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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1050 on: July 19, 2023, 12:17:49 am »
They are still selling a lot of oil. Also, if Ukraine can't export their grain countries that need the food will look to Russia.

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Thanks,I had forgotten about oil sales,and never even considered Ukrainian crop sales.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1051 on: July 19, 2023, 12:18:31 am »
Ukraine can move it through Romania and through the Black Sea under Romanian flagged ships.

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How does that work for them,economically?
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1052 on: July 19, 2023, 01:14:42 am »
@DB

How does that work for them,economically?

I don't know, but it would seem logical to do.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1053 on: July 19, 2023, 01:43:53 pm »
Russian ammunition depot explodes triggering 'apocalyptic' mushroom cloud after 'Ukrainian aerial strike' in Crimea

Fireballs and smoke clouds erupted in the eastern part of the Crimean peninsula
There were many dead at the military training ground, Ukrainian reports said

By WILL STEWART
19 July 2023

A major Russian ammunition depot has exploded triggering an 'apocalyptic' mushroom cloud after suspected Ukrainian strikes early today.

Huge fireballs and smoke clouds erupted at the site in the eastern part of the annexed Crimean peninsula. The incessant explosions could be heard from at least 13 miles away.

There were many dead and wounded at the military training ground epicentre of the explosions, reported Ukrainian channel Crimean Wind, but swiftly denied by Moscow-appointed head of Crimea Sergey Aksyonov.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12314311/Russian-ammunition-depot-explodes.html
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1054 on: July 19, 2023, 01:45:25 pm »
Putin calls up his Dad's Army: Russia mobilises 70-year-olds as country readies 100,000 men for new battle in Ukraine war

Read more: Kremlin blames Britain for orchestrating attack on Crimean bridge

By MILO POPE
18 July 2023

Russia has upped the maximum age for its soldiers by up to ten years as it readies another 100,000 men for a new battle in Ukraine.

Vladimir Putin is building a new force of soldiers to attack the area around Kupyansk in the northern sector of the frontline in Ukraine, military chiefs in Kyiv believe.

Under a recently approved law, reservists with the highest rank can be called back into service up to the age of 70, instead of the former age of 65.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12313183/Russia-mobilises-70-year-olds-readies-100-000-men-Ukraine-war.html

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« Reply #1055 on: July 19, 2023, 01:49:31 pm »
Putin has now lost 250,000 troops who have been killed, injured or gone missing since Russia invaded Ukraine, Ben Wallace claims

Ben Wallace revealed he will resign at the next Cabinet reshuffle after four years

By HARRIET LINE DEPUTY POLITICAL EDITOR
18 July 2023

A quarter of a million Russian troops have been killed, injured or are marked missing following Vladimir Putin's illegal invasion of Ukraine, Ben Wallace said yesterday.

The outgoing Defence Secretary was asked whether he believed the outcome of the war would see Moscow's forces leaving all Ukrainian territory, including Crimea.

He told the Tony Blair Institute's Future of Britain conference: 'I think it is winnable.

'I think Russia is much more fragile than the Russians want to admit, for sure.'

Mr Wallace, speaking as the two sides traded a series of drone blows in the wake of the bombing of the Kerch Bridge, added: 'If you look at the generals being fired, you look at Prigozhin – if anyone predicted last year that Prigozhin was going to march on Moscow, General Surovikin who is currently resting in Moscow at the moment – he's one of their most capable generals.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12312969/Russian-troops-killed-injured-marked-missing-reached-250-000-Defence-Secretary-Ben-Wallace-claims.html

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« Reply #1056 on: July 19, 2023, 03:28:48 pm »
Ukraine admits ‘complicated’ situation in east as Russia claims advances

By Snejana Farberov
July 18, 2023

Ukraine admitted that the fighting situation is the east was “complicated” Tuesday — as Russia claimed its forces had advanced more than a mile in the Kupiansk area where the enemy had amassed a force of 100,000 troops.

Comments from both sides have suggested that the fighting on the front lines was ferocious.

Gen. Oleksandr Syrskyi, commander of Ukrainian ground forces, said in an update that Moscow had concentrated forces in the direction of Kupiansk — a strategically important railway junction in the Kharkiv region — but that Ukrainian troops were holding them back.

“The situation is complicated but under control (in the east),” Syrskyi said on his Telegram channel.

Meanwhile, the Russian state-controlled TASS news agency quoted the Defense Ministry as saying its forces had moved forward by up to 1.2 miles in the direction of Kupiansk.

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/07/18/ukraine-admits-complicated-fighting-situation-as-russia-claims-advances/

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the very recent release of cluster munitions/DPICM rounds to Ukraine was motivated in part by observations of the Russians concentrating these forces over the last couple of weeks.

Would make a significant difference having those rounds available against a large scale attack.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1057 on: July 19, 2023, 07:07:22 pm »
Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin purportedly seen for first time since failed mutiny

By Isabel Keane
July 19, 2023

Wagner group leader Yevgeny Prigozhin was purportedly seen greeting his fighters in Belarus in his first public appearance since his mercenary group’s failed mutiny against Russia last month.

A video posted to Telegram Wednesday appears to show Prigozhin promising his fighters they would stay in Belarus for some time and avoid the front lines before calling the Russian Ministry of Defense’s military operations in Ukraine a “disgrace.”

“Welcome, guys! I am happy to greet you all. Welcome to the Belarusian land! We fought with dignity! We have done a lot for Russia,” a man resembling Prigozhin says in the dark and grainy video.

“What is happening at the front now is a disgrace in which we do not need to take part. We must wait for the moment when we can show our worth to the maximum. That’s why it was decided that we will be here in Belarus for some time,” he said.

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/07/19/wagners-prigozhin-seen-for-first-time-since-failed-mutiny/

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« Reply #1058 on: July 19, 2023, 08:09:17 pm »
Russia warns against any ships traveling to Ukraine from Thursday

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-warns-against-ships-traveling-172035363.html

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Russia warned that from Thursday any ships traveling to Ukraine's Black Sea ports will be seen as possibly carrying military cargoes after Ukraine said it was setting up a temporary shipping route to try and continue its grain exports.

The moves by both countries on Wednesday came just days after Russia quit a deal - brokered by the United Nations and Turkey - that allowed the safe Black Sea export of Ukraine grain for the past year, and revoked its guarantees of safe navigation.

Ukraine has made clear that it wants to try and continue its Black Sea grain shipments and told the U.N. shipping agency, the International Maritime Organization (IMO), that it had "decided to establish on a temporary basis a recommended maritime route."

But Russia's Defence Ministry then said it would deem all ships travelling to Ukraine to be potentially carrying military cargo and "the flag countries of such ships will be considered parties to the Ukrainian conflict".

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1059 on: July 19, 2023, 09:05:15 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1060 on: July 19, 2023, 09:10:42 pm »

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But Russia's Defence Ministry then said it would deem all ships travelling to Ukraine to be potentially carrying military cargo and "the flag countries of such ships will be considered parties to the Ukrainian conflict".


Yeah,THAT ought to work out well for them.

Can you say "International embargo on shipping ANYTHING to Russia?"
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1061 on: July 20, 2023, 09:08:15 pm »
Putin’s evil new weapon could win him the war

t is often said that “the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing”. That maxim is about to be put to the test in the Black Sea. Following Russia’s shock withdrawal this week from the deal brokered in July 2022 by the UN and Turkey guaranteeing safe passage for grain exports, sudden and deliberate Russian missile attacks on Ukraine’s southern coast have destroyed 60,000 tonnes of grain and damaged vital storage infrastructure.

This is a criminal act, threatening starvation in African countries and higher food prices around the world. Yet the West seems to be shrugging its shoulders, implying “there’s nothing we can do” without the danger of escalation. If we accept this, then we risk all the progress Western powers have made in undermining Putin.

For months, I have talked about the dangers of Moscow waging “unconventional warfare” – whether going nuclear via blowing up the Zaporizhzhia power plant, or attacking chemical facilities, or, indeed, food supplies. The eventual attention given to the nuclear threat arguably deterred Moscow on the first two risks for now, but on the latter Nato and the UN were complacent, assuming Russia would not withdraw from a deal giving them access to top-table discussions with world leaders. That neglect has now come at a heavy price.

If Putin is waging a vicious campaign to try to bring famine to Africa – one he can still try to blame on Western sanctions – it would mark yet another horrific war crime to add to the growing list.

More than 50 million people across Somalia, Kenya, Ethiopia and South Sudan are in need of food aid due to successive years of failed rains. Thousands, perhaps tens of thousands, could now die. Furthermore, it would probably trigger a massive migration crisis into Europe, destabilising the Continent and advancing calls for an end to the war via a negotiated settlement. We must assume this is Putin’s primary aim.

It would also drive a wedge between the alliance supporting Ukraine after the comparative unity of the Nato summit at Vilnius last week. We know some are less committed to a maximalist Ukrainian victory. The prospect of increased food prices as we enter two years of important elections, including in the UK, may lead some to break cover and try to work with Russia rather than isolate it. .............

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1062 on: July 22, 2023, 03:32:25 pm »
Looks like providing those cluster munitions to Ukraine is paying positive dividends already.


Pro-Putin Russian war reporter is killed by 'US-made cluster munitions' in occupied Ukraine, claims Kremlin

    Russia's defence ministry said three other journalists were wounded in the  strike
    Rostislav Zhuravlev worked for RIA, a staunchly pro-Putin state media outlet

By Will Stewart
22 July 2023

A prominent war correspondent from Russia's state propaganda media has been killed by a 'cluster munitions' strike in occupied Ukraine, Kremlin officials said.

Rostislav Zhuravlev, 34, a war correspondent for Russia's RIA news agency, died in shelling near the frontline in Ukraine's southeastern Zaporizhzhia region on Saturday.

Russia's defence ministry said three other journalists were also wounded in a Ukrainian artillery strike. They were evacuated from the battlefield but RIA correspondent Zhuravlev died during the journey, officials said.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12326809/Putin-war-reporter-killed-cluster-munitions-strike-Ukraine.html

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1063 on: July 22, 2023, 03:44:46 pm »
The Zaporizhzhia Oblast is along the front where Ukraine is advancing, slowly, toward the Melitopol-Berdyansk-Mariupol Black Sea shore. The closer the Ukrainians get to that shore, the more difficult and perilous keeping the Crimean Peninsula and northern Black Sea shore becomes.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1064 on: July 22, 2023, 07:40:22 pm »
US says Ukraine’s use of cluster bombs against Russia ‘effective’

White House national security spokesman says controversial US-provided bombs used against Russian military positions.

21 Jul 2023

Controversial cluster munitions supplied by the United States are being used “effectively” by Ukrainian forces in their counteroffensive against Russia’s invasion, a senior Washington defence official said.

“We have gotten some initial feedback from the Ukrainians, and they’re using them quite effectively,” White House national security spokesman John Kirby told reporters on Thursday.

“They are using them appropriately, they are using them effectively,” Kirby said, adding that additional details could be obtained from Ukraine.

Kirby also said the US-provided cluster bombs – which are banned by more than 120 countries – were having an impact on Russian defensive formations and the manoeuvring of Russia’s forces.

Citing an anonymous Ukrainian source, the Washington Post newspaper reported on Thursday that Kyiv’s forces are using cluster munitions against “well-fortified Russian positions that have slowed Ukraine’s summer offensive”.

According to the Washington Post, Russian front line positions in the east and south of Ukraine, which have successfully slowed Ukraine’s counteroffensive, have been “densely mined with antitank and antipersonnel mines and trip wires in areas” between 4.8km and 16km deep (three to 10 miles).

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Source:  https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/7/21/us-says-ukraines-use-of-cluster-bombs-against-russia-effective

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1065 on: July 22, 2023, 10:04:12 pm »
Russia closes prized bridge after Ukraine drone strike on ammo depot in Crimea: authorities

By Matthew Sedacca   
July 22, 2023

Russian President Vladimir Putin’s prized bridge — the Kerch Strait Bridge connecting Russia and the Crimean Peninsula — was forced to shut down Saturday following a Ukrainian drone strike on a nearby ammunition depot, Russian-backed authorities said. 

Ukraine said that its army had destroyed an oil depot along with Russian military warehouses in Russian-occupied Crimea with the strike.

Video on social media showed a plume of thick black smoke rising from the site of the attack.

Sergei Aksyonov, the Moscow-installed governor of the peninsula, confirmed a drone hit the ammunition depot, which prompted an evacuation order for everyone within a roughly 3-mile radius, along with suspending traffic and rail services on the Kerch bridge “to minimize risk.” 

There were no immediate reports of casualties.

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/07/22/russia-closes-prized-bridge-after-ukraine-drone-strike-on-ammo-depot-in-crimea-authorities/

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1066 on: July 22, 2023, 10:48:57 pm »
US says Ukraine’s use of cluster bombs against Russia ‘effective’
Proven effective and appropriate against journalists, apparently - and Russia takes exception.
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July 22, 202312:11 PM EDT Updated 7 hours ago

July 22 (Reuters) - A Russian war reporter was killed and three were wounded in Ukraine on Saturday in what the defence ministry said was a Ukrainian attack using cluster munitions, prompting outrage from Moscow.

In a separate incident, German broadcaster Deutsche Welle said one of its journalists, Yevgeny Shilko, had been wounded elsewhere in Ukraine in a Russian attack with cluster munitions that killed a Ukrainian soldier. It said his life was not in danger....
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« Reply #1067 on: July 22, 2023, 11:41:21 pm »
Proven effective and appropriate against journalists, apparently - and Russia takes exception.

He shouldn't have been in a war zone, then.  Boo-hoo-hoo.  One fewer Russian orc propagandist in the world puts the world to the better.  Let's not continue to live under pretenses; he wasn't a journalist, he was an orcish propagandist.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1068 on: July 23, 2023, 01:41:40 am »
Regarding cluster munitions, here's a flashback to last summer.  Keep in mind that Russia used cluster bombs against civilians:
  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,468874.msg2656900.html#msg2656900


Evidence shows widespread use of cluster munitions in Kharkiv

Joel Gunter - Kharkiv  |  1 day ago



Distinctive marks from a cluster munition in the roof of a car next to a playground in Kharkiv (Joel Gunter/BBC)

Russia has killed hundreds of civilians in the north-eastern Ukrainian city of Kharkiv using indiscriminate shelling and widely-banned cluster munitions, according to new research by Amnesty International.

Amnesty said it had found evidence of Russian forces repeatedly using 9N210/9N235 cluster bombs, as well as "scatterable" munitions - rockets that eject smaller mines that explode later at timed intervals.

The BBC visited five separate impact sites in residential neighbourhoods in Kharkiv and saw evidence of a distinctive, symmetrical spalling effect associated with cluster munitions. We showed images from the sites to three weapons experts, who all said the impacts were consistent with the controversial weapons.

"Those impacts are from cluster munitions, it's a classic signature," said Mark Hizney, a senior researcher in the arms division of Human Rights Watch, a campaign group. "And in one image you can see a remnant of a stabiliser fin from one of the submunitions," he said.

CCTV footage passed to the BBC by a resident at one of the sites showed successive clustered detonations - "a very strong indicator of submunitions from a cluster weapon  .  .  .

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1069 on: July 23, 2023, 01:42:59 am »
Regarding cluster munitions, here's a flashback to last summer.  Keep in mind that Russia used cluster bombs against civilians:
  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,468874.msg2656900.html#msg2656900


Evidence shows widespread use of cluster munitions in Kharkiv

Joel Gunter - Kharkiv  |  1 day ago



Distinctive marks from a cluster munition in the roof of a car next to a playground in Kharkiv (Joel Gunter/BBC)

Russia has killed hundreds of civilians in the north-eastern Ukrainian city of Kharkiv using indiscriminate shelling and widely-banned cluster munitions, according to new research by Amnesty International.

Amnesty said it had found evidence of Russian forces repeatedly using 9N210/9N235 cluster bombs, as well as "scatterable" munitions - rockets that eject smaller mines that explode later at timed intervals.

The BBC visited five separate impact sites in residential neighbourhoods in Kharkiv and saw evidence of a distinctive, symmetrical spalling effect associated with cluster munitions. We showed images from the sites to three weapons experts, who all said the impacts were consistent with the controversial weapons.

"Those impacts are from cluster munitions, it's a classic signature," said Mark Hizney, a senior researcher in the arms division of Human Rights Watch, a campaign group. "And in one image you can see a remnant of a stabiliser fin from one of the submunitions," he said.

CCTV footage passed to the BBC by a resident at one of the sites showed successive clustered detonations - "a very strong indicator of submunitions from a cluster weapon  .  .  .

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61778433



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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1070 on: July 23, 2023, 01:57:51 am »
It's no surprise the Russians do bad things. Their commie president was KGB, after all. The ends always justify the means.
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« Reply #1071 on: July 23, 2023, 02:54:38 am »
He shouldn't have been in a war zone, then.  Boo-hoo-hoo.  One fewer Russian orc propagandist in the world puts the world to the better.  Let's not continue to live under pretenses; he wasn't a journalist, he was an orcish propagandist.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1072 on: July 23, 2023, 09:18:10 pm »
Ukraine has reclaimed more than half of territory seized by Russia: US

By Ryan King   
July 23, 2023

Ukraine has retaken more than half of the territory Russia captured during its initial invasion, US Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Sunday.

But Blinken warned that despite Ukraine’s string of successes in repelling its Russian invaders, the country still has a “very hard fight” ahead of it.

“It’s already taken back about 50% of what was initially seized. Now they’re in a very hard fight to take back more,” Blinken stressed during an interview with CNN’s Fareed Zakaria.

“These are still relatively early days in the counteroffensive. It is tough, the Russians put in place strong defenses,” the top diplomat said.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on Sunday pinned blame for the country’s delay in mounting its counteroffensive on a lack of munitions supplies.

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/07/23/ukraine-has-reclaimed-more-than-half-of-territory-seized-by-russia-us/

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1073 on: July 23, 2023, 09:24:20 pm »
Demands! 9999hair out0000


DemandsZelensky Demands West Provide ‘Full Protective Shield’ of Anti-Aircraft Defence Systems

Ukrainian President Zelensky called for the West to provide “full protective shield” of air defence systems to stop “Russian missile terror”.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1074 on: July 23, 2023, 09:44:08 pm »
Here is the text of what Zelensky Tweeted:

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Ukraine needs a full-fledged sky shield – this is the only way to defeat Russian missile terror. We have already shown that we can shoot down even the Russian missiles that the terrorists boasted about. Thanks to the help of our partners and the air defense systems provided to Ukraine, our defenders of the sky have saved thousands of lives. But we need more air defense systems for our entire territory, for all our cities and communities. The world must not get used to Russian terror – terror must be defeated. And it is possible!

Please show me where in this Tweet Zelensky said "demand" or use any other imperative word! Why did Breitbart.com totally misrepresent what Zelensky said? Why did Breitbart.com have to be dishonest? Breitbart.com wanted to provoke anti-Zelensky response?

Why did Breitbart.com totally omit mention of, "Thanks to the help of our partners and the air defense systems provided to Ukraine ..."? It was "inconvenient" to Breitbart.com's narrative?

Why did I reflexively want to see what Zelensky actually said and expect what I in fact found? I'm certainly no genius!
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