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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1500 on: January 09, 2023, 07:55:41 pm »
The way we increase our share of the vote is to show people that we can act responsibly in accordance with our priority of limiting government.  Deliberately steering the train off the tracks to derail things because "doing nothing is good" does the opposite.  We'll lose the swing voters necessary to expand our majority, and we'll never get where we want to go.

Pass those 12 bills, and show it can be done.  Be willing to make reasonable compromises to hold the GOP majority together.  Cut out the over the top rhetoric that bothers that huge segment of the electorate that doesn't follow politics obsessively like we do.  Capitalize on the issues where voters agree with us without sounding like we're just looking to antagonize.  Expand the majority.

The Freedom Caucus has to recognize that once the Speaker is elected, they are no longer the key swing block.  So their goal should be to try to mend fences with those at the other end of the GOP spectrum in Congress, because they are the ones that are going to determine what actually gets passed.  Gaetz' spoiled brat aura won't play well with most people, and is going to lose conservatives support rather the gain it.

Fighting hard isn't enough. We have to fight smart.

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I think that is asking too much for a lot of people. Many people,including some posters here seem to be more interested in ranting and raving about personalities than actually working towards a "fix".
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1501 on: January 09, 2023, 08:00:02 pm »
To nearly this day there's been no fight at all.

That is the point.

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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1502 on: January 09, 2023, 08:04:07 pm »
They'd have been big fans of Burnside's tactics at Fredericksburg.

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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1503 on: January 09, 2023, 08:05:23 pm »
A small group fighting the establishment with a little success might be contagious.

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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1504 on: January 09, 2023, 08:07:22 pm »
A small group fighting the establishment with a little success might be contagious.

I’m hoping their courage will spread to my weak-kneed, mamby-pamby, spineless congressman.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1505 on: January 09, 2023, 08:11:32 pm »
I’m hoping their courage will spread to my weak-kneed, mamby-pamby, spineless congressman.

:yowsa: I'm betting on that happening!
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1506 on: January 09, 2023, 08:25:48 pm »
I’m hoping their courage will spread to my weak-kneed, mamby-pamby, spineless congressman.

Thankfully my Congressman is Paul Gosar.  I like AZ's new guy a lot, Eli Crane!  3 of our guys are part of "The Twenty."
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1507 on: January 09, 2023, 08:36:40 pm »
@Maj. Bill Martin

I think that is asking too much for a lot of people. Many people,including some posters here seem to be more interested in ranting and raving about personalities than actually working towards a "fix".

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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1508 on: January 09, 2023, 08:39:23 pm »
As usual, you're confused.  I never said I was against the Freedom Caucus trying to get some concessions, and some were given before the voting started.  I was against the all-or nothing crapfest it turned into, and in particular, to how a bratty Matt Gaetz turned it into his own personal vendetta.

I don't really know how to be more clear on this.  There were some rules changes I support, and some I opposed both during the process and now.  I've been very consistent on that.

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I may be in error there and got you confused with other posters during the heat of the 15-round battle royale.  My sincere apologies, sir.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1509 on: January 09, 2023, 08:41:10 pm »
They'd have been big fans of Burnside's tactics at Fredericksburg.

Hush yo' mouth!   Burnside was a Yankee.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1510 on: January 09, 2023, 08:55:58 pm »
Hush yo' mouth!   Burnside was a Yankee.

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You misspelled "mouf".
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1511 on: January 09, 2023, 09:02:42 pm »
@Hoodat

You misspelled "mouf".

I stand corrected.   Thank you, suh.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1512 on: January 09, 2023, 09:07:46 pm »
To nearly this day there's been no fight at all.

That is the point.

That is the point. This is more of a sea-change than all of Tump. This is a SERIOUS win. And a hill to die on... BECAUSE it allows the fight. Whether that turns into what is hoped for remains to be seen, But now the possible is possible.

And that has not been true in a long time.

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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1513 on: January 09, 2023, 09:40:04 pm »
Regardless of any changes to the Rules, this House was going to be more conservative than the last because Pelosi/Jeffries aren't in charge.  The question is how much more conservative.  If you want maximum conservative results and not just maximum conservative posturing, we're going to need to see a much more flexible Freedom Caucus than we just saw because majorities can be formed without them.  Is their priority going to be passing the most conservative bills that can be passed, or just being inflexible so they can campaign on "standing strong", regardless of what actually ends up passing?

That is going to be the key to whether or not this whole thing works.

Well said @Maj. Bill Martin  ----- and worth repeating.

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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1514 on: January 09, 2023, 09:50:08 pm »
I never said I was against the Freedom Caucus trying to get some concessions, and some were given before the voting started.  I was against the all-or nothing crapfest it turned into, and in particular, to how a bratty Matt Gaetz turned it into his own personal vendetta.


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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1515 on: January 09, 2023, 10:10:37 pm »
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GOP KY Rep Comer on Fox: I don't believe that they'll ever be any serious threat to Kevin McCarthy’s Speakership. If Kevin McCarthy ever did something so bad that there would be a threat to him vacating the chair, I think we would meet as a conference.

Comer: We would iron it out and, you know, take action accordingly as a conference. But there may there may be one person abuse that on either side of the aisle. But I'm confident Kevin McCarthy will be Speaker for the next two years.

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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1516 on: January 09, 2023, 10:15:41 pm »
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On Fox, GOP Rep Good says “we ought to eliminate all spending that deals with climate radicalism” and “CRT.” Says “even the military should not be getting a blank check.”

On Fox, GOP VA Rep Good says GOPers “have got to be willing use” a gov’t shutdown “as leverage” to reduce spending. Says Hse must “be willing” to threaten a gov’t shutdown

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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1517 on: January 09, 2023, 10:23:14 pm »
On Fox, GOP VA Rep Good says GOPers “have got to be willing use” a gov’t shutdown “as leverage” to reduce spending. Says Hse must “be willing” to threaten a gov’t shutdown

He's right.  Democrats never miss an opportunity to threaten a gov't shutdown to get what they want.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1518 on: January 09, 2023, 10:25:39 pm »
Nothing should get a blank check! Ever!
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1519 on: January 09, 2023, 10:26:48 pm »


Just to be "that guy", I will point out that the photo is literally correct: the word, "Nothing", is indeed written in stone in that picture.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1520 on: January 09, 2023, 10:53:38 pm »
Thank you for pointing that out.  My life is changed forever.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1521 on: January 09, 2023, 10:56:29 pm »
@Maj. Bill Martin

I may be in error there and got you confused with other posters during the heat of the 15-round battle royale.  My sincere apologies, sir.

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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1522 on: January 09, 2023, 11:00:24 pm »
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On Fox, GOP Rep Good says “we ought to eliminate all spending that deals with climate radicalism” and “CRT.” Says “even the military should not be getting a blank check.”

On Fox, GOP VA Rep Good says GOPers “have got to be willing use” a gov’t shutdown “as leverage” to reduce spending. Says Hse must “be willing” to threaten a gov’t shutdown

4:20 PM · Jan 9, 2023

I don't disagree with that, but you've got to ensure you have 218 votes lined up who are willing to go to mat on that particular issue before you do it.  And if you overuse that threat, you won't hold the caucus together.

Just have to be smart about it, and pick issues where public opinion will be on your side as much as possible.

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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1523 on: January 09, 2023, 11:01:24 pm »
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House now in session debating rules package for 118th Congress. These are key provisions which the GOP needs to run the House. The House had been scheduled to vote on the package in the early hours of Saturday morning

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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1524 on: January 09, 2023, 11:02:01 pm »
I don't disagree with that, but you've got to ensure you have 218 votes lined up who are willing to go to mat on that particular issue before you do it.  And if you overuse that threat, you won't hold the caucus together.

Just have to be smart about it, and pick issues where public opinion will be on your side as much as possible.

Agree.