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Arizona’s Election Bungle
« on: November 28, 2022, 02:56:02 pm »
 Arizona’s Election Bungle
Once again, the Grand Canyon State is in the headlines for all the wrong reasons.
by Tom Raabe
November 26, 2022, 10:36 PM

What is going on in Arizona?

That is a good question, which spawns a myriad of subquestions: Did the 2022 midterms turn Arizona blue, or at a minimum, purple? Is Arizona where the “stop the steal” movement went to die? Did the midterm election show the toxicity of a Trump endorsement in local general-election races? And how is it that Florida, a state with three times the population of Arizona, can have its votes counted before you go to bed on election night, but it takes Arizona almost two weeks?

Those are all valid questions, but here’s another, more pertinent query: Are Arizona election officials so incompetent that, even after all the problems in the 2020 election and with the eyes of the nation focused on them in the 2022 midterms, they could manage to royally screw up another election?

It turns out, this last question is a rhetorical one.

On election eve, Nov. 7, the vote tabulators at all 223 vote centers in Maricopa County, Arizona’s most populous county, comprising 62 percent of the state’s population, were checked and verified to be working properly. On election day, Nov. 8, in the first 30 minutes of voting, the tabulators started malfunctioning. During the day at least 25 percent of the tabulators were not tabulating votes; the county puts the number at 60 or 70, although others cite a higher figure. One team of Republican lawyers, led by Mark Sonnenklar, a roving attorney with the Republican National Committee’s Election Integrity program in Arizona, visited 115 of the 223 vote centers and found that 72 of them (62.61 percent) “had material problems with the tabulators not being able to tabulate ballots, causing voters to either deposit their ballots into box 3, spoil their ballots and re-vote, or get frustrated and leave the vote center without voting.”

The voters with denied votes were instructed to put their completed ballots in a special place — Box 3 or Door 3, it was called; those ballots would be tabulated later, they were told. However, many of those ballots were mixed with ballots already counted, making it impossible to determine which ballots were yet to be tallied.

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Re: Arizona’s Election Bungle
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2022, 03:11:20 pm »
Maricopa has moved up certification to this a.m. just before they are required to disclose their election practices to the courts as part of the lawsuit I think by the Lake campaign.

Did anyone even try to get an injunction to stop them?
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Re: Arizona’s Election Bungle
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2022, 03:13:00 pm »
I don't believe it was "bungled".

Those in charge got what they wanted.

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Re: Arizona’s Election Bungle
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2022, 03:21:23 pm »
Should have fixed 2020.

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Re: Arizona’s Election Bungle
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Re: Arizona’s Election Bungle
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2022, 11:48:48 pm »
Title and presumption:
"Arizona’s Election Bungle"

Off the rails right from the title.

It WASN'T "a bungle".
It was "a controlled ending".
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Re: Arizona’s Election Bungle
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2022, 11:49:57 pm »
Can't be fixed.

Oh, it could be fixed. But the American people are not yet ready to take that step.
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Re: Arizona’s Election Bungle
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2022, 11:55:12 pm »
Oh, it could be fixed. But the American people are not yet ready to take that step.

Well, alright - But the idea that the election could be overturned otherwise is false. Once it is certified it is pretty well set in stone. And while there are means, the deck is stacked terrifically against messing with the certification... on purpose.

So in real terms, once it has been certified, the only recourse is to change the laws before the next election, and to charge people criminally for messin with it. But the election itself will stand.
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Re: Arizona’s Election Bungle
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2022, 11:59:53 pm »
Oh, it could be fixed. But the American people are not yet ready to take that step.

No they are not yet,  though I believe that is what the DEMS truly want; an uprising. An uprising so that they can declare martial law and start massive gun confiscation and incarcerations.
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Re: Arizona’s Election Bungle
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2022, 12:03:24 am »
Well, alright - But the idea that the election could be overturned otherwise is false. Once it is certified it is pretty well set in stone. And while there are means, the deck is stacked terrifically against messing with the certification... on purpose.

So in real terms, once it has been certified, the only recourse is to change the laws before the next election, and to charge people criminally for messin with it. But the election itself will stand.

There will be no change in the laws to address the problem. Enough of the Republicans will join with the Democrats to make sure of that.
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« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2022, 12:04:09 am »
No they are not yet,  though I believe that is what the DEMS truly want; an uprising. An uprising so that they can declare martial law and start massive gun confiscation and incarcerations.

The Dems may truly want it, but I don't think they will like it once they get it.
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Re: Arizona’s Election Bungle
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2022, 12:17:53 am »
There will be no change in the laws to address the problem. Enough of the Republicans will join with the Democrats to make sure of that.

That's pretty much it. If The Gateway Pundit is correct, the Maricopa county ballots were counted at the same printers that made the ballots with little to no oversight or scrutiny.

Apparently these ballot readers cost around a cool $1M. Question is - why does the printer have one? Doesn't seem like a great return on investment.

And the problems were with election night votes, so mail-ins or any other non-poll ballot was the problem. If they're gonna fix this, they need to start with the counting before anything else.
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« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2022, 12:18:38 am »
There will be no change in the laws to address the problem. Enough of the Republicans will join with the Democrats to make sure of that.

Feds have no authority in it. That is wholly the prerogative of state legislatures. And yes, laws were tightened, and prosecutions made. Not everywhere, of course. It is a state-by-state issue.

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Re: Arizona’s Election Bungle
« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2022, 12:24:11 am »
Feds have no authority in it. That is wholly the prerogative of state legislatures. And yes, laws were tightened, and prosecutions made. Not everywhere, of course. It is a state-by-state issue.

Sorry, where did I mention "Feds"?  To make it more clear: enough of the Republicans in Arizona will join with the Democrats in Arizona to make sure of that.
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« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2022, 12:31:45 am »
Sorry, where did I mention "Feds"?  To make it more clear: enough of the Republicans in Arizona will join with the Democrats in Arizona to make sure of that.

Perhaps. But that is only effecting Arizona.

However, your point is well taken. Continuing to vote in RINOs has made the Republicans toothless at best... And traitorous just as likely.

I have been saying that all the way along.

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Re: Arizona’s Election Bungle
« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2022, 02:09:55 am »
Well, alright - But the idea that the election could be overturned otherwise is false. Once it is certified it is pretty well set in stone. And while there are means, the deck is stacked terrifically against messing with the certification... on purpose.

So in real terms, once it has been certified, the only recourse is to change the laws before the next election, and to charge people criminally for messin with it. But the election itself will stand.
Nope. that isn't the only recourse. It's just the one that isn't messy.
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Re: Arizona’s Election Bungle
« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2022, 02:13:18 am »
Sorry, where did I mention "Feds"?  To make it more clear: enough of the Republicans in Arizona will join with the Democrats in Arizona to make sure of that.
And in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Georgia, etc. As long as the machines are corrupted, there will be fraud. As long as the process is done in abstentia, there will be fraud.

Vote in person.
On election day.
Paper ballots.
Voter ID.
Proof of residence.
Only exception is for the deployed military.

otherwise, nothing will change.
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Re: Arizona’s Election Bungle
« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2022, 02:33:29 am »
And in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Georgia, etc. As long as the machines are corrupted, there will be fraud. As long as the process is done in abstentia, there will be fraud.

Vote in person.
On election day.
Paper ballots.
Voter ID.
Proof of residence.
Only exception is for the deployed military.

otherwise, nothing will change.


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Re: Arizona’s Election Bungle
« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2022, 03:09:45 pm »
And in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Georgia, etc. As long as the machines are corrupted, there will be fraud. As long as the process is done in abstentia, there will be fraud.

Vote in person.
On election day.
Paper ballots.
Voter ID.
Proof of residence.
Only exception is for the deployed military.

otherwise, nothing will change.

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« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2022, 10:44:16 pm »
No, TRUTH.

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« Reply #22 on: November 30, 2022, 02:28:24 am »
Does the fight you won't run from exist?

Sure... The ones that work... The ones that have standing.

And more ad hominem.... It's all you've got.  :seeya:

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« Reply #23 on: November 30, 2022, 03:12:56 am »
Sure... The ones that work... The ones that have standing.

And more ad hominem.... It's all you've got.  :seeya:

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