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Offline Right_in_Virginia

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@Right_in_Virginia

Your protestations are foolishness.

@roamer_1

No. They are not. 

You fail to recognize that smaller government is not an option when you turn a blind eye to the rampant dismantling of the rule of law, not men, the right to redress the government, and the sanctity of free and fair elections. 

All is now being systematically moved under the "principles" of rule by lawfare, intimidation and election interference.  Opposition to the federal regime ---- at any level or for any reason ---- will soon be impossible.

You are becoming more powerless with each passing day.  Get your priorities straight, while you still can.

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@roamer_1

No. They are not. 

You fail to recognize that smaller government is not an option when you turn a blind eye to the rampant dismantling of the rule of law

Conservatives aren't the ones turning a blind eye to that.  (See:  Kelo v. New London)
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No. They are not. 

You fail to recognize that smaller government is not an option when you turn a blind eye to the rampant dismantling of the rule of law, not men, the right to redress the government, and the sanctity of free and fair elections. 


Yes, it is. Foolishness.
The election remains the very same: The only corruption that matters is that which you can prove. In court. Nothing new in that... And Democrats have been rigging elections since Hector was a pup.

Rule of Law is being dismantled? Well, yes, in liberal cities. Not anywhere else. Certainly not here, or the other red states.

And Tumpy is going RIGHT NOW to face his accusers - In a court.

So take a breath...  There is a reason why folks ain't buying into your drama. This is court... Wholly different than the media driven drivel so many get bound up over. Proof requires verity, unlike in the media. If he doesn't get a fair shake, appellate courts are standing by.

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All is now being systematically moved under the "principles" of rule by lawfare, intimidation and election interference.  Opposition to the federal regime ---- at any level or for any reason ---- will soon be impossible.


Well first off, 'lawfare' is no principle. Nice try. But neither is it anything new in liberal cities and states. And you should have thought of all this when you were in power, and building that bigger, better federal government. Now it is just that much more for the Democrats to build upon.

But I deny the premise generally. Red states are becoming more FREE. Nullification has shifted gears. The play is going to fail, unless of course the dollar crashes... Maybe it wasn't a good idea to print so much money, eh?

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You are becoming more powerless with each passing day.  Get your priorities straight, while you still can.

No I am not. Unlike where you are, people here are liberty minded... and still very likely to survive the coming crash. We are not tied to the idea of the ponderous government you have... And the ponderous government y'all left us at the federal level has been largely nullified.

Which is neither here nor there. I will die free. FAFO. Come and take it. You will find the inland Northwest and the Rocky Mountains entirely unaccommodating. And the same can be said all across flyover country.

And I can always walk off where government can't go. The principles I live by are still kept close by all of us out here. I switched to subsistence living years past now... I need very little from society... Which means there are damn few levers to use on me... My present condition excepted of course.


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This is such an incredibly revealing post.

She is equating Donald Trump, the person, with "life, liberty, and the rule of law", as if those concepts that have been with us since the founding of this country only exist now in the singular person of Donald Trump.   

No, I am not @Maj. Bill Martin 

I am saying that what is happening is larger in scope and affect than even Donald Trump.  It is the Marxists who have designated Donald Trump ground zero in the fight to resecure the rule of law, our liberty and the sanctity of our elections.

You have the right to turn the Marxists's strategy into an opportunity to shit on a man you so clearly dislike ---- and distort my opinions as part of your efforts.  Or, you can stand with Trump alongside tens of millions of American patriots and fight to take back this country ---- this, too, is your right.

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No, I am not @Maj. Bill Martin 

I am saying that what is happening is larger in scope and affect than even Donald Trump.  It is the Marxists who have designated Donald Trump ground zero in the fight to resecure the rule of law, our liberty and the sanctity of our elections.

You have the right to turn the Marxists's strategy into an opportunity to shit on a man you so clearly dislike ---- and distort my opinions as part of your efforts.  Or, you can stand with Trump alongside tens of millions of American patriots and fight to take back this country ---- this, too, is your right.

Lol…
You just countered yourself in one post

Bill is exactly right in his observation of what you’re doing here

You furiously tell him that he is wrong in his assessment.  Then in the last sentence, you imply that only choice he has if he wants to “take back his country” is to stand with Trump. To do otherwise, according to you, means he’s unwittingly siding with the Marxist. He, by not supporting Trump’s candidacy, has become a “useful idiot.”

It’s clear to everyone here what you’re attempting despite your protestations

And, you believe that this indictment gives you an opportunity to bash conservatives who support the reducing the size of the federal government and gives you cover in your support of Trump’s desire to grow it. Yet, reducing the size of the Government is a huge step in reigning its abuses
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You have the right to turn the Marxists's strategy into an opportunity to shit on a man you so clearly dislike....

At least attempt to be honest - I didn't need any "opportunity" because I was shittting on Donald Trump before this indictment because of policies he has advanced and statements he has made wholly separate from this prosecution.  You know, the kind of issues on which the nominations should be decided.

I also have said that this is a corrupt, politicized prosecution.

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and distort my opinions as part of your efforts.  Or, you can stand with Trump alongside tens of millions of American patriots and fight to take back this country

It's incredibly ironic that you double down on the exact argument I say you are making while denying that you are making that argument.  You are very clearly asserting that other Republicans have an obligation to rally around Donald Trump as a candidate because of this prosecution.  And that is bogus. 

There is absolutely nothing wrong, or remotely inconsistent, with continuing to criticize and oppose Donald Trump as a candidate, while simultaneously opposing this politicized prosecution.  Certainly, neither Trump nor his supporters are going to stop condemning and criticizing other Republicans.

I will say one thing in defense of Donald Trump that I don't believe has gotten enough attention. When so many of his (pejorative deleted) supporters were screaming "lock her up" about Hillary Clinton both pre and post election in 2016, Trump actually pulled back from that idea and did not support that prosecution.  Whether he did it as a matter of principal to avoid the appearance of politicized prosecution, or simply because he was friends with the Clintons, doesn't matter. He did the right thing then, which makes it even worse what Democrats are trying to do to him now.

Of course, no similar credit goes to his supporters who were engaging in those chants in the first place.
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