House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread

[Hoodat]

Here's the thing....

Given a Democratic Senate and Democratic President, a GOP House wasn't going to be able to enact any conservative legislation anyway.  We were pretty much going to have an impasse for the next two years no matter what.

My goal isn't to enact Conservative legislation.  My goal is to stop enacting liberal legislation.  Congress doing nothing is a win.

[catfish1957]

I don't even like McCarthy and I'd support him in that.  I just absolutely detest the idea of this 20 trying to dictate to the other 200 members of the caucus.  If the argument is "well, if you can't get to 218 then you really aren't a leader", then that argument applies equally to whomever runs against McCarthy, and can be used by any small faction -- including McCarthy and his 4 supporters -- that doesn't get exactly what they want.  I'd support McCarthy just in principle.

I've said I'd support McCarthy, if he'd accept the FC terms, and govern as a conservative. 

But.....Lots of ancecdotal evidence he'd rather deal with dims.  Prove me otherwise.

[roamer_1]

Here's the thing....

Given a Democratic Senate and Democratic President, a GOP House wasn't going to be able to enact any conservative legislation anyway.  We were pretty much going to have an impasse for the next two years no matter what.

Funny that... Because the liberals advance even when they are out of power.
The RINO problem prevents republican advance even when in power.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

AGREED. Which is why I am a Republican no more. They give lip service to conservative principles when they need to be elected - but that's the only time... Other than a hardy few --- These among them.

I'm totally fine with that.  My point is that if these 20 aren't willing to abide by what the overwhelming majority of the caucus voted for, and are instead making special demands way out of proportions to their numbers, then perhaps they shouldn't have run as Republicans at all in the first place so there wouldn't be any implied obligation to support the majority choice of the caucus.

Gartz himself has used the word "Uniparty", which essentially means he sees no difference between Republicans and Democrats.  Okay, fine.  Then you shouldn't have run as a Republican.

[catfish1957]

My goal isn't to enact Conservative legislation.  My goal is to stop enacting liberal legislation.  Congress doing nothing is a win.

Exactly instead of obstruction, with McCarthy, we'll be hearing garbage with terms like collaboratipn, bi-partisanship, and cooperation.

Is that what Briefers want?  Let's at least get him in on an iron clad committment to stop Biden.   Because all I've heard from him thus far, is mixed signals.

[Free Vulcan]

If McCarthy can't agree with these, then he should have the integrity to resign and become a Democrat.

I applaud Gaetz for his strategy. Actual common sense, whodathunk?

[roamer_1]

And '94 ended up being  eyewash.  Newt folded to Clinton like a cheap tent when the chips were down

Yeah... But there for a minute... And Clinton gets to claim the only time in my lifetime that the government came close to a balanced budget - Though we both know who that really was...

And the fruit from that movement - many of our solid conservatives started right there.

[roamer_1]

I'm totally fine with that.  My point is that if these 20 aren't willing to abide by what the overwhelming majority of the caucus voted for, and are instead making special demands way out of proportions to their numbers, then perhaps they shouldn't have run as Republicans at all in the first place so there wouldn't be any implied obligation to support the majority choice of the caucus.

Gartz himself has used the word "Uniparty", which essentially means he sees no difference between Republicans and Democrats.  Okay, fine.  Then you shouldn't have run as a Republican.

implied obligation is only implied. And if they got railroaded in conference, and got McCarthy shoved down their throats, then the only rebellion they get is right here right now. And more power to em.

And there is no difference between the parties. Other than these hardy few... Exampled by the passage of the latest omnibus that tore the teeth out of the new Republican House. Sabotage that the RINOs facilitated.

Two legs of a single beast, slouching toward Gomorrah.

[catfish1957]

implied obligation is only implied. And if they got railroaded in conference, and got McCarthy shoved down their throats, then the only rebellion they get is right here right now. And more power to em.

I've found the MTG-MCarthy alliance has been especially fascinating. She's either decided to be 100.000% in lockstep with Trump, or after being stripped of committee assignments desperate to get back into good graces with the powers that be (Swamp).

I know, I have lost a lot of respect for some of the garbage she's Tweeted lately.

25 minutes to Daytime Congressional Drama Part III.

[roamer_1]

I've found the MTG-MCarthy alliance has been especially fascinating. She's either decided to be 100.000% in lockstep with Trump, or after being stripped of committee assignments desperate to get back into good graces with the powers that be (Swamp).

I know, I have lost a lot of respect for some of the garbage she's Tweeted lately.

25 minutes to Daytime Congressional Drama Part III.

I never got that excited about MTG to start with. 

[catfish1957]

I never got that excited about MTG to start with. 

I don't know, I sure liked the Heckling she gave Obama at his SOTU address a number of years back.

Man did I ever despise Obama.

[Free Vulcan]

My goal isn't to enact Conservative legislation.  My goal is to stop enacting liberal legislation.  Congress doing nothing is a win.

Yes. create a legislative stalemate. Pass good bills, we know they won't go anywhere but they can say are at least working at it. Block their agenda, stop the spending. It's just getting recycled back to the Rats' campaign coffers. Cut off their money.

Then you can focus on investigations. Expose the Biden crime family completely. Send him over the edge, let the 25 amendment come into play, start a Rat civil war. Expose and impeach his underlings, create total chaos within his admin.

Then use the courts to stop his EO's and the admin's shady practices. Join with the States to frustrate the Rats at every turn.

[roamer_1]

I don't know, I sure liked the Heckling she gave Obama at his SOTU address a number of years back.

Man did I ever despise Obama.

I tend not to get caught up in the drama. I look at actions and record. 

[catfish1957]

I tend not to get caught up in the drama. I look at actions and record. 

Same here, but you got to give red meat to the base.

[Hoodat]

I've found the MTG-MCarthy alliance has been especially fascinating. She's either decided to be 100.000% in lockstep with Trump, or after being stripped of committee assignments desperate to get back into good graces with the powers that be (Swamp).

I know, I have lost a lot of respect for some of the garbage she's Tweeted lately.

25 minutes to Daytime Congressional Drama Part III.

She was on the radio this morning talking about it.  Her claim for supporting McCarthy is because no one else wants the job.  She also claims that McCarthy has learned a lot in the last two years and will move forward with more antagonism towards Democrats.  But if that were really the case, then McCarthy would accept any terms the Conservatives put forth to get his payback.

The one thing that MTG said that made sense was that there was a lot going on behind the scenes and to not listen to the press.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Exactly instead of obstruction, with McCarthy, we'll be hearing garbage with terms like collaboratipn, bi-partisanship, and cooperation.

Is that what Briefers want?  Let's at least get him in on an iron clad committment to stop Biden.   Because all I've heard from him thus far, is mixed signals.

The problem is that the counterpart to the 30 or so members of the Freedom Caucus are more squishy GOP types on the other end who are unwilling to do things like shut down the government or not raise the debt ceiling.  So what is inevitably going to happen is that the hardliners are going to demand things that can't get support from the squishies, and those squishies aren't going to want to shut down the government.   And if the hardliners won't budge, the squishies will end up siding with Democrats, and we'll end up with something worse than if we were willing to compromise a bit.

If we want a more conservative Congress, we have to elect a more conservative Congress.

[oldno7]

I'm totally fine with that.  My point is that if these 20 aren't willing to abide by what the overwhelming majority of the caucus voted for, and are instead making special demands way out of proportions to their numbers, then perhaps they shouldn't have run as Republicans at all in the first place so there wouldn't be any implied obligation to support the majority choice of the caucus.

Gartz himself has used the word "Uniparty", which essentially means he sees no difference between Republicans and Democrats.  Okay, fine.  Then you shouldn't have run as a Republican.

So you favor a Democracy?
Rare poster, constant lurker but I gotta tell ya, I really like how this Constitutional Republic thing works.
I'm enjoying watching a party NOT hijacked by a singular principle of follow the leader and get along to get along.

[catfish1957]

She was on the radio this morning talking about it.  Her claim for supporting McCarthy is because no one else wants the job.  She also claims that McCarthy has learned a lot in the last two years and will move forward with more antagonism towards Democrats.  But if that were really the case, then McCarthy would accept any terms the Conservatives put forth to get his payback.

The one thing that MTG said that made sense was that there was a lot going on behind the scenes and to not listen to the press.

Look up "Snake in the Grass" in Merriam-Webster dictionary.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

She was on the radio this morning talking about it.  Her claim for supporting McCarthy is because no one else wants the job.  She also claims that McCarthy has learned a lot in the last two years and will move forward with more antagonism towards Democrats.  But if that were really the case, then McCarthy would accept any terms the Conservatives put forth to get his payback.

There are 200 other members of that caucus who aren't going to accept all the prime committee slots going to a small group of dissenters.

[catfish1957]

So you favor a Democracy?
Rare poster, constant lurker but I gotta tell ya, I really like how this Constitutional Republic thing works.
I'm enjoying watching a party NOT hijacked by a singular principle of follow the leader and get along to get along.

Good posting.....

 

[Sighlass]

I've found the MTG-MCarthy alliance has been especially fascinating. She's either decided to be 100.000% in lockstep with Trump, or after being stripped of committee assignments desperate to get back into good graces with the powers that be (Swamp).

I know, I have lost a lot of respect for some of the garbage she's Tweeted lately.

She has been catching heck with replies to her posts, eaten alive replies, one after another
... she is certainly not reading what her followers think of her pushing McRino.

[roamer_1]

The problem is that the counterpart to the 30 or so members of the Freedom Caucus are more squishy GOP types on the other end who are unwilling to do things like shut down the government or not raise the debt ceiling.  So what is inevitably going to happen is that the hardliners are going to demand things that can't get support from the squishies, and those squishies aren't going to want to shut down the government.   And if the hardliners won't budge, the squishies will end up siding with Democrats, and we'll end up with something worse than if we were willing to compromise a bit.

They side with the democrats anyway. 

If we want a more conservative Congress, we have to elect a more conservative Congress.

That's right... And we're right back to TEA Party, and stop getting distracted by shiny sh*t...

[roamer_1]

So you favor a Democracy?
Rare poster, constant lurker but I gotta tell ya, I really like how this Constitutional Republic thing works.
I'm enjoying watching a party NOT hijacked by a singular principle of follow the leader and get along to get along.

BUMP THAT! 

[Bigun]

So you favor a Democracy?
Rare poster, constant lurker but I gotta tell ya, I really like how this Constitutional Republic thing works.
I'm enjoying watching a party NOT hijacked by a singular principle of follow the leader and get along to get along.

Gets my nomination for post of the week! @oldno7

[Free Vulcan]

Updated the video link on the Utubes for todays festivities.