Trump calls for contest to create futuristic ‘Freedom Cities’

[Maj. Bill Martin]

A freedom city... a libertarian type city free from onerous or excessive regulations is a great idea. That is where Trump goes wrong with this. This is what I mean by thinking big.

You do that by making government smaller, not bigger.  I don't think this is just a "mistake" on his part.  It's a window into how he actually thinks.

[LMAO]

You do that by making government smaller, not bigger.  I don't think this is just a "mistake" on his part.  It's a window into how he actually thinks.

Uh huh

Spending more and growing the size of the federal government won’t solve the mess we’re in

As the primary season heats up, and more and more candidates really start to challenge him, I predict he gets worse

[catfish1957]

You know what's missing from this thread?

Trump apologist......

I wonder why.   

[Kamaji]

But wait!

Is it a coincidence that Tumpy is talking cities at the same time as Davos is hawking their 15 minute cities? Both leaning on modernity...

Presumably, Federal land, federal money... the Feds will own these cities...
'You'll own nothing, and be happy'... 

Stinks of Davos.

Yes, it does.  It smells precisely of the so-called "15 minute city" concept.

[Idiot]

So I've seen this raised a couple of times by @catfish1957 , and hadn't heard it myself, so I did some digging and sure enough, Trump is proposing some absolutely massive government proposals to achieve a "quantum leap in the American standard of living."  There's an article and then the actual video of Trump himself saying these things, so there's no question this is legit/not fake. 

It involves building massive new cities on federal land, building personal vertical takeoff/landing aircraft for individual families, etc..  The cost of what he is proposing  is probably in the tens of trillions.  I'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea that this is coming from a candidate in the party that is supposed to be the conservative party in this country.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJA_GBhCGgE

Gonna need a bigger printing press to print those dollars...

[Maj. Bill Martin]

You know what's missing from this thread?

Trump apologist......

I wonder why.   

 

[LMAO]

IMO, I think Trump is over promising here for a reason. He’s worried that a more conservative, especially on fiscal matters, candidate will get in the race so he’s desperate to differentiate himself from that possible challenge.

So he makes these spending desires lavish and outrageous to keep a hold on his populist base. The problem is he’s on the path with these promises to outspend Biden

[libertybele]

IMO Trump is jumping the gun. Futuristic cities? How about revamping the current infrastructure and fixing up the cities already in place?

Most of all he needs to be focused on how he's going to win an election without the left stealing it from under him!!!

[LMAO]

Between a GOP candidate making outlandish spending promises, a current president all happy over the ice cream he gets to eat while the nation falls apart, the abuse of children by the education and medical community, watching good people’s income buying less and less, and with the current cities we have becoming jungles, I don’t know if God is punishing us or testing us

[libertybele]

Between a GOP candidate making outlandish spending promises, a current president all happy over the ice cream he gets to eat while the nation falls apart, the abuse of children by the education and medical community, watching good people’s income buying less and less, and with the current cities we have becoming jungles, I don’t know if God is punishing us or testing us

@LMAO We are a nation that is allowing abortions, transgenderism, gay marriages, riots, etc., and have omitted God from our schools.  So what do you think??

We can't expect to snub our noses at God and the teachings of the Bible and expect our nation to be rewarded.

As long as we as a people accept the "wokeness" and "political correctness" that has been shoved down our throats it will continue.  We keep electing the same RINO's instead of good, conservative, Christians.   Unfortunately when we go to the ballot box the selection is very slim.

Personally, I refuse anymore to vote for someone who isn't a conservative.  I don't care if the opposition is worse; in the long run the outcome turns out to be pretty much the same.

[kevindavis007]

Yes, it does.  It smells precisely of the so-called "15 minute city" concept.

Like this:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol4t-vbMUPA

[kevindavis007]

IMO, I think Trump is over promising here for a reason. He’s worried that a more conservative, especially on fiscal matters, candidate will get in the race so he’s desperate to differentiate himself from that possible challenge.

So he makes these spending desires lavish and outrageous to keep a hold on his populist base. The problem is he’s on the path with these promises to outspend Biden

Just remember: Populism isn't Conservatism.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Just remember: Populism isn't Conservatism.

He's basically doing the same thing that Biden did with student loan forgiveness - buying votes with tax dollars.

[Right_in_Virginia]

There was a time when America embraced a challenge . I imagine many in 1962 thought landing a man on the moon and returning him safely to Earth by the end of the decade was ridiculous and a waste of money.

Don't be afraid of engaging the dreamers and innovators among us; encourage them.

[catfish1957]

There was a time when America embraced a challenge . I imagine many in 1962 thought landing a man on the moon and returning him safely to Earth by the end of the decade was ridiculous and a waste of money.

Don't be afraid of engaging the dreamers and innovators among us; encourage them.

Considering the $10-$15T cost this would add to the national debt that Trump already balooned as POTUS, this might have been the silliest thing you have ever said at TBR.  I swear you will say anything to defend this guy.

Would  you go on record and say that you want to bankrupt the country?

In 1962 we were a industrial powerhouse, with one of the best GDP growths in the world.  Checked lately?

[Free Vulcan]

There was a time when America embraced a challenge . I imagine many in 1962 thought landing a man on the moon and returning him safely to Earth by the end of the decade was ridiculous and a waste of money.

Don't be afraid of engaging the dreamers and innovators among us; encourage them.

This isn't 1962, and we aren't that country. This is bread and circuses when we got larger problems, and don't need to add more to them.

Let's start fixing what we have first.

[bigheadfred]

There was a time when America embraced a challenge . I imagine many in 1962 thought landing a man on the moon and returning him safely to Earth by the end of the decade was ridiculous and a waste of money.

Don't be afraid of engaging the dreamers and innovators among us; encourage them.

Imagine, if you wll, that this idea could bring Rod Serling back from the dead.   

[Kamaji]

There was a time when America embraced a challenge . I imagine many in 1962 thought landing a man on the moon and returning him safely to Earth by the end of the decade was ridiculous and a waste of money.

Don't be afraid of engaging the dreamers and innovators among us; encourage them.

Dearie, Trump's "Freedom Cities" isn't the future, it's the sordid old past from the 1950s and 1960s, when planned cities like Brasilia and Chandigarh were built, and when the depressing socialist block cities were built in the Soviet Union and other communist countries.  All of these planned cities are now falling apart and have rampant crime (even Chandigarh, despite being home to some of India's elites).

In other words, this isn't a daring vision of the future, its a too-rosy-by-half look over the shoulder at the distant, failed, past.

[catfish1957]

Dearie, Trump's "Freedom Cities" isn't the future, it's the sordid old past from the 1950s and 1960s, when planned cities like Brasilia and Chandigarh were built, and when the depressing socialist block cities were built in the Soviet Union and other communist countries.  All of these planned cities are now falling apart and have rampant crime (even Chandigarh, despite being home to some of India's elites).

In other words, this isn't a daring vision of the future, its a too-rosy-by-half look over the shoulder at the distant, failed, past.

And don't forget Trump's insistance that we have flying cars.   I always wanted to be one of the Jetsons.  Heck I might get a dog named Astro too.   

[Lando Lincoln]

Whatever happened to Biden’s “moon shot” of curing cancer?

[catfish1957]

Whatever happened to Biden’s “moon shot” of curing cancer?

That's a cause I could get behind, but with bidet it would be led by dr. dumb.

[Smokin Joe]

It's a very old Idea. Metropolis, 1927 https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0017136/?ref_=tt_mv_close

For the urbanite, a utopia.

For the rest of us, Hell in steel and concrete, aluminum and glass.

Cities breed rules. People who live close together (especially from different cultural backgrounds) seem to need rules, and they go apeshit making them to the point where no one can follow what all the rules are, much less abide by them. A segment of that society will then do as they please, just because they can't follow the rules anyway. There's plenty of that going on today. The result is that the people making all those rules either ignore them, or go all-out Nazi trying to enforce them, and ever making more rules.

That's where our cities are today.

I don't want to live in any city, but if anyone is determined to build something like this, how about a pilot project before going hog wild into production?

[Maj. Bill Martin]

I don't want to live in any city, but if anyone is determined to build something like this, how about a pilot project before going hog wild into production?

I personally don't care either way as long as tax dollars aren't being used to pay for it.  If Elon Musk (for example) wants to try to finance some Trumpian Metropolis, it's no skin off my butt.

It's no business of government, though.

[Kamaji]

Le Corbusier designed a prototype in the 1920s, called Ville Radieuse:  https://99percentinvisible.org/article/ville-radieuse-le-corbusiers-functionalist-plan-utopian-radiant-city/

It would have been a monstrosity of soviet proportions if it had been built.

[Right_in_Virginia]

In other words, this isn't a daring vision of the future, its a too-rosy-by-half look over the shoulder at the distant, failed, past.

All I'm saying is try not to allow disappoinment, cynicism and fear to consume you.  For once, try encouraging those willing to put fresh eyes on a solution ----- motivate them to venture outside the box you created in a desperate attempt to control a messy world.