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Republicans worried about repeating 2022 mistakes
« on: April 18, 2023, 04:14:24 pm »
Establishment Republicans worried about repeating 2022 mistakes
Ryan King


As Republicans try to recoup from their 2022 midterm losses, party leaders are at odds over how to address the GOP's electability problem.

Senate leadership has been adamant that the party's goal must be to win across the board in 2024, but the anti-tax Club for Growth is seeking to elevate fiscal conservatism and even meddling in early primaries to achieve wins next cycle. The developments highlight a growing rift between top Republicans and the influential conservative group.

Already, the Club for Growth has managed to alienate both Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) and former President Donald Trump, two fierce political rivals. The group publicly chastised McConnell as a member of the "establishment Republicans" and snubbed Trump at a donor retreat, drawing his fury.

Most notably, the group has begun drawing battle lines in Republican primaries that are seemingly at odds with the National Republican Senatorial Committee in at least three states: West Virginia, Montana, and Ohio.

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Re: Republicans worried about repeating 2022 mistakes
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2023, 04:31:01 pm »
Too little, too late.

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Re: Republicans worried about repeating 2022 mistakes
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2023, 04:34:41 pm »
Just heard Trump was pushing the GOP to do ballot harvesting in 2024. If so, he may have just won my vote, haha.

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Re: Republicans worried about repeating 2022 mistakes
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2023, 05:09:35 pm »
They should be.  The GOP doesn't learn from its mistakes.  It doubles down on failure.
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Re: Republicans worried about repeating 2022 mistakes
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2023, 05:55:11 pm »
They should be.  The GOP doesn't learn from its mistakes.  It doubles down on failure.

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Re: Republicans worried about repeating 2022 mistakes
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2023, 05:55:55 pm »
Just heard Trump was pushing the GOP to do ballot harvesting in 2024. If so, he may have just won my vote, haha.

Why not choose the guy who got it right the first time, rather than the guy whose crappy advice may have cost us in 2022? This article is from October 2022:

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DeSantis breaks with Trump on early voting: 'Can't be complacent'

With early voting underway in more than half of Florida's counties as of Monday -- 15 days before Election Day -- Gov. Ron DeSantis is urging supporters to cast their ballots sooner rather than later, despite calls from Donald Trump and some other Republicans to wait until Nov. 8.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/voting-underway-florida-desantis-unlike-trump-urges-people/story?id=91967278

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Re: Republicans worried about repeating 2022 mistakes
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2023, 06:06:50 pm »
If the GOP has any hope of being competitive, it’d better jump with both feet into ballot harvesting, early voting and absentee voting.  They’d better also find some way to achieve some form of common cause with Gen-Z voters who are flooding the electorate more with each passing cycle.  All that may pause the emerging dominance of the dems outside the hardcore red states.

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Re: Republicans worried about repeating 2022 mistakes
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2023, 09:19:25 pm »
They should be.  The GOP doesn't learn from its mistakes.  It doubles down on failure.

The legacy GOP is addicted to failure.

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« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2023, 09:22:39 pm »
If the GOP has any hope of being competitive, it’d better jump with both feet into ballot harvesting, early voting and absentee voting.  They’d better also find some way to achieve some form of common cause with Gen-Z voters who are flooding the electorate more with each passing cycle.  All that may pause the emerging dominance of the dems outside the hardcore red states.


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Re: Republicans worried about repeating 2022 mistakes
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2023, 02:37:00 am »
2022 proved that nothing was learned in 2020.  More of the same ahead.
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Re: Republicans worried about repeating 2022 mistakes
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2023, 03:04:58 am »
If the GOP has any hope of being competitive, it’d better jump with both feet into ballot harvesting, early voting and absentee voting.  They’d better also find some way to achieve some form of common cause with Gen-Z voters who are flooding the electorate more with each passing cycle.  All that may pause the emerging dominance of the dems outside the hardcore red states.

Add to that Vote by Mail, Republicans living in States with VBM need to get them in early. If you don't trust the mail then use a drop box. Don't wait till the last day like Republicans were told in 2020.
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Re: Republicans worried about repeating 2022 mistakes
« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2023, 03:34:38 am »
Why not choose the guy who got it right the first time, rather than the guy whose crappy advice may have cost us in 2022? This article is from October 2022:

Is he even running though?

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« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2023, 03:25:38 pm »
Is he even running though?

I'd be willing to put significant amounts of money on that.

Look at it this way: 

1) There is a large pro-DeSantis PAC out there that has been lining up donors and staff people for months, and continue to do it right up through today.

2) Trump is a vindictive SOB, and his campaign has announced that nobody who does any work for DeSantis will ever be hired in his organization.  That means that all those people would be hung completely out to dry if DeSantis doesn't run.

3) Despite 1) and 2), DeSantis clearly has not told any of those organizations, through back channels or otherwise, that he is not running. Nor has he apparently even told them that they should wait for an announcement from him before making a commitment.   If he then chooses not to run, there likely would be a lot of lingering bad feelings towards him for leaving all those people and donors hung out to dry. What would be his motivation for that?

4) He just spent a bunch of time on a trip in some of the early primary states.  Why would he be doing that if he isn't running?

5). There are all sorts of reports of DeSantises people contacting members of Florida's congressional delegation and asking them not to endorse Trump. There is no reason for them to be doing that unless DeSantis plans to run himself.

6). There is no event or action that has occurred recently that would justify him changing his mind and choosing not to run. Quite the opposite - specifically, other potential Republican candidates like Youngkin and Pompeo, who may have diluted some of the anti-Trump vote, have announced that they will not be running.

I literally cannot think of a single action DeSantis has taken that is consistent with someone who is not running. Conversely, he's taking a bunch of actions that are completely consistent with someone who is running.  People wondering why he has not yet announced need to only look at the Florida legislative calendar to see the reason that has been evident since last year. The end of the Florida legislative session, which is on May 5.  Is the perfect trigger for making his announcement.

The arguments I've read for him deciding not to run - that Trump is vindictive, that it will divide the Republican Party, that Trump will do anything he can to destroy DeSantis, etc., - are things that were just as obvious last year. If those things were sufficient to dissuade DeSantis from running, why wouldn't he have just made it clear last year that he was not running, and saving himself from all the attacks and vitriol from Trump and his supporters that he has had to endure?

The only logical reason for him to have put up with all that crap for the last five months is that he is planning to run.
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