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Online rangerrebew

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Climate Tipping Points: Real Threats or Misinformation?
« on: November 24, 2022, 01:00:36 pm »
November 22, 2022
Climate Tipping Points: Real Threats or Misinformation?

It seems like there is another strident climate "tipping point" headline every other day. 

Threats of irreversible catastrophic climate change just around the corner.

The truth is that such claims by some media outlets and climate activists are contrary to the best science.

An attempt to sow worry and panic, with the motivation to motivate people to "do the right thing."  And it is both unethical and counterproductive.

https://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2022/11/climate-tipping-points-real-threats-or.html
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Re: Climate Tipping Points: Real Threats or Misinformation?
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2022, 06:25:07 pm »
Do they exist in the phase space for the dynamical system that governs the earth's climate?  Yes.  Are they just around the corner?  No one knows. 

Actually their existence and the possibility that whatever actually has driven recent changes in climate -- almost certainly a combination of natural climate cycles, greenhouse gas emissions, and other the universally ignored human influences, aggregate urban heat-island effect and deposition of soot on ice packs, both polar and alpine -- we have already passed one is an argument for throwing massive amounts of effort and money at adaptation, rather than seeking to suppress the presumed cause in CO2 and CH4 emissions.  Things like ag research on growing crops in hotter drier, hotter wetter, colder drier and colder wetter climates than we now use for growing most food, water projects to move water for irrigation and other human use from areas getting too much rainfall to those experiencing drought, encouraging improved insulation in building construction (which is adaptive, long-term economical, as well as addressing what the alarmists favor as the explanation),... should be getting the money being tossed at "green energy" (a complete boondogle even if on believes in "decarbonizing" the energy economy -- the only serious way to do that is nuclear power.)
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Re: Climate Tipping Points: Real Threats or Misinformation?
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2022, 06:28:38 pm »
Total BS.

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Re: Climate Tipping Points: Real Threats or Misinformation?
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2022, 10:22:44 pm »
Title and premise:
"Climate Tipping Points: Real Threats or Misinformation?"

Neither.
They are outright lies, nothing less.

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Re: Climate Tipping Points: Real Threats or Misinformation?
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2022, 01:45:12 pm »
Title and premise:
"Climate Tipping Points: Real Threats or Misinformation?"

Neither.
They are outright lies, nothing less.

Alas, no.  They exist for precisely the reason that climate models are complete rubbish:  the dynamics of the earth's atmosphere are governed by non-linear differential equations, which means long-term prediction is impossible without complete, perfect knowledge of current conditions and all inputs, something that simply cannot be had.  The problem is that holding them out as threats is pointless, since no one has any idea what they are, whether we're approaching one, whether we haven't already passed one, or what directing the change will run if we pass one.   See my post up thread.

As an example of the last possibility, all glacial periods were preceded by period of warming.  There is a suggestion that this is because the shut-down of thermohaline currents due to ice melt desalinating the oceans near the poles results in a sudden refreezing of the poles, and massive snowfalls on land in the Northern Hemisphere.  (Thus my call for ag research to improve crop yields in all possible more extreme climates.)

The only rational response to noticing the climate is changing is to realize we should work on adapting to more extreme climates.
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