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Weird Tolkienish Figure:
Gee wish I could feel sorry for them.
sneakypete:
Just out of curiousity,have any of the serious "talking heads" started discussing what changes MIGHT take place in Russia if they actually lose this war,and the people revolt and throw the Communist leadership up against a wall and executes them?
I can see a "new Russia" wanting to join NATO and become a part of the west,but am not so certain that anyone will trust them that far after all these years of Soviet rule and threats.
Still,SOMETHING will have to be done to prevent the Chinese from moving in and taking over. After all,they now have all that cash coming in from manufacturing goods for the American markets to spend,and they DEARLY want the gold,oil,coal,and other assets that lay untouched in Siberia.
Any predictions on what might happen?
BTW,am I the only one worried about an emerging China using western money and connections to destroy America and other western nations?
Cyber Liberty:
--- Quote from: sneakypete on May 13, 2023, 11:06:24 pm ---Just out of curiousity,have any of the serious "talking heads" started discussing what changes MIGHT take place in Russia if they actually lose this war,and the people revolt and throw the Communist leadership up against a wall and executes them?
I can see a "new Russia" wanting to join NATO and become a part of the west,but am not so certain that anyone will trust them that far after all these years of Soviet rule and threats.
Still,SOMETHING will have to be done to prevent the Chinese from moving in and taking over. After all,they now have all that cash coming in from manufacturing goods for the American markets to spend,and they DEARLY want the gold,oil,coal,and other assets that lay untouched in Siberia.
Any predictions on what might happen?
BTW,am I the only one worried about an emerging China using western money and connections to destroy America and other western nations?
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Probably the same as the early 90's. The oligarchs will quietly resume control and find another Putin to keep the mobs under control. The people will be thrilled with the comparative safety and take it.
sneakypete:
--- Quote from: Cyber Liberty on May 14, 2023, 12:00:15 am ---Probably the same as the early 90's. The oligarchs will quietly resume control and find another Putin to keep the mobs under control. The people will be thrilled with the comparative safety and take it.
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@Cyber Liberty
I could easily be wrong because my memory now sucks,but I SEEM to remember Yeltsin as a genuine reformer that did a LOT to open Russia and free the people from their chains.
Unfortunately,the "Soviet System" took over again with a stealth candidate named Putin,who took over as a reformer,but was and is nothing but a dedicated Communist who has for all practical purposes taken over the electoral system to the point the old Soviets might as well be in power again.
I am HOPING that Putin has now over-reached to the point where he has killed Communism in Russia,and come the next election that a rabid dog could beat him. I think even the dedicated Soviets have had enough by now to want to get rid of him. After all,he spoiled THEIR lives much more than the lives of the typical neo-Soviet citizen,who never had much to start with. Putin and his actions have actually threatened their very survival.
I think this is especially true if they have to tuck their tails beneath their bellies and flee back to Russia from Ukraine in defeat. There just ain't going to be any way to "manage" THAT to make the Neo-Soviets look good.
Maj. Bill Martin:
--- Quote from: sneakypete on May 13, 2023, 11:06:24 pm ---Just out of curiousity,have any of the serious "talking heads" started discussing what changes MIGHT take place in Russia if they actually lose this war,and the people revolt and throw the Communist leadership up against a wall and executes them?
I can see a "new Russia" wanting to join NATO and become a part of the west,but am not so certain that anyone will trust them that far after all these years of Soviet rule and threats.
Still,SOMETHING will have to be done to prevent the Chinese from moving in and taking over. After all,they now have all that cash coming in from manufacturing goods for the American markets to spend,and they DEARLY want the gold,oil,coal,and other assets that lay untouched in Siberia.
Any predictions on what might happen?
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My prediction is that the above bolded will not happen because if you launch an invasion of the home territory of a nuclear power like Russia, you risk....
--- Quote ---BTW,am I the only one worried about an emerging China using western money and connections to destroy America and other western nations?
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Nope. That's one reason I don't think we can let the junior partner in the China/Russia partnership win in Ukraine. We have to show the rest of the world that we're willing to stand against aggression. If we don't, we'll lose too much influence, and other nations will be easily bullied by the Chinese and Russians.
The surest way to guarantee Chinese success is for us to retreat into isolationism. That doesn't mean we should start committing U.S. troops, but surely providing weapons to those who are willing to commit their own troops is doable.
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