Ukraine 4

[DB]

The coming purges may tighten Putin's grip but as a whole it can only further weaken Russia with the underlying current of distrust.

[PeteS in CA]

What has who gotten for our 40 billion?  Anybody know?

The Russians:

[kevindavis007]

The Russians:

Without one drop of American blood being shed.  Just as long they don't ask that our troops fight for Ukaine (that is where I draw the line), we should just keep on doing what we are doing. Keep on slow bleeding Russia of their blood and treasure.

[kevindavis007]

from r/UkraineWarVideoReport

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/14m4lef/russians_is_retreating_from_the_northern_streets/

[sneakypete]

Without one drop of American blood being shed.  Just as long they don't ask that our troops fight for Ukaine (that is where I draw the line), we should just keep on doing what we are doing. Keep on slow bleeding Russia of their blood and treasure.

@kevindavis007

And THERE it is!

The money we are spending to try to gain world peace,and in case any of you haven't noticed,the US is a part of the world,is money well spent.

If other nations are fighting against Communist domination and ALL we have to do to support them is give them money that would otherwise be stolen and used by our own politicians to keep their seats while supporting globalism,it is money well spent.

After all,if we spend money the 'murikan left  WAS going to spent on providing a retirement life style for free to any foreigner that wants it and all they have to do is vote left,it's not just a "win for America",it's a win-win!"

[kevindavis007]

So  Putin is being like Biden:

https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1674416655278174209

[PeteS in CA]

Without one drop of American blood being shed.  Just as long they don't ask that our troops fight for Ukaine (that is where I draw the line), we should just keep on doing what we are doing. Keep on slow bleeding Russia of their blood and treasure.

Repeating what I posted above:

Some people want to believe that Ukraine is the most corrupt nation on Earth *, but US' and EuroLanders' aid to Ukraine has been used to stymie Putin's invasion and push back his orcs, with substantial losses in men (especially Russia's best and most experienced; Putin isn't resorting to Wagner and Chechen mercenaries to be "inclusive"), tanks and other vehicles, and aircraft.

* Ukraine doesn't even make the Worst 20 or 50, https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/most-corrupt-countries , but people who believe the slander are probably not inclined to let facts mess with their belief.

[Timber Rattler]

So  Putin is being like Biden:

https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1674416655278174209

At the risk of putting on a tin foil hat, I think that is one of Putin's body doubles.  There's something off about him...looks younger, fewer wrinkles, way more energetic than usual, and he's in DAGESTAN---in the CAUCASUS! 

Why would Putin go to Dagestan, of all places in Russia, for support?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagestan

https://goo.gl/maps/4GN37mqzhnfkd2538

[DB]

War ultimately comes down to economic power. Russia's GDP is about 5% of the wests. If Russia spends half its productivity on the war effort - which will economically destroy them - the west only needs to spend a small fraction of theirs to get that job done.

[Smokin Joe]

@kevindavis007

And THERE it is!

The money we are spending to try to gain world peace,and in case any of you haven't noticed,the US is a part of the world,is money well spent.

If other nations are fighting against Communist domination and ALL we have to do to support them is give them money that would otherwise be stolen and used by our own politicians to keep their seats while supporting globalism,it is money well spent.

After all,if we spend money the 'murikan left  WAS going to spent on providing a retirement life style for free to any foreigner that wants it and all they have to do is vote left,it's not just a "win for America",it's a win-win!"

Send the illegals over to fight if the Ukrainians run short. After all, they're mostly young fit men of military age.

[Hoodat]

Top Russian generals Gerasimov and Surovikin are reportedly missing following Wagner mutiny

Chris Pandolfo • 4h ago

Two of Russia's senior commanders have reportedly disappeared from public view after the Wagner Group's aborted mutiny, which targeted Russian military leadership.

One general was reportedly arrested in the days since Yevgeny Prigozhin called off his short-lived rebellion and relocated his forces to Belarus. Prigozhin's "march for justice" on Moscow was seen as the most significant challenge to Russian President Vladimir Putin's regime in decades, and Putin now seeks to reassert his authority.

The other commander, Armed Forces Chief of Staff General Valery Gerasimov, has not appeared in public or on state TV since the aborted mutiny on Saturday, when Prigozhin demanded Gerasimov be handed over. Nor has he been mentioned in a defense ministry press release since June 9, Reuters reported.

Gerasimov, 67, is the commander of Russia's invasion force in Ukraine and one of three Russian commanders who hold "nuclear briefcases," according to some Western military analysts.  .  .

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/purge-top-russian-generals-gerasimov-and-surovikin-are-reportedly-missing-following-wagner-mutiny/ar-AA1dcDM8


There was a report a few days ago that Prigozhin had captured Gerasimov in Rostov before heading north.  He is definitely 'missing' since the Russians haven't posted old videos of him to show he is alive like they did with Shoigu.  If Gerasimov is dead, then there is a very large bank account somewhere that will go unclaimed.

[DB]

Gerasimov's head may have been part of the deal with Prigozhin to retreat.

[240B]

[berdie]

At the risk of putting on a tin foil hat, I think that is one of Putin's body doubles.  There's something off about him...looks younger, fewer wrinkles, way more energetic than usual, and he's in DAGESTAN---in the CAUCASUS! 

Why would Putin go to Dagestan, of all places in Russia, for support?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagestan

https://goo.gl/maps/4GN37mqzhnfkd2538

Definite possibility. I saw a picture of who they said was him last week. His face was very puffy.

[sneakypete]

Send the illegals over to fight if the Ukrainians run short. After all, they're mostly young fit men of military age.

@Smokin Joe

AND....,they are experienced at sneaking across borders undetected!

[sneakypete]

Top Russian generals Gerasimov and Surovikin are reportedly missing following Wagner mutiny

Chris Pandolfo • 4h ago

 
 
 

There was a report a few days ago that Prigozhin had captured Gerasimov in Rostov before heading north.  He is definitely 'missing' since the Russians haven't posted old videos of him to show he is alive like they did with Shoigu. If Gerasimov is dead, then there is a very large bank account somewhere that will go unclaimed.

@Hoodat

Do the Bidens know about that?

[sneakypete]

Definite possibility. I saw a picture of who they said was him last week. His face was very puffy.

@berdie

Well,he DOES drink a lot of vodka,and eat a lot of caviar.

[kevindavis007]

I hope the rumors about the Russians blowing up the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant is just a rumor.

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1674708202095517696

[kevindavis007]

An entire artillery group just deleted. For all the crap Russia talks, they DO NOT want to go to war with the U.S./NATO.

from r/UkraineWarVideoReport

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/14mrzkb/ukrainian_himars_taking_out_russian_artillery/

[Kamaji]

Wagner troops shot down a Russian 'special mission' plane in failed mutiny that will damage Putin's war efforts in Ukraine, UK says, as Kyiv claims the FSB has been ordered to ASSASSINATE Prigozhin

Footage appeared to show the enflamed aircraft plummeting to the ground
Ilyushin Il-22M is a 'special mission aircraft' that played a 'key role' for Russia

By CHRISTIAN OLIVER
30 June 2023

A Russian plane reportedly shot down by Wagner forces during the short-lived insurgency over the weekend was a 'special mission aircraft' that played a 'key role' in the Ukraine conflict, the British Ministry of Defence has said.

Amid their march on Moscow, the air defence forces of the Wagner group are understood to have shot down an Ilyushin Il-22M aircraft said to be 'heavily utilised for both airborne command and control, and radio relay tasks' by Russia's military, the MoD said.

Footage appeared to show the enflamed aircraft - only one of 12 planes - plummeting to the ground over Voronezh.

*  *  *

Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12250789/Wagner-troops-shot-Russian-special-mission-plane-failed-mutiny.html

[kevindavis007]

The future of the Russia - China Alliance
https://twishort.com/cbuoc

[kevindavis007]

Wagner troops shot down a Russian 'special mission' plane in failed mutiny that will damage Putin's war efforts in Ukraine, UK says, as Kyiv claims the FSB has been ordered to ASSASSINATE Prigozhin

Footage appeared to show the enflamed aircraft plummeting to the ground
Ilyushin Il-22M is a 'special mission aircraft' that played a 'key role' for Russia

By CHRISTIAN OLIVER
30 June 2023

A Russian plane reportedly shot down by Wagner forces during the short-lived insurgency over the weekend was a 'special mission aircraft' that played a 'key role' in the Ukraine conflict, the British Ministry of Defence has said.

Amid their march on Moscow, the air defence forces of the Wagner group are understood to have shot down an Ilyushin Il-22M aircraft said to be 'heavily utilised for both airborne command and control, and radio relay tasks' by Russia's military, the MoD said.

Footage appeared to show the enflamed aircraft - only one of 12 planes - plummeting to the ground over Voronezh.

*  *  *

Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12250789/Wagner-troops-shot-Russian-special-mission-plane-failed-mutiny.html

With the problems that Russia is having, I wonder how good is China's military really. My money is that they are the same if not worse than the Russian military. 

[sneakypete]

The future of the Russia - China Alliance
https://twishort.com/cbuoc

@kevindavis007

They are going to have no choice but to cut the Chinese in on their eastern border riches if they  hope to remain communist. If they don't get an influx if of fresh troops and equipment,they could very well be facing "Russian Revolution,Part 2",and China is the only place left to get them,and they ain't going to be "free".

In effect,China will be pimping out Russia,to include dumping a few million Chinese families in Russia to live and work,with the proceeds going back to  China.

Win/win for the Chinese,and  a slow death for the remaining Russians as the Chinese gradually take over the whole country.

This ain't rocket science. The  Russians have a huge nation with many riches,but they don't have a population that is high enough for them to exploit it. The Chinese have these people in excess.

I guess this will really depend on if Putin and the Politburo Boys would rather give up  on Communism in order to allow western nations to provide new industry,capital,and workers into Russia,which WOULD result in the ones in power now being voted out of office,or would they rather be servants to their fellow Communists in China,posing as Masters?

[sneakypete]

With the problems that Russia is having, I wonder how good is China's military really. My money is that they are the same if not worse than the Russian military.

@kevindavis007

They WERE worse maybe 20 years ago,but  they have been sending HUGE numbers of young Red Chinese military officers to the west to engineering and other technical schools learn how to build things properly,and to steal text books and blueprints to send back to China.

They have also been buying up US land as well as US corporations,and boxing up the manufacturing assets of the corporations and sending them,including the freaking buildings,back to China to reassemble.

They even hire the factory supervisors to come to China on multi-year contracts with ALL living expenses paid and hefty paychecks,to show them how to put  the plants back together and how to get them "rolling out products".

It SEEMS as if the Chinese Masters are moving towards a more socialist empire than the slave state of old,but time will tell,and ANYBODY that trusts the freaking Chinese is a fool.

Sure would be interesting to find out what the Chinese expat newspapers here in the west have to say about all this. AFAIK,the only  ones that exist are in Ca.

[DefiantMassRINO]

Warfare is an exercise in economic destruction for the invaded, but an exercise in economic depletion for the invader.