VERDICT returned in E. Jean Carroll defamation case v. Donald Trump

[roamer_1]

Yes, like I said -- there needs to be some kind of proof and that means that others need to come forward and testify what they saw or heard personally -- not just hearsay.  Then it still boils down to his word against theirs unless there are recordings.

That's right. Actionable proof. Recordings... bastard kids... Shoot, even a hotel room. SOMETHING.

And even at that, how does one defend against a charge made YEARS past? That's the thing that is nonsense. Do you know for a sustainable fact where you were 30 years ago? What EXACTLY you did on any given day? What witnesses could you call forward? What receipts to show your whereabouts?

Everything is so far down the memory hole that without the Blue Dress, NONE of it could be proven. And there ain't a Blue Dress, or they'd have used it long before now.

It's gonna be bullshit.

[Kamaji]

Yeah, yeah... Roy Moore all over again. Again. These ***holes have called wolf so many times I don't even sit up in my chair anymore...

I don't like Tumpy... And I wouldn't put it past him... But you can't put such a slander on anybody without some sort of actionable proof.This he said/she said #metoo crap makes for lousy law.

That's why I emphasized "if true".  At this point, Trump should be suing the speaker for defamation/libel, to force her to divulge the name of this supposed staffer.

If he doesn't however, then that may be a tacit omission that there is more than just smoke and mirrors there.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

This is pretty damaging considering it happened while Trump was president -- proof though is needed or others coming forward.

This isn't the same lady who claimed that Trump wanted to take his limo to the January 6th with the Secret Service or whatever is it? Because that will change my opinion on this.

Edit: No, that was Cassidy Hutchinson.

[roamer_1]

That's why I emphasized "if true".  At this point, Trump should be suing the speaker for defamation/libel, to force her to divulge the name of this supposed staffer.

If he doesn't however, then that may be a tacit omission that there is more than just smoke and mirrors there.

I realize your emphasis, and that is why I countered: I don't believe a damn word of it without real proof.

And I don't think proof is there... If they had a pot to piss in they'd have thrown it at him long before now.

[libertybele]

I realize your emphasis, and that is why I countered: I don't believe a damn word of it without real proof.

And I don't think proof is there... If they had a pot to piss in they'd have thrown it at him long before now.

Certainly you would think that they would have gone after Trump while he was campaigning the first time around.

Why now??? Other than the DEMS are pulling out all the stops to try and prevent him from running again.

[Kamaji]

Certainly you would think that they would have gone after Trump while he was campaigning the first time around.

Why now??? Other than the DEMS are pulling out all the stops to try and prevent him from running again.

They’re not trying to stop him from running.  They want him to run; they want him to suck all the oxygen out of the GOP nomination process again and make lots of new enemies.  They also want him damaged in the eyes of the uncommitted voters, so that he is almost certain to lose. 

Basically, they are using him against himself to turn him into an albatross around the GOP’s neck.

[roamer_1]

Certainly you would think that they would have gone after Trump while he was campaigning the first time around.

Why now??? Other than the DEMS are pulling out all the stops to try and prevent him from running again.

That's exactly right... And their problem is that they have made him bulletproof.The only thing they have left is to pull the old Tom Delay (or Roy Moore) trick and keep him tied up in court till he can't move forward campaigning.

Mark my words: He will beat the charges, just like Delay did (and Moore did). The trick would be to get elected president in the mean time. And that's a tough row to hoe.

[roamer_1]

They’re not trying to stop him from running.  They want him to run; they want him to suck all the oxygen out of the GOP nomination process again and make lots of new enemies.  They also want him damaged in the eyes of the uncommitted voters, so that he is almost certain to lose. 

Basically, they are using him against himself to turn him into an albatross around the GOP’s neck.

That could be right... But a heady gamble with a DeSantis waiting in the wings...

[BellyAche]

Basically, they are using him against himself to turn him into an albatross around the GOP’s neck.

Indeed, they're waiting for Trump to hang himself. He has a remarkable ability to "shoot himself in the foot"! (I feel very sorry for his campaign people.) His thoughtless comments can easily catch up with him. But I know that true followers like Trump for the bellicosity. As always, time will tell if he has traction with enough voters.