Zelensky urges West to hit Kremlin if Russia attacks his office

[Right_in_Virginia]

Zelensky urges West to hit Kremlin if Russia attacks his office
i24 News, Oct 23, 2022



Ukraine’s president Volodymyr Zelensky in an interview with Canadian media on Sunday said that the West should strike the Kremlin if Russia attacks the presidential office in Kyiv.

Speaking with Canadian CTV News and CBC Television, Zelensky said that Russia “doesn’t understand anything other than force.”

“If their message is that there will be a strike on the decision-making center (of Ukraine), the answer of the world should be the following: 'Look, if you hit Bankova (the street in Kyiv where the presidential office is located) there will be a strike on where you are. If you do this, then in a second, regardless of the result of your attack, there will be a strike on the decision-making center of your state,'” Zelensky suggested.


https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/ukraine-conflict/1666506664-zelensky-urges-west-to-hit-kremlin-if-russia-attacks-his-office

[libertybele]

Ukraine v. Russia or Russia V. Ukraine, however you look at it, it is THEIR war!

[Right_in_Virginia]

Ukraine v. Russia or Russia V. Ukraine, however you look at it, it is THEIR war!

 

[deb]

Ukraine v. Russia or Russia V. Ukraine, however you look at it, it is THEIR war!

Yep. I don’t want our troops there and I’m sick of the unaccounted for billions this administration has given them.

[libertybele]

Yep. I don’t want our troops there and I’m sick of the unaccounted for billions this administration has given them.

Amen!!   

[Hoodat]

The key thing missing from this story is an actual interview with Canadian media.  This is what happens when you rely on some idiot's Twitter post for a news source.

Here is the sole source of this story:

https://twitter.com/gchahal/status/1584253096204521474

[Idiot]

Zelensky urges West to hit Kremlin if Russia attacks his office
i24 News, Oct 23, 2022



Ukraine’s president Volodymyr Zelensky in an interview with Canadian media on Sunday said that the West should strike the Kremlin if Russia attacks the presidential office in Kyiv.

Speaking with Canadian CTV News and CBC Television, Zelensky said that Russia “doesn’t understand anything other than force.”

“If their message is that there will be a strike on the decision-making center (of Ukraine), the answer of the world should be the following: 'Look, if you hit Bankova (the street in Kyiv where the presidential office is located) there will be a strike on where you are. If you do this, then in a second, regardless of the result of your attack, there will be a strike on the decision-making center of your state,'” Zelensky suggested.


https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/ukraine-conflict/1666506664-zelensky-urges-west-to-hit-kremlin-if-russia-attacks-his-office

This is NOT our war!

[Wingnut]

Time to cut bait.  The fish ain't biting at this hole.

[Hoodat]

This is NOT our war!

Not Zelenskiy's words, either.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Not Zelenskiy's words, either.

'If Russia strikes Presidential office in Kyiv, the West needs to hit Russian decision making center, - @ZelenskyyUa in an interview to @CTV and @CBC'  (Video)

https://mobile.twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1583902783610101760

[Hoodat]

'If Russia strikes Presidential office in Kyiv, the West needs to hit Russian decision making center, - @ZelenskyyUa in an interview to @CTV and @CBC'  (Video)

https://mobile.twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1583902783610101760

Again, not Zelenskiy's words.  Your second tweet essentially repeats the first one.  Even the subtitles provided in the second tweet do not match the claim made.  Zelenskiy did not say "the West needs to hit Russian decision making center".  It is a lie.  Stop posting lies on this forum.

Rather than peddling some random person's tweets as a legitimate news source, perhaps for accuracy's sake, going to the source would yield truth:  https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/volodymyr-zelenskyy-ukraine-russia-1.6622576

Or perhaps you prefer propaganda over truth.

[Hoodat]

Here's the CTV interview:  https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/truly-grateful-zelenskyy-thanks-canada-for-military-support-accuses-iran-of-lies-after-drone-attacks-1.6115895

[Right_in_Virginia]

Again, not Zelenskiy's words.  Your second tweet essentially repeats the first one.  Even the subtitles provided in the second tweet do not match the claim made.  Zelenskiy did not say "the West needs to hit Russian decision making center".  It is a lie.  Stop posting lies on this forum.

Calm down there, Sparky.  The source of the tweet and video I posted is a Ukranian patriot.  If you don't agree with him, let him know.
Anton Gerashchenko
@Gerashchenko_en

As for you ----- wow Sparks, you're dangeling off the ledge by a thread.  Hopefully, someone who knows you will see this and agree you need a swift intervention to release you from this all-consuming, obsessive man crush you have on the thug known as Zelensky.   

[libertybele]

This is NOT our war!

Exactly.  This is a Russia/Ukraine war.  A war that has been going on for decades.  If anything Joe exacerbated the war by giving billions to Zelensky.  Zelensky pleading with the West to step in is in essence escalating tensions which could easily lead to WWIII.

Let them fight their own darn war.  We need to take care of our own country which is seeing higher gas prices and empty shelves.

I've mentioned it before, we could take some of the billions given to Zelensky and secure our own darn borders!!!!! 

[Hoodat]

Calm down there, Sparky.  The source of the tweet and video I posted is a Ukranian patriot.  If you don't agree with him, let him know.
Anton Gerashchenko

That's really beautiful and all.  But it doesn't change the FACT that Zelenskiy never said those words.  It is a lie.  A lie which you repeated again, knowing it was a lie.  Gerashchenko isn't the person posting it here.  You are.

As for you ----- wow Sparks, you're dangeling off the ledge by a thread.  Hopefully, someone who knows you will see this and agree you need a swift intervention to release you from this all-consuming, obsessive man crush you have on the thug known as Zelensky.   

Uh, the only thing I have a crush for here is the TRUTH.  As for obsession, it is YOU who is consumed with Zelenskiy.  It is the only subject you post about here.  I am far more interested in the process of the war, which my numerous posts here attest.

For the record, YOU are the one who initiated the Zelenskiy topic.  Not me.  And if you had posted something truthful for a refreshing change, then I wouldn't have had to call you out yet again for posting lies (which doesn't seem to bother you in the least).

I am sure Zelenskiy makes dozens of mistakes every day.  Why not cite him for something he actually did instead of parroting something that someone else tweeted?  Better yet, why not check the accuracy of your sources before posting?  And finally, why not show some integrity by acknowledging when something is proven not to be true?

[Kamaji]

The Budapest Memorandum

Or are we to conclude that the U.S. is just one more chickensh*t banana republic that welches on its promises?

[Hoodat]

Exactly.  This is a Russia/Ukraine war.  A war that has been going on for decades.  If anything Joe exacerbated the war by giving billions to Zelensky.

If one-third of the billions that Joe says he gave Ukraine had actually been given to Ukraine, this war would probably be over.

Zelensky pleading with the West to step in is in essence escalating tensions

Escalating tensions?  Is that how it worked for Ethiopia in 1936?  Selassie asking the West for help is what escalated WWII?  If history is any measure, the exact opposite is true.  The West sitting on their hands and doing nothing is what escalated WWII.  Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.  Personally, I would rather give Ukraine what is needed to destroy the Russian Army now instead of getting pushed into a corner later because we demonstrated diplomatic weakness to the rest of the world.

Let them fight their own darn war.  We need to take care of our own country which is seeing higher gas prices and empty shelves.

The whole point is to let them fight their own war.  Ukraine has simply asked for the weapons to achieve this.  I personally have no problem doing that.  Unfortunately for Ukraine, the person occupying the White House disagrees. 

I've mentioned it before, we could take some of the billions given to Zelensky and secure our own darn borders!!!!! 

A wall from San Diego to Brownsville could have been built for what has been given to the State Department and USAID alone.  Of course not a dime of that money went towards providing weapons for Ukraine.

It is in the best interests of the United States for Ukraine to win this war quickly.  Which is why our treasonous White House is doing everything it can to delay that from happening.

[libertybele]

If one-third of the billions that Joe says he gave Ukraine had actually been given to Ukraine, this war would probably be over.


Escalating tensions?  Is that how it worked for Ethiopia in 1936?  Selassie asking the West for help is what escalated WWII?  If history is any measure, the exact opposite is true.  The West sitting on their hands and doing nothing is what escalated WWII.  Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.  Personally, I would rather give Ukraine what is needed to destroy the Russian Army now instead of getting pushed into a corner later because we demonstrated diplomatic weakness to the rest of the world.


The whole point is to let them fight their own war.  Ukraine has simply asked for the weapons to achieve this.  I personally have no problem doing that.  Unfortunately for Ukraine, the person occupying the White House disagrees. 


A wall from San Diego to Brownsville could have been built for what has been given to the State Department and USAID alone.  Of course not a dime of that money went towards providing weapons for Ukraine.

It is in the best interests of the United States for Ukraine to win this war quickly.  Which is why our treasonous White House is doing everything it can to delay that from happening.

Our gov't should have kept their nose out since the beginning period.  This isn't our war.  IF the U.S.'s best interest is to end thiss war quickly, then obviously that time frame was missed.  535 members of Congress are continuing to add fuel to this fire ... GOP included.

[Right_in_Virginia]

If one-third of the billions that Joe says he gave Ukraine had actually been given to Ukraine, this war would probably be over.

You have no idea what you're spewing about.   None. 

[Hoodat]

535 members of Congress are continuing to add fuel to this fire ... GOP included.

Weakness is the only thing fueling this fire.  If Russia thinks they can win, they will continue.  When Russia realizes it is going to lose and lose badly, they will end their war.  As long as the US vacillates, Russia will continue it's aggression.

[Right_in_Virginia]

The Budapest Memorandum

Or are we to conclude that the U.S. is just one more chickensh*t banana republic that welches on its promises?

@Cllint Ehrlich
@ClintEhrlich

Ukraine never received a U.S. defense commitment in exchange for giving up its nuclear weapons.

That's *why* the Budapest Memorandum wasn't a treaty that required Senate ratification.

People are altering history in an attempt to make nuclear war a moral obligation.

7:02 PM · Oct 26, 2022  ·Twitter Web App

[Right_in_Virginia]

The Budapest Memorandum

Or are we to conclude that the U.S. is just one more chickensh*t banana republic that welches on its promises?

Clint Ehrlich
@Clint Ehrlich

Another important point: Ukraine never had the power to use the nuclear weapons on its territory.

They were equipped with PALs (Permissive Action Links) that would have disabled them if tampered with.

Ukraine "gave up" nuclear weapons that were actually controlled by Moscow.


7:11 PM · Oct 26, 2022   Twitter Web App

[GtHawk]

The Budapest Memorandum

Or are we to conclude that the U.S. is just one more chickensh*t banana republic that welches on its promises?

Ask Hungary, they know the answer.

[Hoodat]

@Cllint Ehrlich
@ClintEhrlich

Ukraine never received a U.S. defense commitment in exchange for giving up its nuclear weapons.

And that makes it OK for Russia to invade neighboring countries, annex their territory, prioritize civilians as military targets, commit widespread atrocities, force relocation of children outside of their home country, and the torture, rape, and murder of civilians?

The only thing that matters regarding the Budapest Memorandum is that the Russian Federation is in egregious violation of it.  Which is why you posted the strawman above.

People are altering history in an attempt to make nuclear war a moral obligation.

Uh, the only entity here threatening nuclear war is Russia.  Let's try to stick with the facts here.

[Hoodat]

Memorandum on Security Assurances in Connection with Ukraine’s
Accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons

Ukraine, the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America,

Welcoming the accession of Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons as a non-nuclear-weapon State,

Taking into account the commitment of Ukraine to eliminate all nuclear weapons from its territory within a specified period of time,

Noting the changes in the world-wide security situation, including the end of the cold war, which have brought about conditions for deep reductions in nuclear forces,

Confirm the following:

1. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and
Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to
Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on
Security and Cooperation in Europe, to respect the independence and sovereignty
and the existing borders of Ukraine;

2. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and
Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their obligation to
refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or
political independence of Ukraine, and that none of their weapons will ever be
used against Ukraine except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the
Charter of the United Nations;

3. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and
Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to
Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on
Security and Cooperation in Europe, to refrain from economic coercion designed
to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine of the rights
inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind;  .  .

https://www.securitycouncilreport.org/atf/cf/%7B65BFCF9B-6D27-4E9C-8CD3-CF6E4FF96FF9%7D/s_1994_1399.pdf


Russia signed this.