’s south: Russian officials

By Associated Press
July 24, 2023

Russian authorities accused Ukraine of launching a drone attack on Moscow early Monday that saw one of the aircraft fall near the Defense Ministry’s main headquarters and striking Crimea, while the Russian military unleashed new strikes on port infrastructure in southern Ukraine.

Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin said there were no casualties when the drones struck two nonresidential buildings.

The Defense Ministry claimed that the military jammed both attacking drones, forcing them to crash.

Russian media reported that one of the drones fell on the Komsomolsky highway near Moscow’s center, shattering shop windows and damaged the roof of a house just about over 200 yards away from the towering riverside Defense Ministry building.

The ministry’s main headquarters has Pantsyr air defense systems placed on the roof.

It wasn’t immediately clear whether the drone targeted the Defense Ministry’s headquarters, which is located 1.7 miles away from the Kremlin, or was heading to some other target in central Moscow.

Another drone hit an office building in southern Moscow, gutting several upper floors — more visible damage compared to earlier drone strikes on the Russian capital.

Emergency workers were inspecting the damage and traffic was halted on sections of highways where the drones fell.

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/07/24/moscow-crimea-hit-by-drones-while-russian-forces-bombard-ukraines-south-russian-officials/

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1085 on: July 24, 2023, 05:52:17 pm »
Criminal Gangs Are Taking U.S. Shipments of Weapons Meant for Ukraine

Sarah Arnold
 |  July 23, 2023 12:15 PM

It turns out all of the millions of dollars worth of arms weapons the Biden Administration is sending to Ukraine to fight its ongoing war with Russia are ending up in the hands of criminal gangs.

"All?"

Sarah, I do not think that word means what you think it means.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1086 on: July 24, 2023, 05:52:46 pm »
"All?"

Sarah, I do not think that word means what you.think.it means.




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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1087 on: July 24, 2023, 05:54:24 pm »
I guess she also doesn't know the difference between "millions" and "billions" either.

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« Reply #1088 on: July 24, 2023, 09:40:11 pm »
"All?"

Sarah, I do not think that word means what you think it means.

As the Breitbart.com article's false claim about Zelensky's Tweet demonstrates, Ukraine-Haters have a thin and tenuous relationship with facts.


I guess she also doesn't know the difference between "millions" and "billions" either.

What's a few orders of magnitude among friends.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1089 on: July 25, 2023, 01:30:03 pm »
Zhovtneve airfield in Crimea



That's a beautiful sight right there... any Russian-controlled facility is now in or almost in range with the new longer-range Ukrainian weaponry.  Soon, the attacks on the Kerch Bridge will be a regularity.

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« Reply #1090 on: July 25, 2023, 04:40:48 pm »
The Russians have been using stand-off weapons fired from within Russia by planes based deep within Russia. This type of strike hits bases used by close air support planes and helicopters, damaging Russian CAS capability. The orcs-in-the-trenches will feel that.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1091 on: July 26, 2023, 02:16:50 am »
Romanian ship damaged during Russian attack on Ukrainian port

Ukrainska Pravda  •  7h


Romanian ship sustained minor damage during a Russian attack on the Ukrainian port of Reni on the River Danube on the night of 23-24 July.

Details: The Ministry said that representatives of the Consulate General in Odesa, which is temporarily operating in the Ministry’s central office, had investigated the incident with the Romanian ship in the port of Reni.

Early reports received by representatives of the Romanian Consulate from the Ukrainian authorities, the vessel sustained minor damage and continued its voyage.

The Romanian Foreign Ministry also said that no Romanian citizens were injured in the attacks against Ukrainian ports on the Danube.  .  .

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/romanian-ship-damaged-during-russian-attack-on-ukrainian-port/ar-AA1elt8E



Looks like Putin may be trying to start a war with NATO.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1092 on: July 26, 2023, 02:19:18 am »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1093 on: July 26, 2023, 09:41:40 am »

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1094 on: July 26, 2023, 01:56:04 pm »
(NSFW) Tank Crewmember Catches Fire

Yikes! 

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More footage from the 3rd Assault Brigade, which means that this occurred somewhere near Bakhmut. A lone Russian tank is struck by an unknown munition. Given that the tank is stationary when the strike occurs, I doubt that mines are the cause. Though no effects can be seen on the outside of the tank, there is clearly damage within, and the crew begins to bail out. The tank commander (TC) flees to the tree line but returns when he sees the driver climb out of the vehicle in flames and begin to run around in circles. A grotesque chase ensues as the TC attempts to wrestle his driver to the ground to extinguish the flames. Eventually the tank is shown brewing up as the fuel and ammunition ignite and consume the vehicle from within.


This is yet another example of the poor design of Russian and Soviet tanks. Not only is the tank a total loss, but in this case at least one crew member is killed or severely injured. Though we have seen footage of damaged Leopards, we see no indication of this type of catastrophic kill.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1095 on: July 26, 2023, 04:23:12 pm »
Romanian ship damaged during Russian attack on Ukrainian port

Ukrainska Pravda  •  7h


Romanian ship sustained minor damage during a Russian attack on the Ukrainian port of Reni on the River Danube on the night of 23-24 July.
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The Danube, at this point, is the border between Ukraine and Romania. One side of the river is Ukraine, and the other is Romania. The Russians definitely risked the missile (or whatever it was) being a few hundred yards (= less than half a mile) off-target and landing in Romanian territory.

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Re the tank story, what commonly happens is a mine disables a tank and crews know minefields are observed. They know to bail quickly, as a more potent munition will soon destroy the tank.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1096 on: July 26, 2023, 06:44:24 pm »
Any wagers on when it’ll be extended to the end of 2024?

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Right after  the next drone hits is,just before it is opened to traffic again.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1097 on: July 27, 2023, 01:01:39 am »
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« Reply #1099 on: July 27, 2023, 03:02:17 am »
New York Times writes that Ukraine has now started its main thrust of the counteroffensive, with thousands of Western-trained and Western-equipped reinforcements troops now thrown into battle

They had been held back until now, waiting for Russian lines to stretch.

Russia has no reserves left for any counterattacks.  Each unit must essentially remain in place, defending the territory on which they sit.  Ukraine should be engaging in encirclement moves to remove entire units from the field of battle, preventing their retreat into fallback fortifications.
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