Christians Who ‘Audibly Pray’, ‘Recite Scripture’, or ‘Cross Themselves’ in Abortion ‘Safe Zone’ Fac

[mystery-ak]

Christians Who ‘Audibly Pray’, ‘Recite Scripture’, or ‘Cross Themselves’ in Abortion ‘Safe Zone’ Face Prison

Peter Caddle 16 Oct 2022

Christians who are caught “praying”, “reciting scripture”, or “crossing themselves” near an abortion centre could be sentenced to up to six months in jail in the United Kingdom.

British officials are pushing to have Christians who practice their faith too close to abortion centres jailed under revamped crackdown rules aimed at curbing protests against the practice.

Under current legislation, it can already be an offence to “audibly pray” within so-called “Safe Zones” established around some abortion centres, with those running afoul of the rules liable for a fine of up to £1,000 (~$1,100).

Those who “recite scripture, genuflect, sprinkle holy water on the ground or cross themselves if they perceive a service-users is [sic] passing by” are also liable for fines under the existing regime in one “Safe Zone” administered by Bournemouth, Christchurch, and Poole Council (BCP Council), for example.

However, according to a report by The Telegraph, government bigwigs are looking to greatly expand the severity of penalties for those who fall foul of their rules, with new plans aimed at cracking down on such protests including provisions to jail offenders for up to six months should they be perceived as protesting within a buffer zone.

While the Home Secretary has reportedly yet to common on the proposed measure — which comes as part of an amendment to the Truss Government’s Public Order Bill — the crackdown rules have received support from a number of Conservative Party MPs, including former Cabinet Office minister Andrew Mitchell and former Home Office minister Caroline Nokes.

Left-wing Labour MPs have also voiced support for the crackdown, with one party official describing the move as being needed “to protect a woman’s right to abortion”.

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https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/10/16/christians-who-audibly-pray-recite-scripture-or-cross-themselves-in-abortion-safe-zone-face-prison/

[Kamaji]

Wow.  Religious persecution is alive and well in the heart of the Western world. 

[Hoodat]

The UK doesn't have a First Amendment.  No free speech.  No free exercise of religion.  No right to assembly.  No free press.

[Kamaji]

The UK doesn't have a First Amendment.  No free speech.  No free exercise of religion.  No right to assembly.  No free press.

No enumerated rights, so they’ve always had to rely on the unwritten constitution, which is failing them now.

[Fishrrman]

Hoodat wrote:
"The UK doesn't have a First Amendment.  No free speech.  No free exercise of religion.  No right to assembly.  No free press."

And Kamaji added:
"No enumerated rights, so they’ve always had to rely on the unwritten constitution, which is failing them now."

Well, they've had over 800 years since the Magna Carta to have gotten something down "in writing" to protect their rights.

And they never bothered to do so, or consider the implications as to why doing so might be necessary to preserve their freedoms.

Too late now.
It's all but over for the Brits and what's left of their country.

Actually, most of the English-speaking world seems to be crumbling at dismaying speed.
But looks like the Brits (or perhaps the New Zealanders) will get there first.

[unite for individuality]

Well, they've had over 800 years since the Magna Carta to have gotten something down "in writing" to protect their rights.

And they never bothered to do so, or consider the implications as to why doing so might be necessary to preserve their freedoms.

The Magna Carta (1215) says nothing of individual rights.
It is only a concession by King John that
he would no longer have absolute power over the barons.
And within a year, he went back on his word.

Researching the Rights of Englishmen quickly becomes an extensive endeavor.
A good starting place is Blackstone's  Fundamental Laws of England.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_Laws_of_England

Another good step would be the Bill of Rights of 1689.
It came right after the Glorious Revolution,
where leaders of Parliament recruited the Dutch leader William of Orange
to send an invasion to overthrow King James II.
William and Mary became the new British monarchs,
and assented to the Bill of Rights passed by the Parliament.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_Rights_1689

The Act asserted "certain ancient rights and liberties" by declaring that:

• the pretended power of suspending the laws and dispensing with laws by regal authority without consent of Parliament is illegal;
• the commission for ecclesiastical causes is illegal;
• levying taxes without grant of Parliament is illegal;
• it is the right of the subjects to petition the king, and prosecutions for such petitioning are illegal;
• keeping a standing army in time of peace, unless it be with consent of Parliament, is against law;
• Protestants may have arms for their defence suitable to their conditions and as allowed by law;
• election of members of Parliament ought to be free;
• the freedom of speech and debates or proceedings in Parliament ought not to be impeached or questioned in any court or place out of Parliament;
• excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted;
• jurors in trials for high treason ought to be freeholders;
• promises of fines and forfeitures before conviction are illegal and void;
• for redress of all grievances, and for the amending, strengthening and preserving of the laws, Parliaments ought to be held frequently.

Some of the ideas here were carried forward into America's Bill of Rights.
And some of the ideas were not yet fully developed.  For example,
freedom of speech applied only to members of Parliament  and
the right to keep arms applied only to Protestants, not Catholics.

That might seem quaint to us today, but that was a very serious issue back then!

There is a lot more to this subject, and I don't want this post to become too long.
So I won't even start on how Canada's treatment of individual rights
follows the British model, not the U.S. model.

[Kamaji]

Hoodat wrote:
"The UK doesn't have a First Amendment.  No free speech.  No free exercise of religion.  No right to assembly.  No free press."

And Kamaji added:
"No enumerated rights, so they’ve always had to rely on the unwritten constitution, which is failing them now."

Well, they've had over 800 years since the Magna Carta to have gotten something down "in writing" to protect their rights.

And they never bothered to do so, or consider the implications as to why doing so might be necessary to preserve their freedoms.

Too late now.
It's all but over for the Brits and what's left of their country.

Actually, most of the English-speaking world seems to be crumbling at dismaying speed.
But looks like the Brits (or perhaps the New Zealanders) will get there first.

So, how's that written Constitution thing-y doing for ya?

[Wingnut]

The UK doesn't have a First Amendment.  No free speech.  No free exercise of religion.  No right to assembly.  No free press.

“And in England, they never go to church anymore.”
Lennon: “No religion, too?”
Cavett: “Oh. Hard to Imagine.”
Lennon: “Well, it’s easy if you try, Dick.”

[Kamaji]

As always, reality is more complicated than convenient theories permit:

Constitution of the United Kingdom:

The Constitution of the United Kingdom or British constitution comprises the written and unwritten arrangements that establish the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland as a political body. Unlike in most countries, no attempt has been made to codify such arrangements into a single document, thus it is known as an uncodified constitution. This enables the constitution to be easily changed as no provisions are formally entrenched; the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom recognises that there are constitutional principles, including parliamentary sovereignty, the rule of law, democracy, and upholding international law.

[sneakypete]

Wow.  Religious persecution is alive and well in the heart of the Western world.

@Kamaji

I was about to panic at first,and then I heard this was in England,so I am not even surprised.

Don't forget,the Mayor of London is a Muslim,and there are now Muslim enclaves in Longdon where Sharia Law is the law of the district,not English Law,

Anyone even trying to drive though one of those areas when the call to prayer is bellowed from a Muslim tower is forced to stop the car,get out,and drop to their knees in prayer.

The Muslim "religious" police enforce this with clubs.