Kari Lake to DeSantis: Stay in Florida, man, for 2024 presidential race

[ScottinVA]

Yawnnnnn… Thank you for your input, Kari.

He’s 2-0 in governor races; you’re winless.  How about you build a little street cred with a victory or two and then get back to us?

[ScottinVA]

Trump himself doesn't want that, forget about whomever the tptb is.

And, to be perfectly honest, DeSantis would be nuts at this point to tie his political career to Trump; best way to become a has-been who will never be.

I completely agree.  DeSantis would be far better off remaining in the governorship of Florida than to connect himself to Trump in any way.  Trump is not ever going to serve as President ever again and for DeSantis to hitch his political future to that train wreck would be political suicide.

[Right_in_Virginia]

He is a Trojan horse, RiV... and you're playing right along with his destruction of the only viable opposition the Democrats might have.

Prove what you mean by this @jmyrlefuller 

[libertybele]

Maybe Kari is going along with Trump hoping to be his VP.  I've listened to one of her speeches; she does bring on some energy.  I don't know enough about her to make an honest assessment other than she shouldn't be telling the governor of FL what to do.

[Kamaji]

Maybe Kari is going along with Trump hoping to be his VP.  I've listened to one of her speeches; she does bring on some energy.  I don't know enough about her to make an honest assessment other than she shouldn't be telling the governor of FL what to do.

[sneakypete]

And apparently from many of his supporters as well, who seem to think DeSantis would be great in 2028, but would prefer Joe Biden to DeSantis in 2024.

I'd have less of an issue with Trump supporters who honestly believe DeSantis's policies are bad the country, and he'd be as bad or worse than Biden.  I'd disagree with them, but at least that's a valid reason not to vote for the guy.

But the "he'd be great in 2028 or as Trump's 2024 VP, but I won't vote at all if it is him v. Biden" crowd is just wrong.  It's elevating personal.loyalty to a single man over what you know to be better for the country.

That's just a freaking cult.

@Maj. Bill Martin

I disagree. It is giving a backstabbing bastard the treatment he deserves.

Like it or not,but we either elect a bomb-thrower named Trump as president,or America is over. This is PROBABLY our last chance to save America as a free and independent nation.

[sneakypete]

I don't think we have any worries as for a Trump second term, the leftists will make sure of it.

@libertybele

And most of them will have a Big Red "R" behind their names because Trump would upset the established position they have with left to share the graft and the police state power.

[LMAO]

@Maj. Bill Martin

I disagree. It is giving a backstabbing bastard the treatment he deserves.

Like it or not,but we either elect a bomb-thrower named Trump as president,or America is over. This is PROBABLY our last chance to save America as a free and independent nation.

So it’s just throwing bombs that’ll make us a free and independent nation, huh?

I mean, forget about reducing the size of the federal government or anything like that.

[libertybele]

@Maj. Bill Martin

I disagree. It is giving a backstabbing bastard the treatment he deserves.

Like it or not,but we either elect a bomb-thrower named Trump as president,or America is over. This is PROBABLY our last chance to save America as a free and independent nation.

@sneakypete once again you are way off base.  DeSantis never stabbed Trump in the back. I think this has been discussed before here in the forum and it's been proven that DeSantis never stabbed Trump in the back.

BTW -- How has this forum become mostly a Trump v. DeSantis forum when DeSantis hasn't even announced he's running?  I'm probably guilty as well for fueling the flames .... but my contributions were mostly objecting to Trump stomping on DeSantis; a truly good conservative governor.  Conservatism either wins in '24 or this Republic completely dies.

[LMAO]

If someone is of the opinion that RDS is stabbing Trump in the back if he decides to run, well, then they don’t have to vote for him.

It’s as simple as that

[libertybele]

@libertybele

And most of them will have a Big Red "R" behind their names because Trump would upset the established position they have with left to share the graft and the police state power.

@sneakypete I will only vote for conservatives. Just because they have an 'R' next to their name makes no difference.  Right now I can only think of a select few that I would consider voting for and I'm not even sure they'll be on the ballot in '24.

[sneakypete]

So it’s just throwing bombs that’ll make us a free and independent nation, huh?

I mean, forget about reducing the size of the federal government or anything like that.

@LMAO

Yeah,causen Congrees will allow that to happen with DeSantis in the WH,right?

[Kamaji]

@Maj. Bill Martin

I disagree. It is giving a backstabbing bastard the treatment he deserves.

Like it or not,but we either elect a bomb-thrower named Trump as president,or America is over. This is PROBABLY our last chance to save America as a free and independent nation.

@sneakypete

You keep using that term "backstabbing" but it's become painfully obvious that you don't know what it means.  The only person doing any backstabbing here politically, is Trump.

As far as electing Trump as a "bomb-thrower" - only if we want more friendly fire injuries than enemy injuries.  Trump may throw a bomb from time to time, but he is singularly incapable of doing anything constructive with the resulting mess, and typically causes as much, if not more, damage to our side than he does to liberals.

And now he's gone back to his liberal roots and started talking liberal smack about social security and socialist "freedom cities".

What an epic disaster he is going to be, whether he gets the nomination or not, and whether he gets the presidency or not.

[LMAO]

@LMAO

Yeah,causen Congrees will allow that to happen with DeSantis in the WH,right?

I only responded to your claim that we need a President that just throws bombs around in order to be a free nation

I never brought up RDS.

[roamer_1]

Like it or not,but we either elect a bomb-thrower named Trump as president,or America is over. This is PROBABLY our last chance to save America as a free and independent nation.

It will be over by your hand then. Because if throwing bombs is your only criteria, you have lost good sense and have entered blood lust.

[roamer_1]

@LMAO

Yeah,causen Congrees will allow that to happen with DeSantis in the WH,right?

Far more chance of it with DeSantis than with Tumpy who will 'throw bombs' and piss absolutely everyone off - Including those he would need on his side to pass anything.

Mark my words: Tumpy is 4 more years of governing by EO... and another four years wasted for the passage of any real change.

Again.

[Kamaji]

Far more chance of it with DeSantis than with Tumpy who will 'throw bombs' and piss absolutely everyone off - Including those he would need on his side to pass anything.

Mark my words: Tumpy is 4 more years of governing by EO... and another four years wasted for the passage of any real change.

Again.

[GtHawk]

Far more chance of it with DeSantis than with Tumpy who will 'throw bombs' and piss absolutely everyone off - Including those he would need on his side to pass anything.

Mark my words: Tumpy is 4 more years of governing by EO... and another four years wasted for the passage of any real change.

Again.

Silly me, I must have totally forgotten all the permanent good Trump accomplished in those two years when he had majorities in both houses of congress...maybe he didn't throw enough bombs? Instead he was bulldozed over by the democrats when they took over congress and he never threw
 a single veto at their spending. In the end all he accomplished...by EO was erased the moment Brandon took the oath. Bombs? More like bombastic!

[roamer_1]

Silly me, I must have totally forgotten all the permanent good Trump accomplished in those two years when he had majorities in both houses of congress...maybe he didn't throw enough bombs? Instead he was bulldozed over by the democrats when they took over congress and he never threw
 a single veto at their spending. In the end all he accomplished...by EO was erased the moment Brandon took the oath. Bombs? More like bombastic!

That's right... And predictable. He has no deep seated principle to guide him - Even as admitted by his fans. And he's a chaos player... It's what he does. He pisses everybody off throwing chaos, and when they react, he follows through with a martyr play. It's his gig. It's a great media play, he's a drama machine... But it does not unite. And unity is what it takes to get things done in DC, Not fans.

And that unity is antithetical to his very existence. 

[Maj. Bill Martin]

I only responded to your claim that we need a President that just throws bombs around in order to be a free nation

The problem with a guy like Trump who just "throws bombs" is that after the bombs go off, the real power lies in the hands of those who get to rebuild it.  And because Trump is so polarizing/alienating, the country would elect a Dem in 2028 just like it did in 2020.

You have to be able to build some stability going in the right direction for it to have any lasting effect.  "Throwing bombs" rather than building anything means that your impact is going to be temporary.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

@Maj. Bill Martin

I disagree. It is giving a backstabbing bastard the treatment he deserves.

So it's more important to punish the guy who beat Trump in the primary than it is to elect the better man as President- DeSantis over Biden?

[sneakypete]

So it's more important to punish the guy who beat Trump in the primary than it is to elect the better man as President- DeSantis over Biden?

@Maj. Bill Martin

Of course not.

Trump over Biden.

I WAS a big fan of having DeSantis be Trump's VP,so he could get some experience and "political aging" in the WH,and then have him take over after Trump has to leave after one four year term,and have DeSantis hold the WH for 8 years.

That was before I realized what a self-centered  backstabbing bastard  he  really is. Or seems to be. I guess there is time for him to redeem himself IF he is interested in that,but  it won't be easy.

Might not even be possible.

[catfish1957]

@Maj. Bill Martin

Of course not.

Trump over Biden.

I WAS a big fan of having DeSantis be Trump's VP,so he could get some experience and "political aging" in the WH,and then have him take over after Trump has to leave after one four year term,and have DeSantis hold the WH for 8 years.

That was before I realized what a self-centered  backstabbing bastard  he  really is. Or seems to be. I guess there is time for him to redeem himself IF he is interested in that,but  it won't be easy.

Might not even be possible.

What....no rude or orange?

[sneakypete]

What....no rude or orange?

@catfish1957

Tell me that you are not REALLY  that freaking stupid.

Rude and unruly to the point of refusing to bow to the Dims and RINO's is what we NEED to get America headed back on track as a free nation.

Once the Dim/RNC trust is broken,we need stability in order to restore our rights and freedoms. This is why it is both important AND fortunate for us that Trump can only serve one term. He can't and WON'T be kissing anybody's ass in order to get their support for a re-election bid.

Once Trump has busted up the Borg,it will be time for an administrator to take over and start re-assembling the pieces along Constitutional lines. I saw DeSantis as being the ideal "second act" because he is both young and smart.

What I did NOT see was him stabbing Trump in the back by challenging him for the Presidency. It has NOT happened YET,but all the signs are there to indicate that is precisely what he has planned,and frankly,neither he nor any  other "traditional politician" has the guts to do what needs to be done to start turning America around and making her a nation of free people again.

Maybe we are all wrong,and DeSantis has no such thing in mind,but it sure seems that way at this point in time,and frankly I am not aware of anyone else who is both  capable AND interested in doing this.

And make no mistake about it,NOBODY is going to do it in one term. We will be fortunate  indeed if we,the people,get to see a decent start made on it in the one term Trump would have,and the two possible terms DeSantis would have maybe had. We didn't get to where we are now overnight,and we won't get to where we should be overnight,either. Especially not with so many Americans in the "gimme,gimme" state of mind where they are owed anything they want without them having to do anything to accomplish it on their own.

Hell,it may even be too late already. "Ships" this big do not  turn on a dime,and it is going to take more than one administration to get America sailing in the original direction our forefathers set out to establish when they took on the British in order to be and live as a free people.

One thing I AM positive of is that if we keep doing the same thing,we will  get the  same results we have been getting ever since Reagan left office.

Damn shame we can't dig up Reagan,G Washington,T Jefferson,and a few  others and clone them to start all over again,but we and our children are going to have to do this one on their own.

[roamer_1]

Rude and unruly to the point of refusing to bow to the Dims and RINO's is what we NEED to get America headed back on track as a free nation.

Exactly wrong @sneakypete  You could not be more wrong. You'll get nothing done if everybody is pissed off at you. No man is an island. Especially in politics.

What you need is a machine, just like in elections, only far more sophisticated. For that you need a tough guy with vision who is a coalition builder. You need a leader. And contrary to your thinking, a leader is seldom a man alone, and virtually never 'my way or the highway'.

Predictably y'all will be in the same boat as last time.