Risk of uncontrolled escalation inches nearer in Ukraine war

[DefiantMassRINO]

On that logic, the United States should be split into multiple pieces - Greater New England, Greater New Francia, Greater New Espana, New Netherands, New Sweden, New Russia, and New Polynesia.

[Kamaji]

That is either flat-out delusional, or a deliberate lie. There is no universe in which  a Ukraine that has lost half of its resources and population can be more easily defended.  It's just a guarantee that Russia would come back in a few years to finish the job by invading from Belarus, Moldova, and via air bridges over the Dnipro.

Anyone who advocated that is, by definition, pro-Russia.

[Smokin Joe]

That is either flat-out delusional, or a deliberate lie. There is no universe in which  a Ukraine that has lost half of its resources and population can be more easily defended.  It's just a guarantee that Russia would come back in a few years to finish the job by invading from Belarus, Moldova, and via air bridges over the Dnipro.

Anyone who advocated that is, by definition, pro-Russia.

There are tremendous resources in the Donbas, including 87% of Ukraine's oil and gas production. The heavily contested Steel works produced armor plate and specialty steel that the Russians were buying. There also, in the region, was the Ukrainian missile and component industry, not to mention other natural resources.

The 'half' that some people are talking about Ukraine surrendering to invaders ("Peace in out time!") is a significant portion of the Ukrainian economy and industry, and strategic in nature. Surrendering that and even more access to the Black Sea and the unknown offshore mineral resources there would be folly, and would cripple Ukraine's economy as compared to what it was prior to the Russian invasion.

Even more, the Ukrainians have demonstrated that they are willing to fight for their homeland.

Enough nonsense about capitulation.

[Kamaji]

There are tremendous resources in the Donbas, including 87% of Ukraine's oil and gas production. The heavily contested Steel works produced armor plate and specialty steel that the Russians were buying. There also, in the region, was the Ukrainian missile and component industry, not to mention other natural resources.

The 'half' that some people are talking about Ukraine surrendering to invaders ("Peace in out time!") is a significant portion of the Ukrainian economy and industry, and strategic in nature. Surrendering that and even more access to the Black Sea and the unknown offshore mineral resources there would be folly, and would cripple Ukraine's economy as compared to what it was prior to the Russian invasion.

Even more, the Ukrainians have demonstrated that they are willing to fight for their homeland.

Enough nonsense about capitulation.

[berdie]

There are tremendous resources in the Donbas, including 87% of Ukraine's oil and gas production. The heavily contested Steel works produced armor plate and specialty steel that the Russians were buying. There also, in the region, was the Ukrainian missile and component industry, not to mention other natural resources.

The 'half' that some people are talking about Ukraine surrendering to invaders ("Peace in out time!") is a significant portion of the Ukrainian economy and industry, and strategic in nature. Surrendering that and even more access to the Black Sea and the unknown offshore mineral resources there would be folly, and would cripple Ukraine's economy as compared to what it was prior to the Russian invasion.

Even more, the Ukrainians have demonstrated that they are willing to fight for their homeland.

Enough nonsense about capitulation.

 

[Right_in_Virginia]

Charlie Kirk
@charliekirk11

According  to WaPo, Ukraine’s rocket campaign is "reliant on U.S. precision targeting" So the U.S. is now targeting missiles directly at Russia. Are we even trying to call this a proxy war still, or just war?

8:23 PM · Feb 9, 2023

[sneakypete]

There are tremendous resources in the Donbas, including 87% of Ukraine's oil and gas production. The heavily contested Steel works produced armor plate and specialty steel that the Russians were buying. There also, in the region, was the Ukrainian missile and component industry, not to mention other natural resources.

The 'half' that some people are talking about Ukraine surrendering to invaders ("Peace in out time!") is a significant portion of the Ukrainian economy and industry, and strategic in nature. Surrendering that and even more access to the Black Sea and the unknown offshore mineral resources there would be folly, and would cripple Ukraine's economy as compared to what it was prior to the Russian invasion.

Even more, the Ukrainians have demonstrated that they are willing to fight for their homeland.

Enough nonsense about capitulation.

@Smokin Joe

You know what would fill MY heart with joy?

It would be to see the US surrender monkeys be FORCED to sign an agreement to move to Ukraine and work for the Soviets if we pull out our forces and military support.

[sneakypete]

Charlie Kirk
@charliekirk11

According  to WaPo, Ukraine’s rocket campaign is "reliant on U.S. precision targeting" So the U.S. is now targeting missiles directly at Russia. Are we even trying to call this a proxy war still, or just war?

8:23 PM · Feb 9, 2023

@Right_in_Virginia

What the hell do YOU care. YOU "win" either way because you are a "Surrender Monkey". If Ukraine is successful at chasing the Neo-Soviets out of Ukraine,you win because you THINK you are no longer at risk.

If the Neo-Soviets win,you are still at no real risk because even if they landed troops on both coasts,you would greet them as saviors and throw them flowers.

[Hoodat]

Charlie Kirk
@charliekirk11

According  to WaPo, Ukraine’s rocket campaign is "reliant on U.S. precision targeting" So the U.S. is now targeting missiles directly at Russia. Are we even trying to call this a proxy war still, or just war?

8:23 PM · Feb 9, 2023

When has a HIMARS rocket struck Russia?

Oops.

[Kamaji]

Charlie Kirk
@charliekirk11

According  to WaPo, Ukraine’s rocket campaign is "reliant on U.S. precision targeting" So the U.S. is now targeting missiles directly at Russia. Are we even trying to call this a proxy war still, or just war?

8:23 PM · Feb 9, 2023

Wow. Putin’s buttcheeks must be getting awfully chapped from all the kissage going on.

[sneakypete]

Wow. Putin’s buttcheeks must be getting awfully chapped from all the kissage going on.

@Kamaji

Don't worry about Pooty-Poot. Like ALL "Maximum Leaders",he is so used to that he would be outraged if it didn't happen all day,every day.

Don't forget that this is a Communist leader that OWNS a private jet AND the "largest private yacht in the world".

Everyone else,of course,are required to be good little comrades,and work for slave wages.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Michael Tracey
@mtracey

Ukraine official says when they fire rockets at Russian targets, the US military is “controlling every shot.” Yet another example of a “previously undisclosed practice that reveals a deeper and more operationally active role for the Pentagon in the war”

Ukraine’s rocket campaign reliant on U.S. precision targeting, officials say
Ukrainian officials say that they almost never launch HIMARS rounds without precise coordinates provided by U.S. military personnel, revealing a more operationally active role for the Pentagon in the...

More:. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/02/09/ukraine-himars-rocket-artillery-russia/

9:09 PM · Feb 9, 2023

[Right_in_Virginia]

Wow. Putin’s buttcheeks must be getting awfully chapped from all the kissage going on.

Michael Tracey
@mtracey

“Pentagon officials declined for days to answer questions about whether and how they provide coordinates for the strikes,” but “a Ukrainian official confirmed that targeting all goes through an American installation on NATO soil”

Don’t worry, nothing to see here, please carry on.

9:12 PM · Feb 9, 2023

[Hoodat]

Michael Tracey
@mtracey

“Pentagon officials declined for days to answer questions about whether and how they provide coordinates for the strikes,” but “a Ukrainian official confirmed that targeting all goes through an American installation on NATO soil”

Don’t worry, nothing to see here, please carry on.

9:12 PM · Feb 9, 2023

Again, when has a HIMARS rocket struck Russia?

[sneakypete]

Michael Tracey
@mtracey

Ukraine official says when they fire rockets at Russian targets, the US military is “controlling every shot.” Yet another example of a “previously undisclosed practice that reveals a deeper and more operationally active role for the Pentagon in the war”

9:09 PM · Feb 9, 2023

@Right_in_Virginia

Are you REALLY THAT FREAKING CLUELESS??????

If not,you should be ashamed of yourself for promoting the continuation of the spread of Communism.

"The Americans are controlling every shot",IF they are controlling every shot,in order to make sure nobody fires a US missile into Russia.

[Right_in_Virginia]

We need a global restraining order against this jackass before he ignites WWIII

"NOW - Zelenskyy: "There is no alternative to Ukraine in NATO." (Video)

https://mobile.twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1626569697465454593

[sneakypete]

We need a global restraining order against this jackass before he ignites WWIII

"NOW - Zelenskyy: "There is no alternative to Ukraine in NATO." (Video)

https://mobile.twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1626569697465454593

@Right_in_Virginia

Of course there is. A Neo-Soviet invasion of eastern Europe,followed by an invasion of mainland Europe after taking time to recover and re-arm.

To be followed by a joint invasion of China and the Neo-Soviet union of the US.

How is your Russia?

[Maj. Bill Martin]

It's blindingly obvious that we've been providing targeting information to the Ukrainians.

That is exactly as it should be, because it helps ensure that the munitions we provide to them are used as effectively as possible against the orcs, destroying their equipment, blasting their C3 and logistics, and killing their troops that currently are within Ukraine.

if the Russians don't like it, they can leave Ukraine.  Otherwise, tough noogies because there's nothing they can do about it.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

@Right_in_Virginia

Of course there is. A Neo-Soviet invasion of eastern Europe,followed by an invasion of mainland Europe after taking time to recover and re-arm.

To be followed by a joint invasion of China and the Neo-Soviet union of the US.

How is your Russia?

If Ukraine falls, the Germans won't lift a finger to help defend NATO members to their east.  More likely just cut their own deal with the Russians.   After that deal, the Russians will go for the Baltics and Poland, and the isolationists here will say we shouldn't get involved.   Our allies and other trying to resist Chinese expansionism will lose faith in us, and cut their own deals with China.

it'll take a decade or so for it all to fall out that way, but it'll happen.  So arming and supporting Ukrainians willing to fight and die to stop Russia's westward expansionism seems by far the wisest and cheapest alternative.

[sneakypete]

If Ukraine falls, the Germans won't lift a finger to help defend NATO members to their east.  More likely just cut their own deal with the Russians.   After that deal, the Russians will go for the Baltics and Poland, and the isolationists here will say we shouldn't get involved.   Our allies and other trying to resist Chinese expansionism will lose faith in us, and cut their own deals with China.

it'll take a decade or so for it all to fall out that way, but it'll happen.  So arming and supporting Ukrainians willing to fight and die to stop Russia's westward expansionism seems by far the wisest and cheapest alternative.

@Maj. Bill Martin


Yup!

It is a basic FACT of human nature that bullies WILL take everything they CAN take as long as you don't stand up to them and make them stop. It is their nature to do this.

Putin is just the head bully in a nation that has been ruled by bullies since 1917. He CAN'T just stop because if he does,the other bullies will remove him from power AND take everything he has stolen from the Russian people all his life.

IF he isn't both totally insane and desperate by  this point,he is smuggling cash  and other assets out of Russia and planning on getting himself and maybe his family out at the same time.

He either wins this war,or he dies if he stays in Russia. He may even  be assassinated if he successfully escapes from Russia because he has made the professional bullies and murderers that have controlled Russia since 1917 look  weak,and weakness is a FATAL flaw in dictators.

And that is what the whole damn Politiboro is,dictators.

If any of you can't wrap your minds around this factoid,consider them to be American Mafia gangsters. Same critters,same methods,same goals.

You can NOT reason with people like this. You can only put them in prison or kill them.

[Kamaji]

If Ukraine falls, the Germans won't lift a finger to help defend NATO members to their east.  More likely just cut their own deal with the Russians.   After that deal, the Russians will go for the Baltics and Poland, and the isolationists here will say we shouldn't get involved.   Our allies and other trying to resist Chinese expansionism will lose faith in us, and cut their own deals with China.

it'll take a decade or so for it all to fall out that way, but it'll happen.  So arming and supporting Ukrainians willing to fight and die to stop Russia's westward expansionism seems by far the wisest and cheapest alternative.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

The complaints about the cost of supplying Ukraine with weapons seem so short-sighted to me.  We have spent trillions over the decades to counter the threat of Russian aggression. This is our chance to degrade tremendously the threat posed by the Russian military, and without the losing the lives of American soldiers in the process.  Weakening China's number one geopolitical ally should be a no-brainer.

On the flip side, successfully standing up to Russia will strengthen our bonds with our own allies, and make us that much more formidable a potential enemy to China.

That seems about as efficient a use of American military spending as I can imagine.

[jmyrlefuller]

Depose both Zelenskyy AND Putin, and put Trump in power. There. Problem solved.

[Hoodat]

We need a global restraining order against this jackass before he ignites WWIII

You mean Putin?  He is the only aggressor here.  I'm not seeing Ukraine invading its neighbors.

[Right_in_Virginia]

You mean Putin? 

Sure.  But don't leave Zelensky free to roam the Earth to fill the coffers of his black hole of corruption masquerading as a country.

Stop both of them.