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The True Dangers of Long Trains
« on: April 07, 2023, 02:50:56 pm »

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Re: The True Dangers of Long Trains
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2023, 03:03:12 pm »
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Re: The True Dangers of Long Trains
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2023, 03:11:41 pm »
This is something I have suspected. Trains aren't derailing from outside sabotage. They are derailing from piss poor practices of the train companies. They are sabotaging themselves.
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Re: The True Dangers of Long Trains
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2023, 03:53:02 pm »
... companies are forgoing long-held safety precautions, such as assembling trains to distribute weight and risk ...

Safely distributing weight is a key safety and operational necessity for bulk transporters and inter-modal transporters.
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Re: The True Dangers of Long Trains
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2023, 04:31:18 pm »
I have always been an obsessed practioner of risk managment.  Comes from my occupation I guess.

Example:  There is no reason not to stop 200-300 feet away from a passing train.  If someone is impatient, they can go around you. 
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Re: The True Dangers of Long Trains
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2023, 05:26:05 pm »
I have always been an obsessed practioner of risk managment.  Comes from my occupation I guess.

Example:  There is no reason not to stop 200-300 feet away from a passing train.  If someone is impatient, they can go around you.

Also, the crossing gates aren't guaranteed to work. We had one fail around here. Good reason to slow down at all train crossings.

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Re: The True Dangers of Long Trains
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2023, 05:28:08 pm »
This is something I have suspected. Trains aren't derailing from outside sabotage. They are derailing from piss poor practices of the train companies. They are sabotaging themselves.
The presence of one does not deny the existence of the other. That said, any kid who had enough model train cars, or a pet or sibling who grabbed the last car in the train knows it's going to derail.
Common sense would dictate that the empties should be at the back of the train.

Considering terrain, and that different parts of a train will be in tension or compression as the train passes through transitions in grade, you would think someone would have figured out how to independently brake cars as needed, even if it was run by a computer. Granted, the more subsystems involved, the more possible points of failure, and the greater the cost...which appears to be why these trains are this long in the first place. Unlike unit trains, one cargo, one type of car, one train, trains with a mix of cars and cargoes will be far more complex in their internal interactions as they pass through terrain.
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Re: The True Dangers of Long Trains
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2023, 05:29:40 pm »
Also, the crossing gates aren't guaranteed to work. We had one fail around here. Good reason to slow down at all train crossings.
Some places don't even have crossing gates. A former employer and best man at my wedding was killed at one such.
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Re: The True Dangers of Long Trains
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2023, 08:04:07 pm »
Full disclosure, I didn't read the article.  But I have a good friend who works for BNSF. He told me a good 10 years ago that the reason trains were pulling more cars was because they can cut personnel costs and increase profits.

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Re: The True Dangers of Long Trains
« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2023, 03:35:38 pm »
Some places don't even have crossing gates. A former employer and best man at my wedding was killed at one such.
That's especially true on side roads. I know around here, a lot of the crossings only have one of those X signs and occasionally a YIELD sign. What makes it worse is that a lot of those rails are surrounded by roughage like shrubs and small trees meaning that it's very difficult to see an oncoming train.

Granted, a lot of those railroads around here have been decommissioned but some are still in use.
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Re: The True Dangers of Long Trains
« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2023, 04:17:34 pm »
I'm impressed, it must really say something about the seriousness of the subject that we have ten replies and not one taking the road down innuendo :thumbsup:

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« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2023, 06:12:47 pm »
I'm impressed, it must really say something about the seriousness of the subject that we have ten replies and not one taking the road down :thumbsup:

That would be juvenile behavior and decorum prohibits talk of such things in mixed company.
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Re: The True Dangers of Long Trains
« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2023, 06:47:49 pm »
I'm impressed, it must really say something about the seriousness of the subject that we have ten replies and not one taking the road down innuendo :thumbsup:

We save those for those Sci-Fi threads where the Klingons have invaded Uranus.
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