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Trump vs. DeSantis: How the two GOP heavyweights match up
« on: November 19, 2022, 03:27:42 pm »
Trump vs. DeSantis: How the two GOP heavyweights match up

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3740984-trump-vs-desantis-how-the-two-gop-heavyweights-match-up/

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Two years out from the next presidential election, the leading contenders on the Republican side are already clear.

At this early stage, it’s a two-horse race between former President Trump and Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis.

Trump launched his 2024 campaign at Mar-a-Lago on Tuesday. He is aiming to avenge his 2020 defeat and become the first president since Grover Cleveland to serve nonconsecutive terms.

DeSantis won a resounding victory in his reelection battle on Election Day, crushing his Democratic opponent, Charlie Crist, by about 20 points. The result sent a powerful signal about his likely electability in 2024.

There is one obvious difference between the two. DeSantis has not yet said he will seek the presidency.

If he does, he would plainly be Trump’s most serious rival.

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DeSantis has been catapulted past Trump in several polls after Trump suffered a poor outcome in the midterms.

A number of the former president’s high-profile endorsees lost. Several party figures, including Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan and former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, have suggested Trump is harming the party’s brand.

The popularity shift from Trump to DeSantis was especially stark in several polls commissioned in early primary states by the conservative Club for Growth.

A poll in Iowa put DeSantis 11 points clear of Trump, a marked turnaround from a similar poll in August when the Florida governor had been behind by 15 points.

In the most recent poll in New Hampshire, DeSantis led by around 15 points, despite the two candidates having been tied in August.

National polls point in a similar direction.

An Economist-YouGov poll this week indicated that 46 percent of Republican voters would prefer DeSantis to be the nominee, compared to 39 percent who would favor Trump.

The Economist poll also exposed Trump’s Achilles’ heel: the sheer number of people who dislike him.


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Re: Trump vs. DeSantis: How the two GOP heavyweights match up
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2022, 05:59:01 pm »
Polls are polls and are manipulated by the MSM.  DeSantis has not announced that he is running. I don't think he'll run in '24, especially with Trump announcing.

Cruz also stated that he wouldn't run against Trump.

Trump selecting either DeSantis or Cruz as a running mate would be extremely helpful to seating a GOP in '24 -- just my opinion.
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Re: Trump vs. DeSantis: How the two GOP heavyweights match up
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2022, 06:03:07 pm »
Polls are polls and are manipulated by the MSM.  DeSantis has not announced that he is running. I don't think he'll run in '24, especially with Trump announcing.

Cruz also stated that he wouldn't run against Trump.

Trump selecting either DeSantis or Cruz as a running mate would be extremely helpful to seating a GOP in '24 -- just my opinion.

Both would be fools to accept the invite.

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Re: Trump vs. DeSantis: How the two GOP heavyweights match up
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2022, 06:11:14 pm »
Both would be fools to accept the invite.

I disagree.  In as much as I seriously take issue with Trump currently attacking conservatives, selecting either would unite the party which is needed, BIGLY! 

Do I think Trump should pass the baton and the MAGA movement to a younger, more conservative Republican with less baggage? Absolutely. I believe the GOP needed another candidate running in the primaries, but, Trump has already announced he's running. Any conservative running against him will only splinter the party and that is the last thing that the GOP needs.

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Re: Trump vs. DeSantis: How the two GOP heavyweights match up
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2022, 06:28:31 pm »
There is currently no Trump vs DeSantis race but the Democrats and their propaganda arm (MSM) are sure as hell trying to foment one!
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Re: Trump vs. DeSantis: How the two GOP heavyweights match up
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2022, 07:24:19 pm »
Both would be fools to accept the invite.

It would be foolish to invite either onto a national ticket.

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Re: Trump vs. DeSantis: How the two GOP heavyweights match up
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2022, 08:28:00 pm »
There is currently no Trump vs DeSantis race but the Democrats and their propaganda arm (MSM) are sure as hell trying to foment one!

Over the next 18 months, the Dems will do whatever it takes to prop up Trump as the GOP candidate.  After that, all hell breaks loose.  Trump is their best shot at keeping the White House.
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Re: Trump vs. DeSantis: How the two GOP heavyweights match up
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2022, 08:52:33 pm »
   Neither of these two are stupid enough to hitch aboard the Trump Train.  He is a Political Career ender.   ie....Pence.
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Re: Trump vs. DeSantis: How the two GOP heavyweights match up
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2022, 10:34:16 pm »
Both would be fools to accept the invite.

That's right. Cruz has almost damaged himself irreparably over his support for Tump.

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Re: Trump vs. DeSantis: How the two GOP heavyweights match up
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2022, 10:46:42 pm »
I disagree.  In as much as I seriously take issue with Trump currently attacking conservatives, selecting either would unite the party which is needed, BIGLY! 


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Unity around false principles is doom.

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Re: Trump vs. DeSantis: How the two GOP heavyweights match up
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2022, 10:55:43 pm »
Unity for the sake of unity, or for the sake of a man is wrong.
Unity around false principles is doom.

If you want unity, the Principles of Conservatism await.

Point taken.
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Re: Trump vs. DeSantis: How the two GOP heavyweights match up
« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2022, 11:05:13 pm »
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Re: Trump vs. DeSantis: How the two GOP heavyweights match up
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2022, 03:10:02 am »
   Neither of these two are stupid enough to hitch aboard the Trump Train.  He is a Political Career ender.   ie....Pence.

Trump didn't end Pence's political career ---- Pence did.

There's a civil war blazing for the soul of he Republican party and "ie.... Pence" has chosen the wrong side----he's decided to swim in the deep end of the corrupt, Uniparty swamp.  Pence will never get this stench off himself;  and he has only himself to blame.

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« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2022, 03:16:00 am »
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That's right. Cruz has almost damaged himself irreparably over his support for Tump.

Nope.  Cruz damaged himself by not supporting Trump.  "Vote your conscience" was a deep, self-infliicted political wound. 

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« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2022, 02:08:29 pm »
Nope.  Cruz damaged himself by not supporting Trump.  "Vote your conscience" was a deep, self-infliicted political wound.

So remind me again who's still in office as a U.S. Senator from Texas and who is wallowing in political exile as a disgraced ex-President?
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Re: Trump vs. DeSantis: How the two GOP heavyweights match up
« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2022, 02:26:09 pm »
Polls are polls and are manipulated by the MSM.  DeSantis has not announced that he is running. I don't think he'll run in '24, especially with Trump announcing.

 

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Why WOULD he run,when chances are Trump will pick him for his VP,and he ends up spending 3 terms in the WH anyhow,with two of them as President?

Or he could just wait out the end of Trump's one term as the Gov of Florida,and THEN run?

He HAS to know that he runs against Trump it is going to cost him a LOT of the votes he would have gotten if he hadn't.

Mine will be one of them. I would vote Dim before I would vote for him if he does that.



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Re: Trump vs. DeSantis: How the two GOP heavyweights match up
« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2022, 02:31:34 pm »
Over the next 18 months, the Dems will do whatever it takes to prop up Trump as the GOP candidate.  After that, all hell breaks loose.  Trump is their best shot at keeping the White House.

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The scary part is you really do believe that.
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Re: Trump vs. DeSantis: How the two GOP heavyweights match up
« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2022, 02:35:31 pm »
Trump didn't end Pence's political career ---- Pence did.

 

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Yeah,but what the hell,let's blame it on Trump,anyhow!

After all,you DO know he is rude,right?

What we need in Presidential politics is more manners. Candidates should not call each other names or make implications as to wrong doing.

To quote that famous 'murikan Rodney King,"Ca....ca....cain't we all juz gitalong?"

HEY! Is Rodney doing anything these days? Maybe we can get him to run?
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Re: Trump vs. DeSantis: How the two GOP heavyweights match up
« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2022, 02:36:40 pm »
@Hoodat

The scary part is you really do believe that.
I believe it as well....

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Re: Trump vs. DeSantis: How the two GOP heavyweights match up
« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2022, 02:37:40 pm »
So remind me again who's still in office as a U.S. Senator from Texas and who is wallowing in political exile as a disgraced ex-President?


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WHOA,MISSY! That one really blew your skirts up and revealed you as the Pence follower you are.

Which explains a lot about you.
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Re: Trump vs. DeSantis: How the two GOP heavyweights match up
« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2022, 02:44:13 pm »
So remind me again who's still in office as a U.S. Senator from Texas and who is wallowing in political exile as a disgraced ex-President?
The really sad part is that I used to really like Pence.  I like Cruz as well but my brother tells me that his friends that work for Cruz say he's quite obnoxious.

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Re: Trump vs. DeSantis: How the two GOP heavyweights match up
« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2022, 02:48:29 pm »
The really sad part is that I used to really like Pence.  I like Cruz as well but my brother tells me that his friends that work for Cruz say he's quite obnoxious.

Ted Cruz is wicked smart and doesn't tolerate a lot of BS. Some people think that to be obnoxious but I'm not one of those people.
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Re: Trump vs. DeSantis: How the two GOP heavyweights match up
« Reply #22 on: November 27, 2022, 02:58:41 pm »

@Timber Rattler

WHOA,MISSY! That one really blew your skirts up and revealed you as the Pence follower you are.

Which explains a lot about you.

Yeah, so what?  I like Mike Pence too.  He's got courage, and more importantly, integrity, which is a completely foreign concept to mob boss Trump.
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« Reply #23 on: November 27, 2022, 03:23:17 pm »
Yeah, so what?  I like Mike Pence too.  He's got courage, and more importantly, integrity, which is a completely foreign concept to mob boss Trump.

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That's funny!

BTW,both Stalin and Hitler had courage and integrity.
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Re: Trump vs. DeSantis: How the two GOP heavyweights match up
« Reply #24 on: November 27, 2022, 03:50:39 pm »
So remind me again who's still in office as a U.S. Senator from Texas and who is wallowing in political exile as a disgraced ex-President?

Disgraced can mean so many different things in politics.

That disgraced ex-president is the guy who garnered 80 plus million votes in the 2020 presidential race, only to have it stolen from him.  So, yeah, Trump’s not in office.  But, I wouldn’t count him out if I were you.  Trump 2024.