When Will Stubborn Trump Loyalists Face Inconvenient Truths?

[libertybele]

Which is why a fiscally conservative president isn’t enough

Exactly.

We need a conservative House AND Senate along with a conservative president. That's not on the horizon.

We need more conservative governors like DeSantis keeping the leftists at arms length.  That is our best chance.  I just don't see things changing much at the federal level.

That is why I take such issue with the rude orange man with billions going after a conservative.

[cato potatoe]

You elected a Chinese paid demented pedophile who showers with his prepubescent daughter.
You elected a guy who cannot read a stupid teleprompter.
You elected a guy who is about to get us into a nuclear war.
Thank you for your service. Trump is horrible!!!!!

Eh, just about everyone was aboard the trump train in 2020 (including myself).  74 million votes.  This should make you question his prospects for 2024.  Donald lost the election by himself.  He destroyed his economic credentials by participating in the covid panic.  He tweeted "when the looting starts, the shooting starts" while otherwise ignoring the George Floyd riots, and enabled  the left to control the narrative and transform our major cities into ghettos.  A supposed billionaire, he allowed his campaign to be swamped by some old man hiding in a basement in Delaware.  Donald used every opportunity to remind independents and leftists why they hated him personally, and he was turnout machine for them.  He was a complete jerk in the first debate with Biden, tried to out machismo the guy, and lost.  He did jack squat to challenge the rule changes prior to the election.  Instead he told his people early voting was fraudulent, while the democrats focused on exploiting the rules in place that year. 

Now he is trashing DeSantis (a non-candidate right wing governor who barely alludes to Trump) more than Biden a at 4:1 clip.  He is raising the spectre of January 6 by calling for violence.
 Already outnumbered, he is driving people away.  Ask yourself whether that is a worthwhile pursuit.

[GtHawk]

But, but, but, Trump made them do it. /s

Here's my issue, name one of those bloated budgets that congress passed that Trump vetoed. Would his veto been overridden? yeah probably, but then congress would have owned it and Trump would at least shown that he walked what he preached instead of coming off as.........I'll just leave it there.

[roamer_1]

But, but, but, Trump made them do it. /s

Well, no... But he sure as hell didn't try to stop it. Even a little bit.
Had he used his veto pen, and the bully pulpit, I would have no argument.

[roamer_1]

Which is why a fiscally conservative president isn’t enough

NO one man is going to be enough. No one man will change a dang thing.
That is pure fantasy.

[bigheadfred]

Well, no... But he sure as hell didn't try to stop it. Even a little bit.
Had he used his veto pen, and the bully pulpit, I would have no argument.

My problem is that spending/debt has increased under every president this century.

Blame the presidents? Or someone(s) else?

[roamer_1]

Blame the presidents? Or AND someone(s) else?

YES. Fixed.
Unfortunately for the president, The buck is supposed to stop at the top.
He is supposed to be jamming the deal. So he gets extra credit. Similar to a CEO. The CFO pays the bills. But if he goes sideways, it is the CEO that takes the hit.

And no excuses by the way... Every other president has been blamed or taken credit for the economy. There is no special exception just because it's Tumpy. It is his hit to take.

[LMAO]

My problem is that spending/debt has increased under every president this century.

Blame the presidents? Or someone(s) else?

If you mean the 21st-century, yes

That’s not true when it comes to the 20th century

[bigheadfred]

YES. Fixed.
Unfortunately for the president, The buck is supposed to stop at the top.
He is supposed to be jamming the deal. So he gets extra credit. Similar to a CEO. The CFO pays the bills. But if he goes sideways, it is the CEO that takes the hit.

And no excuses by the way... Every other president has been blamed or taken credit for the economy. There is no special exception just because it's Tumpy. It is his hit to take.

So, do you see any future president slowing the roll? I don't.

[libertybele]

My problem is that spending/debt has increased under every president this century.

Blame the presidents? Or someone(s) else?

Yes blame the presidents along with the fed chairmen and secretary of treasury.  In this case; Brandon, Powell and Yellen.

[roamer_1]

So, do you see any future president slowing the roll? I don't.

Nope. That's why this messianic bullshit just naturally has to go. Like I said, one man can't do sh*t. PROVEN.

TEA Party was the right idea. Stop looking after shiny sh*t and build a grass roots movement. It has to start on the ground and turn over states. Because everyone who is in the federal system comes up through the rolls - come up from the states.

You will not stop a damn thing without that kind of whole-house movement.
You need a machine. not a man.

[libertybele]

So, do you see any future president slowing the roll? I don't.

I think we are looking at a deep depression at best and I believe Brandon and others are trying to collapse our economy and doing away with the dollar.

[LMAO]

Nope. That's why this messianic bullshit just naturally has to go. Like I said, one man can't do sh*t. PROVEN.

TEA Party was the right idea. Stop looking after shiny sh*t and build a grass roots movement. It has to start on the ground and turn over states. Because everyone who is in the federal system comes up through the rolls - come up from the states.

You will not stop a damn thing without that kind of whole-house movement.
You need a machine. not a man.

I am a TEA Party type of guy vs a Trump populists. It was formed as a result of those bail out in 2008 along with the so-called stimulus. They were blamed for acts of violence by the press, but yet they were the most peaceful group of people to ever protest. They didn’t burn down cities or riot at the Capitol

[catfish1957]

My problem is that spending/debt has increased under every president this century.

Blame the presidents? Or someone(s) else?

@bigheadfred

True Fred. but the POTUS does bear some responsibilty for steering the car.  And here are the cold hard facts about DJT, as in evidence of this graphic I have prepared and have to dust off every few weeks or so to remind the orange contingent who wave the flagon his fiscal accumen.


Deficit additon numbers by POTUS acutal, and adjusted for inflation in what I have calculated with a 1981 Reagan CPI as Benchmark Year....

1. Trump- $1.707T/yr. ($567 B/yr. inflation adjusted)
2. Obama- $1.039T/yr ($372 B/yr. inflation adjusted)
3. GWB- $763 B/yr. ($314 B/yr. inflation adjusted)
4. GWHB- $388 B/yr.($237 B/yr. inflation adjusted)
5. Reagan- $232 B/yr.  ($166 B/yr.  inflation adjusted)
6. WJC- $174 B/yr.  ($86 B/yr. Inflation adjusted)

Obviously, Biden is wanting eclipse this, but President Donald J. Trump is the biggest budget defecit offender by far.  AND....   Dims don't pretend to want to address this.  Trump in '16 campaign stated he wanted to address it.  Which was utter bullshit.

[roamer_1]

I am a TEA Party type of guy vs a Trump populists. It was formed as a result of those bail out in 2008 along with the so-called stimulus. They were blamed for acts of violence by the press, but yet they were the most peaceful group of people to ever protest. They didn’t burn down cities or riot at the Capitol

ME too - Big-time. And I was in it from near the start.  I was not technically in the Ron Paul camp, but being in the libertarian minded West, I knew plenty of em, and was welcome there. I nearly saw it born.

And more to the point... Look at what they did. The largest turnover in history, I believe, all the way down to the city level in many places.

Then the Orange Julius and his populists came along...

We need to get our eye back on the ball. This is going to be a long hard grind, for a long, long time... no dream team. no magic man. Time to get real and let the adults do their thing.

Or there will be nothing.

That is the choice.

[libertybele]

@bigheadfred

True Fred. but the POTUS does bear some responsibilty for steering the car.  And here are the cold hard facts about DJT, as in evidence of this graphic I have prepared and have to dust off every few weeks or so to remind the orange contingent who wave the flagon his fiscal accumen.


Deficit additon numbers by POTUS acutal, and adjusted for inflation in what I have calculated with a 1981 Reagan CPI as Benchmark Year....

1. Trump- $1.707T/yr. ($567 B/yr. inflation adjusted)
2. Obama- $1.039T/yr ($372 B/yr. inflation adjusted)
3. GWB- $763 B/yr. ($314 B/yr. inflation adjusted)
4. GWHB- $388 B/yr.($237 B/yr. inflation adjusted)
5. Reagan- $232 B/yr.  ($166 B/yr.  inflation adjusted)
6. WJC- $174 B/yr.  ($86 B/yr. Inflation adjusted)

Obviously, Biden is wanting eclipse this, but President Donald J. Trump is the biggest budget defecit offender by far.  AND....   Dims don't pretend to want to address this.  Trump in '16 campaign stated he wanted to address it.  Which was utter bullshit.

In all fairness I think we need to consider the cost of COVID -- unknown territory     'W' had the war which added to the deficit.

Bammy pushed us over the trillion dollar threshold.

Balance the budget anyone?  Not since Clinton.

[catfish1957]

ME too - Big-time. And I was in it from near the start.  I was not technically in the Ron Paul camp, but being in the libertarian minded West, I knew plenty of em, and was welcome there. I nearly saw it born.

And more to the point... Look at what they did. The largest turnover in history, I believe, all the way down to the city level in many places.

Then the Orange Julius and his populists came along...

We need to get our eye back on the ball. This is going to be a long hard grind, for a long, long time... no dream team. no magic man. Time to get real and let the adults do their thing.

Or there will be nothing.

That is the choice.

I was all in at its inception, and was watching on CNBC and cheering the godfather when he got the ball rolling......


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp-Jw-5Kx8k

[roamer_1]

I think we are looking at a deep depression at best and I believe Brandon and others are trying to collapse our economy and doing away with the dollar.

That's right. The primary thing is to force a digital dollar, or rather digital currency all around... Which is part and parcel for the level of control needed to institute a one-world government. No buy or sell unless you go along.

The Beast rises.

[libertybele]

That's right. The primary thing is to force a digital dollar, or rather digital currency all around... Which is part and parcel for the level of control needed to institute a one-world government. No buy or sell unless you go along.

The Beast rises.

As long as we continue to be under Soros' grip, we are looking at a one world government sooner, rather than later. I have doubts that we're even going to see an election. Only one year out -- who knows.

[jmyrlefuller]

I think we are looking at a deep depression at best and I believe Brandon and others are trying to collapse our economy and doing away with the dollar.

Digital cryptocurrency.

Why do you think the Web is full of cryptobros pushing Bitcoin?

[bigheadfred]

WWII 'saved' us from the Great Depression. Will it take WWIII to save us from another?

[jmyrlefuller]

My problem is that spending/debt has increased under every president this century.

Blame the presidents? Or someone(s) else?

I will—bluntly—blame the people.

This is what they want. They WANT huge deficits because it means lower taxes and bigger benefits for them... in the short run. And they stopped having kids, so the aftermath will be someone else's problem.

People love talking about fiscal responsibility until THEIR benefits are threatened. Then, instead of abolishing the Ponzi scheme that is Socialist Security, it becomes a game of "privatization," i.e. have the government buy stakes in private companies as investment instruments. That's even more socialist!

This is a country hooked on the dole. Whether it's social security benefits, or government jobs, we've grown dependent on Big Government, a Big Government we have never been able to afford.

[sneakypete]

NO one man is going to be enough. No one man will change a dang thing.
That is pure fantasy.

@roamer_1

You finally wrote something political I can agree with.

Have you fallen  and injured your head recently?

[sneakypete]

My problem is that spending/debt has increased under every president this century.

Blame the presidents? Or someone(s) else?

@bigheadfred

Congress is in charge of spending,that Congress is composed of a LOT of "somebodies",and they have a long history of writing  spending bills for each other so that they get passed without some of the "guilty parties"  having to take the rap.

Congress reminds me a lot of an organized crime family,with it's own "untouchables" designated "patsies" who can take the public blame while not being hurt politically because the voters they represent are greedy,selfish,fools who can't seem to understand that when America fails,we ALL take the hit.

[roamer_1]

As long as we continue to be under Soros' grip, we are looking at a one world government sooner, rather than later. I have doubts that we're even going to see an election. Only one year out -- who knows.

Not Soros.
Davos.