Trump widens lead over DeSantis to 33 points in new survey

[Right_in_Virginia]

Trump widens lead over DeSantis to 33 points in new survey
The Hill, Apr 11, 2023

Former President Trump widened his lead over Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) in a hypothetical Republican primary match-up to 33 points, according to a new poll.

A Morning Consult poll found Trump with 56 percent of the vote among a group of current and potential GOP challengers for the nomination and DeSantis in second with 23 percent. This marks Trump’s widest lead in the poll since Morning Consult started tracking the hypothetical primary in December.

The most recent poll found Vice President Pence came in third with 7 percent, followed by former Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley with 4 percent and former Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) with 3 percent.

The poll also found that the announcement from former Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson (R) last week that he would join the race does not appear to have had a major effect on the polling. Almost 7 in 10 potential Republican primary voters said they did not hear much about the announcement, and only 1 percent said they would support him.

The poll was conducted from April 7-9 among 3,608 potential Republican primary voters. The margin of error was 2 points.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3944123-trump-widens-lead-over-desantis-to-33-points-in-new-survey/amp/

[Right_in_Virginia]

[mountaineer]

Sweetheart.....DeSantis isn't a candidate.

Didn't the article say this was a hypothetical matchup?

[corbe]

     Freshman Senator Cruz had the same numbers in Iowa, and he won.


     Go DeSantis ~ (When you are IN)

[Right_in_Virginia]

Sweetheart.....DeSantis isn't a candidate.

Then Ronny's globalist, America-last mega donors are just funding his retirement, right, Pumpkin?

[Hoodat]

Then Ronny's globalist, America-last mega donors are just funding his retirement, right, Pumpkin?

What entity are these phantom mega-donors donating to?  The pitfalls of making it up as you go.

[Right_in_Virginia]

The pitfalls of making it up as you go.

Then why do you keep doing it?

[Right_in_Virginia]

"BOOOOOOOM!!! EVEN CANDACE KNOWS!!!" (Video)

https://mobile.twitter.com/PapiTrumpo/status/1645965596025057283

[kevindavis007]

Fine, he might win the nomination, but when it comes to the general, it doesn't mean a hill of beans especially since Trump will not get the independent vote.


If you can explain to me how Trump can win the general without the independent vote then I'll vote for Trump in 2024.

[LMAO]

Fine, he might win the nomination, but when it comes to the general, it doesn't mean a hill of beans especially since Trump will not get the independent vote.


If you can explain to me how Trump can win the general without the independent vote then I'll vote for Trump in 2024.

I’ve made peace with the fact that we’re not going to win the presidential election in 2024. You’re never going to get past the MAGAs in the primaries. It is what it is.

But we need to find someway to make sure that people running down ticket don’t get tied to Donald Trump and end up returning the House to Democrat control

[kevindavis007]

I’ve made peace with the fact that we’re not going to win the presidential election in 2024. You’re never going to get past the MAGAs in the primaries. It is what it is.

But we need to find someway to make sure that people running down ticket don’t get tied to Donald Trump and end up returning the House to Democrat control

That is a tall order

[Kamaji]

I’ve made peace with the fact that we’re not going to win the presidential election in 2024. You’re never going to get past the MAGAs in the primaries. It is what it is.

But we need to find someway to make sure that people running down ticket don’t get tied to Donald Trump and end up returning the House to Democrat control

[LMAO]

That is a tall order

I understand that. The MAGA’s are on a suicide mission.

[cato potatoe]

The ABC poll gave Trump 25% favorability, which probably is low, but not by much.  Republicans are Jonestown or Bust.  Not much we can do about that.  I just hope they come to their senses before the supreme court is 13 pink haired trannies.

[andy58-in-nh]

I understand that. The MAGA’s are on a suicide mission.

Yep.

Current electoral reality: Assuming they win FL, TX and OH, Republicans start with 212 electoral votes. Democrats start with 219.

For any Republican Presidential candidate to win an election, they must now win at least two out of three of these states: PA, GA, and NC, and even so, the path to victory is very difficult without PA. They could do it by losing PA and winning NV, AZ and NH (as well as GA and NC)... or maybe by winning WI and MI... but it will not be easy... because of California and its 54 electoral votes, which no Republican has any chance of winning, whatsoever. 

Trump's unpopularity with Independent voters -which is all but locked-in - does not make the task any easier.

[DefiantMassRINO]

 

Trump's Ego leads Trump by 66 points.

[corbe]

I understand that. The MAGA’s are on a suicide mission.

   They will get their 'Happy Ending', though.

[Fishrrman]

Andy wrote:
"For any Republican Presidential candidate to win an election, they must now win at least two out of three of these states: PA, GA, and NC, and even so, the path to victory is very difficult without PA. They could do it by losing PA and winning NV, AZ and NH (as well as GA and NC)... or maybe by winning WI and MI... but it will not be easy... because of California and its 54 electoral votes, which no Republican has any chance of winning, whatsoever. "

Thanks, Andy.
At least someone in this forum "sees what's coming" for the Republicans in the years ahead.

Let's break down your post a little bit.
"they must now win at least two out of three of these states: PA, GA, and NC"

GA? How have the Pubbies been doing in national contests there lately? The continuing "change" of the state's demographics is going to seal that fate. Slowly but surely, it's "getting darker".

NC? That's possible.

PA? Are you kidding? What has been done to thwart The Party's "election apparatus" in that state?

"They could do it by losing PA and winning NV, AZ and NH"

NH? Nope. Maybe 1 in 5 chance there, at best.

AZ? Sorry, that's a blue state now, at least insofar as national elections are concerned. They don't even bother to hide the cheating there any more.

NV? Toss up at best, tipped-over-blue at worst.

"or maybe by winning WI and MI"

The Republicans have about as much chance of winning these two states again (in a presidential contest) as they do in PA. The Party's apparatus will see to that.

I hope you read this followup, Andy.
Please show me where I'm wrong.

There was a time up to about 15-20 years ago when the Electoral College favored Republicans (at least marginally).
That time... has ended.
When was the last time you heard the dem-communists griping about the EC?
Why is that?

[andy58-in-nh]

I hope you read this followup, Andy.
Please show me where I'm wrong.

There was a time up to about 15-20 years ago when the Electoral College favored Republicans (at least marginally).
That time... has ended.
When was the last time you heard the dem-communists griping about the EC?
Why is that?

@Fishrrman

Hey - I don't think you're wrong at all. In fact, that was the entire point of my analysis.

Until or unless the GOP "leadership" figures out that they have been outplayed, outmaneuvered, and need to adopt an entirely new playbook... they are doomed.

Having said that, I don't think Trump is the answer. But neither is what and who the Republican poobahs have been promoting these past 25 years or so: establishment-approved managers of national decline and ultimate submission to the coastal elites.

[NavyCanDo]

I’ve made peace with the fact that we’re not going to win the presidential election in 2024. You’re never going to get past the MAGAs in the primaries. It is what it is.

But we need to find someway to make sure that people running down ticket don’t get tied to Donald Trump and end up returning the House to Democrat control

Thats hard for me to accept, but being optimistic is my nature. But the reality of the situation I see no other outcome but Democrats winning the Whitehouse again in 2024.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

But we need to find someway to make sure that people running down ticket don’t get tied to Donald Trump and end up returning the House to Democrat control

The only way not have every Republican tied to Donald Trump is for some other Republican to challenge him hard in the primaries. Even if the challenger doesn't win, it will show that there is more to the Republican Party than Donald Trump.

[Hoodat]

The pitfalls of making it up as you go.

Then why do you keep doing it?

Again, what entity are these phantom mega-donors donating to?

[LMAO]

Again, what entity are these phantom mega-donors donating to?

You know you’re not gonna get an answer

What you will get is her telling you that she’s answered it before with receipts, and then claim you’re a stalker

[Maj. Bill Martin]

I assume they're donating to https://neverbackdown.org/, which is the pro-DeSantis PAC that has raised a bunch of money.  It's independent of him, which is why it can raise money even though he hasn't declared.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

I’ve made peace with the fact that we’re not going to win the presidential election in 2024. You’re never going to get past the MAGAs in the primaries. It is what it is.

I'm not so sure about that.

Trump won about 45% of the primary vote in 2016, which includes getting nearly all of the votes in the later primaries after other candidates had dropped out.  To me, that is the true number of people in his "base".  So maybe 35-40%.  The rest of his support are those of us who voted for/supported him in the general election because he was the nominee.

When DeSantis declares -- and he will -- a lot is going to depend on how many other elected Republicans come out to support him, because that's the kind of thing that can build momentum.  Trump is less popular in the early primary states, and that also could help change the dynamic.   I'd agree that the odds are still on Trump's side, but it's too early to throw in the towel, especially when he's still in legal jeopardy from other cases that haven't yet been filed.   I would not be shocked if the classified document one turns out to hurt him the most, as it is entirely possible that particular case won't just be limited to him having held on to those documents.