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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1275 on: January 07, 2023, 05:32:56 am »
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1276 on: January 07, 2023, 05:34:07 am »
Roll With the Changes


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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1277 on: January 07, 2023, 05:34:40 am »
Quote from: Mesaclone on January 07, 2023, 04:42:12 am
Ummm. We are WAYYYY past that now.

I guess not.

Gaetz played it like a harp.

This was take no prisoners negotiation.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1278 on: January 07, 2023, 05:36:38 am »
Quote from: Free Vulcan on January 07, 2023, 05:34:40 am
I guess not.

Gaetz played it like a harp.

This was take no prisoners negotiation.

This is a huge win for Conservatives.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1279 on: January 07, 2023, 05:36:40 am »
   Well at least we got some good concessions out of him instead of doing what the Trumpers wanted here~just fold up shop and let the screwing begin.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1280 on: January 07, 2023, 05:36:55 am »
Quote from: DB on January 07, 2023, 05:31:24 am
Well that isn't McCarthy...

It isn't McCarthy's job.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1281 on: January 07, 2023, 05:38:54 am »
Scalise is the Whip.  He sucks at his job.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1282 on: January 07, 2023, 05:39:58 am »
Quote from: Hoodat on January 07, 2023, 05:38:54 am
Scalise is the Whip.  He sucks at his job.

Big time.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1283 on: January 07, 2023, 05:40:56 am »
Quote from: corbe on January 07, 2023, 05:36:40 am
   Well at least we got some good concessions out of him instead of doing what the Trumpers wanted here~just fold up shop and let the screwing begin.

In the coming weeks, we'll be listening to Sean Hannity boast about all the hard-won Conservative gains, totally oblivious to the fact that he opposed all their actions.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1284 on: January 07, 2023, 05:41:33 am »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on January 07, 2023, 05:39:58 am
Big time.

And now he's getting promoted to Majority Leader.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1285 on: January 07, 2023, 05:44:01 am »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on January 07, 2023, 05:36:55 am
It isn't McCarthy's job.

The Freedom Caucus apparently thinks it's a good idea to have the Speaker in "The World's Best Constructive Straightjacket ", and they got exactly what they wanted.   Now, McCarthy is basically just another member with a fancy title, and the House will be run by the FC's rules.

So if this thing goes off the rails, it'll be on the FC, and every other member of the GOP caucus will know it.  The flip side is that if it goes great, they'll deserve the credit too.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1286 on: January 07, 2023, 05:45:35 am »
   Trump himself will take credit for this marvelous achievement of Republicans Conservatives.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1287 on: January 07, 2023, 05:47:23 am »
"Here it is. The moment Kevin McCarthy became the 53rd Speaker of the House after winning the 15th ballot." (Video)



https://mobile.twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1611596497572732929
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1288 on: January 07, 2023, 05:50:13 am »
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1289 on: January 07, 2023, 05:50:39 am »
Quote from: corbe on January 07, 2023, 05:45:35 am
   Trump himself will take credit for this marvelous achievement of Republicans Conservatives.

McCarthy and Roy should thank him.



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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1290 on: January 07, 2023, 05:54:16 am »
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1291 on: January 07, 2023, 05:56:34 am »
    I seriously doubt that Roy would thank Trump for anything, ever.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1292 on: January 07, 2023, 05:58:41 am »
Sounds like the arrangement of the deck chairs was successfully decided.

Let's sit and listen to the string quartet for a while. They play a lovely tune.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1293 on: January 07, 2023, 06:01:26 am »
Quote from: corbe on January 07, 2023, 05:45:35 am
   Trump himself will take credit for this marvelous achievement of Republicans Conservatives.

Well, he might want to wait until they actual achieve something tangible rather than just symbolic.  Changing rules doesn't do any good unless it improves the eventual legislation.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1294 on: January 07, 2023, 06:03:46 am »
Quote from: Maj. Bill Martin on January 07, 2023, 06:01:26 am
Well, he might want to wait until they actual achieve something tangible rather than just symbolic.  Changing rules doesn't do any good unless it improves the eventual legislation.

The rules changes still have to pass the full House ...
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1295 on: January 07, 2023, 06:06:16 am »
Quote from: corbe on January 07, 2023, 05:21:37 am
    Rosendale as silent as @roamer_1 on a Friday night.

Sorry @corbe ... Once the votes started moving, the fix was in, and the rest of it was a yawner. Besides, tonight was axe and hatchet night... Everything is hair shaving sharp now, all the handles rejuvenated... But I found a rough spot on my kit box latch... so I wound up polishing my knob.  :beer: A little bit lit, and messin with sharp sh*t. That's a good night.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1296 on: January 07, 2023, 06:18:28 am »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on January 07, 2023, 06:03:46 am
The rules changes still have to pass the full House ...

I don't think that will be an issue.  The House needs rules to function, the FC won't vote for the Rules unless they contain all the bargained-for provisions, so it'll all be in there. 

Other than the Holman rule, all those rule changes greatly benefit the party out of power, so the Dems won't put up much of a fight though they'll vote against them just on principle.

And to those who think they won't benefit the Democrats, here's what Matt Rosendale said on the House floor to Maxine Waters:

"Last summer we began to negotiate, a group of us in good faith, a list of changes, amendments, to the rules of this body. Not to empower ourselves, not to bring personal benefit to ourselves, but to empower you and you and you, Maxine, and you, and you, and everyone sitting in this chamber equally," Rosendale said....

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rep-elect-maxine-waters-appears-shouting-match-republicans-house-floor

If you're the party out of power, taking the Speaker's power and dispersing it to all members equally is a massive gift.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1297 on: January 07, 2023, 08:55:49 am »
Jeffries Gavel handover speech was an epic abomination, .....disgusting.

Human garbage is too kind of a description of this piece of work.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1298 on: January 07, 2023, 09:40:55 am »
Quote from: Maj. Bill Martin on January 07, 2023, 06:18:28 am

If you're the party out of power, taking the Speaker's power and dispersing it to all members equally is a massive gift.

More importantly, the faction(s) out of power. Democrats have advanced their agenda under Republican rule, latest under Tumpy, when Republicans controlled both houses... And democrats moved forward anyway.
Who can't push forward would be those factions outside of the cool kids... Namely Conservatives.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1299 on: January 07, 2023, 01:24:05 pm »
Looks like I missed all the fun last night, and now all I have for Saturday morning are the funnies instead of c-span. 
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