Why conservatives oppose the war

[Right_in_Virginia]

Why conservatives oppose the war
Substack, Jan 31, 2023, Don Surber



Patrick Buchanan has retired at 84 after a long and influential career as a writer, TV commentator and presidential advisor (Nixon, Ford and Reagan). He saw through George H.W. Bush and later opposed the Gulf War. He opposes the blank check Washington has given Zelensky in this war.

“For us, the greatest stake in this Russia-Ukraine war is not who ends up in control of Luhansk, Donetsk or Kherson, but that we not be drawn into a military conflict that would put us on the escalator to a war with Russia, a world war and perhaps a nuclear war.

“Nothing in Eastern or Central Europe is worth a major U.S. war with Russia that could go nuclear and cost millions of American lives.”

That last sentence is heresy to the hysterical hawks, but the line rings true for conservatives who, after initial rah-rah support for Ukraine, are having second thoughts.

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The reason conservatives are saying no to Ukraine is as simple as ABC.

A is for America First. Why are we so hellbent on protecting its borders when Washington refuses to protect our borders? Our nation is overrun by illegal aliens, gangbangers and fentanyl that this administration allows to come in through an unguarded.

110,000 Americans died last year from drug overdoses last year, another record.

Put America First. Instead of shipping 31 Abrams tanks to Ukraine, place them along our border where they would do the most good for us.

A is also for Afghanistan where this idiot president left billions of dollars worth of U.S. military equipment behind when he surrendered Afghanistan to the Taliban, Now the Taliban is negotiating a sale of that equipment to Russia. U.S. taxpayers likely will pay to arm both sides of this war.

B is for Biden.  We have an impulsive and ignorant commander-in-chief who is a compulsive liar who, depending on the day of the week, is a lifeguard, a truck driver, a college professor or a civil rights leader who marched with Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela.

Robert Gates, Obama’s defense secretary in the Obama administration, once said that Biden has “been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades.” Who am I to argue? Gates voted for him, which shows how much he cares about our country.

C is for Corruption.When the Soviet Union collapsed, the smartest con artists headed to Ukraine because that was where the money was. They became oligarchs, who became rich enough to bribe politicians in America and throughout Europe. They attracted America’s grifting class.

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There also are reasons DEF.


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[Right_in_Virginia]

F is for Freedom.  Except this war is not about freedom. This is about money. When you write a check to Ukraine, a portion of it goes to the friends and family of the Democrat Party’s hierarchy because Ukraine is a corruptocracy with Zelensky being only the latest in a string of front men for some rich oligarch.

F is also for Foolish. Romney tweeted a video, in which he said, “History has taught us that when one country feels they can invade another country with little consequence, violence spreads and we become vulnerable to being pulled into a conflict. Supporting Ukraine is not just the right thing to do, it’s imperative for U.S. national security.”

No, history has taught us that he is a conman.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Reminder:. None of this is our problem.  The borders in Europe have moved back and forth for a thousand years without any help from us.

[DefiantMassRINO]

What does it matter if an American supports or opposes Putin's discretionary war of agression against Ukraine?

I, as someone who came of age during the Cold War, came to define "conservative" as someone who opposed the expansion Soviet and Chi-com influence and aggression around the World.

The US Chamber of Commerce sellout Globalist Republicans traded opposition to the Chi-coms for cheap manufacturing.

The pro-Putin Trumpswab Republicans have traded opposition to Soviet influence for a commiserate ally in the Culture Wars.

After the Soviet Union collapsed and China joined the WTO, Cold War conservatives became relics of an idealogical war that was thought to be over.

I am in opposition to Putin's USSR v2.0 and Xi's Peoples Republic of China.

As long as Ukrainians are willing to bleed and die for their independence and territorial integrity, I believe the West (not America unilaterally) should provide support for Ukraine.

Trading land for peace did not work for Czechoslovakia in 1938 nor in Palestine in 1947.  Putin will not stop with Crimea and Donbas; he doesn't want a couple of slices, he wants the whole cake.

[DB]

What does it matter if an American supports or opposes Putin's discretionary war of agression against Ukraine?

I, as someone who came of age during the Cold War, came to define "conservative" as someone who opposed the expansion Soviet and Chi-com influence and aggression around the World.

The US Chamber of Commerce sellout Globalist Republicans traded opposition to the Chi-coms for cheap manufacturing.

The pro-Putin Trumpswab Republicans have traded opposition to Soviet influence for a commiserate ally in the Culture Wars.

After the Soviet Union collapsed and China joined the WTO, Cold War conservatives became relics of an idealogical war that was thought to be over.

I am in opposition to Putin's USSR v2.0 and Xi's Peoples Republic of China.

As long as Ukrainians are willing to bleed and die for their independence and territorial integrity, I believe the West (not America unilaterally) should provide support for Ukraine.

Trading land for peace did not work for Czechoslovakia in 1938 nor in Palestine in 1947.  Putin will not stop with Crimea and Donbas; he doesn't want a couple of slices, he wants the whole cake.

Well stated and I agree.

[Fishrrman]

Think of the proverbial "Vietnamese village".

The West is eager to let the Ukraine be destroyed in order to save it.

But the Ukraine will not be saved.
It will, however, be destroyed.

To what end?

[Hoodat]

This Conservative opposes the war.  Which is why we should help Ukraine end it.

[Right_in_Virginia]

What does it matter if an American supports or opposes Putin's discretionary war of agression against Ukraine?

It's their treasure being used --- and will be their blood.

I, as someone who came of age during the Cold War, came to define "conservative" as someone who opposed the expansion Soviet and Chi-com influence and aggression around the World.

Sure...just not in our own hemisphere.

As long as Ukrainians are willing to bleed and die for their independence and territorial integrity, I believe the West (not America unilaterally) should provide support for Ukraine.

Why include the US?

How about we let Europe handle their own land disputes as they have for the millinium before we subordinated our own national interests to following Europe from "crisis" to "crisis"?

Putin will not stop with Crimea and Donbas; he doesn't want a couple of slices, he wants the whole cake.

Putin wants guarantees from NATO it will end its expansion around Russia's borders along with unfettered access to its fleet and shipping ports
in the Black Sea.

This should be settled at a negotiating table ....  not by depleting the treasure and military readiness of the United States or by yet another global war authored by Europe.  If Western European leaders don't want to negotiate, how about we just decline to play?

[Hoodat]

Putin wants guarantees from NATO it will end its expansion around Russia's borders along with unfettered access to its fleet and shipping ports
in the Black Sea.

You mean Ukrainian shipping ports.

This should be settled at a negotiating table .

Putin thought otherwise.  His idea of settling it was to invade Ukraine and kill civilians.

[Kamaji]

This Conservative opposes the war.  Which is why we should help Ukraine end it.