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STATEMENT OF THE COURT CONCERNING THE LEAK INVESTIGATION
« on: January 19, 2023, 07:47:22 pm »

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SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
S TATEMENT OF THE COURT
CONCERNING THE LEAK INVESTIGATION

In May 2022, this Court suffered one of the worst
breaches of trust in its history: the leak of a draft opinion.
The leak was no mere misguided attempt at protest. It was
a grave assault on the judicial process. To meet our obliga-
tions as judges, we accept submissions from parties and
amici, we engage advocates at oral argument, and we pub-
lish explanations of our final decisions. All of this we do in
the open. Along the way, though, it is essential that we de-
liberate with one another candidly and in confidence. That
phase of the judicial process affords us an opportunity to
hone initial thoughts, reconsider views, persuade one an-
other, and work collaboratively to strengthen our collective
judgment. It is no exaggeration to say that the integrity of
judicial proceedings depends on the inviolability of internal
deliberations.

For these reasons and others, the Court immediately and
unanimously agreed that the extraordinary betrayal of
trust that took place last May warranted a thorough inves-
tigation. The Chief Justice assigned the task to the Mar-
shal of the Supreme Court and her staff. After months of
diligent analysis of forensic evidence and interviews of al-
most 100 employees, the Marshal’s team determined that
no further investigation was warranted with respect to
many of the “82 employees [who] had access to electronic or
hard copies of the draft opinion.” Marshal’s Report of Find-
ings & Recommendations 11 (Jan. 19, 2023). In following
up on all available leads, however, the Marshal’s team per-
formed additional forensic analysis and conducted multiple
follow-up interviews of certain employees. But the team
has to date been unable to identify a person responsible by
a preponderance of the evidence. Id., at 17. A public ver-
sion of the Marshal’s report is attached.

Recently, this Court consulted Michael Chertoff.
Mr. Chertoff is a former Secretary of Homeland Security,
Judge of the U. S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit,
Assistant Attorney General for the Criminal Division of the
U. S. Department of Justice, and U. S. Attorney for the Dis-
trict of New Jersey. We invited Mr. Chertoff to assess the
Marshal’s investigation. He has advised that the Marshal
“undertook a thorough investigation” and, “[a]t this time, I
cannot identify any additional useful investigative
measures” not already undertaken or underway. State-
ment from Michael Chertoff 1 (2023). A copy of Mr.
Chertoff’s statement is attached.

The Marshal reports that “nvestigators continue to re-
view and process some electronic data that has been col-
lected and a few other inquiries remain pending.” Mar-
shal’s Report 2. “To the extent that additional investigation
yields new evidence or leads, the investigators will pursue
them.” Ibid. The Marshal and her team will continue to
have our full support.

J ANUARY 19, 2023
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Re: S TATEMENT OF THE COURT CONCERNING THE LEAK INVESTIGATION
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2023, 07:59:20 pm »
Two Words.

Bull Shit!
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Re: S TATEMENT OF THE COURT CONCERNING THE LEAK INVESTIGATION
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2023, 08:20:27 pm »
It's gotta be one of the Justices.  Otherwise, a clerk would have been scapegoated.
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Re: S TATEMENT OF THE COURT CONCERNING THE LEAK INVESTIGATION
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2023, 08:30:19 pm »
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Re: S TATEMENT OF THE COURT CONCERNING THE LEAK INVESTIGATION
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2023, 08:31:37 pm »
Two Words.

Bull Shit!

Our institutions of government arguably do a very few things well, but they can always be counted upon to protect their own class against the prying eyes of those they are supposed to serve. And toward that effort, they are now routinely assisted by a news "media" that serves as a Praetorian Guard for the State, rather than the people's watchdog.

So, yes: bullshit is all we should now expect in the absence of a new set of safeguards for our freedom and security. I recall our Declaration of Independence had something to say about that...

The only question I would have is which one of the Justices was responsible for the leak. I would bet a fair sum that it wasn't a clerk at all.
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Re: S TATEMENT OF THE COURT CONCERNING THE LEAK INVESTIGATION
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2023, 08:40:26 pm »
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Either Kegan or Soromayor staffers  They wanted to rile up the base and threaten the other justices  to rule in favor of keeping Roe. This isn’t hard.
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Re: STATEMENT OF THE COURT CONCERNING THE LEAK INVESTIGATION
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2023, 08:48:19 pm »
January 19, 2023 3:33pm EST
Supreme Court leak: Conservatives react to court's inability to find leaker in historic abortion ruling
One person asked 'Can Congress investigate the Supreme Court leak?'

By Adam Sabes | Fox News

Conservatives are reacting to a new report by the U.S. Supreme Court stating that it has been unable to identify the individual who leaked a draft opinion to Politico last year.

The report, released by the U.S. Supreme Court Marshal on Thursday, states that an investigative team hasn't been able to "identify a person responsible by a preponderance of the evidence" who leaked the Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization draft opinion.

George Washington University law professor Jonathan Turley said on Twitter that the court's inability to find the leaker is "chilling."

"The Supreme Court's report indicates that they cannot isolate the culprit among the over 80 possible suspects for the Dobbs leak. It is an admission that is almost as chilling as the leak itself," Turley said.

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/supreme-court-leak-conservatives-react-courts-inability-find-leaker-historic-abortion-ruling
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« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2023, 08:51:57 pm »
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George Washington University law professor Jonathan Turley said on Twitter that the court's inability to find the leaker is "chilling."

:yowsa: But no more so than refusing to hear cases in which they have ORIGINAL Jurisdiction!
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Re: S TATEMENT OF THE COURT CONCERNING THE LEAK INVESTIGATION
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2023, 09:30:12 pm »
Two Words.

Bull Shit!

What should they have done that they didn't do?

80+ people had reason to access to the document in question.  No digital trail of downloading for printing.  Having worked in a law firm where even on larger cases, 80 would be more than should be accessing any case, this type of thing would be almost impossible to figure out.
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Re: STATEMENT OF THE COURT CONCERNING THE LEAK INVESTIGATION
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2023, 09:31:04 pm »
January 19, 2023 3:33pm EST
Supreme Court leak: Conservatives react to court's inability to find leaker in historic abortion ruling
One person asked 'Can Congress investigate the Supreme Court leak?'

By Adam Sabes | Fox News

Conservatives are reacting to a new report by the U.S. Supreme Court stating that it has been unable to identify the individual who leaked a draft opinion to Politico last year.

The report, released by the U.S. Supreme Court Marshal on Thursday, states that an investigative team hasn't been able to "identify a person responsible by a preponderance of the evidence" who leaked the Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization draft opinion.

George Washington University law professor Jonathan Turley said on Twitter that the court's inability to find the leaker is "chilling."

"The Supreme Court's report indicates that they cannot isolate the culprit among the over 80 possible suspects for the Dobbs leak. It is an admission that is almost as chilling as the leak itself," Turley said.

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/supreme-court-leak-conservatives-react-courts-inability-find-leaker-historic-abortion-ruling
It's "chilling" because there is no practical way to prevent it from happening again.

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« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2023, 09:31:43 pm »
What should they have done that they didn't do?

80+ people had access to the document in question.  No digital trail of downloaded for printing.  Having worked in a law firm where even on larger cases, 80 would be more than should be accessing any case, this type of thing would be almost impossible to figure out.

And especially hard if you didn't want to figure it out. There is a trail. It did not leave that building by itself. It was sent by someone and received by someone.
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« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2023, 09:42:18 pm »
And especially hard if you didn't want to figure it out.

Again...what do you say they should have done that they didn't do to discover the person's identity?

FWIW, they likely have it narrowed down to far fewer than 80. The problem is that pinning it on one particular person by a preponderance of the evidence is virtually impossible. I can't even fathom how they would do it.

According to the initial reports, the document looked like someone had taken photos of it with their phone.  Since everybody there can access it, and there's nothing preventing people from bringing in phones, almost anyone could have taken photographs of their computer screen with the case on it.

Exactly how would you discover who that is? The journalist in question isn't going to talk, and the Supreme Court has no way to force them to talk.

I don't know whether they administered mandatory polygraph tests, but even if they did a failed polygraph alone does not constitute proof by preponderance of the evidence. So unless there was some other evidence, even somebody failing a polygraph test doesn't cut it.

If they were really sandbagging, one of the conservative justices would say something. But I never thought from the start of this that they'd ever find who it was given how many people had access to it.
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« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2023, 09:44:09 pm »
And especially hard if you didn't want to figure it out. There is a trail. It did not leave that building by itself. It was sent by someone and received by someone.

How do you think it left the building?

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« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2023, 09:45:32 pm »
Again...what do you say they should have done that they didn't do to discover the person's identity?

FWIW, they likely have it narrowed down to far fewer than 80. The problem is that pinning it on one particular person by a preponderance of the evidence is virtually impossible. I can't even fathom how they would do it.

According to the initial reports, the document looked like someone had taken photos of it with their phone.  Since everybody there can access it, and there's nothing preventing people from bringing in phones, almost anyone could have taken photographs of their computer screen with the case on it.

Exactly how would you discover who that is? The journalist in question isn't going to talk, and the Supreme Court has no way to force them to talk.

I don't know whether they administered mandatory polygraph tests, but even if they did a failed polygraph alone does not constitute proof by preponderance of the evidence. So unless there was some other evidence, even somebody failing a polygraph test doesn't cut it.

If they were really sandbagging, one of the conservative justices would say something. But I never thought from the start of this that they'd ever find who it was given how many people had access to it.

They are allowed to have personal cell phones inside that building? Really? If so, NOTHING there is secure.
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« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2023, 09:46:47 pm »
How do you think it left the building?

I don't know. But it isn't my job to know either. Let's cut to the chase and end this @Maj. Bill Martin you trust them and I don't. The End!
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« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2023, 10:07:11 pm »
Major Martin asks (in seemingly apparent honesty):
"What should they have done that they didn't do?"

Simple:
Require "the 80" to take a lie detector test.
ALL 80 OF THEM.

That was easy.

One other thought:
Could it have been Breyer or one of his clerks?
I'll reckon that none of his former clerks are still working there?

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« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2023, 10:33:52 pm »
They are allowed to have personal cell phones inside that building? Really? If so, NOTHING there is secure.

Yes, they absolutely are, and always have been.  I suppose they might consider changing that now, but it would be a pretty big deal to tell all of the justices and all of their staff that they can't have cell phones with them in the office.  Not sure any of the justices would be willing to go that far. But I'd agree that they should consider it.

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« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2023, 10:36:30 pm »
Major Martin asks (in seemingly apparent honesty):
"What should they have done that they didn't do?"

Simple:
Require "the 80" to take a lie detector test.
ALL 80 OF THEM.

That was easy.

But then what?.  You have to remember that these are all extraordinarily sharp lawyers who know the law.  They all know their rights, and more importantly, they all know the status of polygraphs under federal law.  A polygraph, standing alone, is not enough to prove any fact by a preponderance of the evidence, and you'll note that "preponderance of the evidence" is language specifically included in the courts statement.

In other words, even if one or more people failed the lie detector test, it still wouldn't be enough to "prove" who did it.

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   Proving once again that John Roberts is a pu$$y.
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Of course leaked early, to maximize politcal damage
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« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2023, 10:59:33 pm »
Yes, they absolutely are, and always have been.  I suppose they might consider changing that now, but it would be a pretty big deal to tell all of the justices and all of their staff that they can't have cell phones with them in the office.  Not sure any of the justices would be willing to go that far. But I'd agree that they should consider it.

Are you telling me that they go to the lengths they do to secure that building and then allow everyone who works there to come and go at will with their personal cell phones in tow? If so, I do not believe that for one second.
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« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2023, 12:23:07 am »
I don't know. But it isn't my job to know either. Let's cut to the chase and end this @Maj. Bill Martin you trust them and I don't. The End!

I trust that Clarence Thomas wouldn't take a dive to protect a leaking leftist.

But I also thought right from the outset that they'd likely never catch the person.  I mean, think of it this way.  Virtually every Presidential Administration ever has been bedeviled by embarrassing leaks.  That's both parties.  And they almost never find out who is doing it because it is so damn hard.  Especially if the leaker is smart about it.

I've seen all kind of leaks in law firms, which is about as close as you can get to a court.  And finding out who actually did it often is flat-out impossible.

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« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2023, 12:27:02 am »
Are you telling me that they go to the lengths they do to secure that building and then allow everyone who works there to come and go at will with their personal cell phones in tow? If so, I do not believe that for one second.

Well, I've been in there to meet and greet with three different Justices on three different occasions, and had my phone with me each time. As did at least two of the clerks  in there.  That's true of every courthouse I've ever been in, regardless of how much other physical security they may have.

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« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2023, 12:40:49 am »
Are you telling me that they go to the lengths they do to secure that building and then allow everyone who works there to come and go at will with their personal cell phones in tow? If so, I do not believe that for one second.

I have no problem believing that for a second. Even in federal courts, if one is an attorney, one usually gets to bring one’s cell phone with one.

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« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2023, 01:07:01 am »
Well, I've been in there to meet and greet with three different Justices on three different occasions, and had my phone with me each time. As did at least two of the clerks  in there.  That's true of every courthouse I've ever been in, regardless of how much other physical security they may have.

If that is true, there is not one thing secure in that building despite any claims to the contrary.
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