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Re: Is NATO the aggressor in Ukraine?
« Reply #50 on: February 15, 2023, 05:03:12 am »
Strange coincidence that's where all the "Nazis" were isn't it...

Russian-speaking nazis at that.
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Re: Is NATO the aggressor in Ukraine?
« Reply #51 on: February 20, 2023, 03:18:59 am »
And what about the massive damage Russia has done to Ukraine and the tens of thousands murdered in their homes? Russia is way past the point of no return.

That is another issue that would need to be resolved in in a peace treaty.  I merely pointed to what I regard as the only circumstance in which Ukraine ceding territory as part of a peace treaty would make sense.
And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know what this was all about.

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Re: Is NATO the aggressor in Ukraine?
« Reply #52 on: February 25, 2023, 05:34:21 am »
We've been itching for this war for a long time....


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In October 2005, Donald Rumsfeld attended a meeting in Lithuania with the Defense Minister of Ukraine and vowed US support for Ukraine joining NATO. Take a wild guess who he was accompanied by. You'll never believe it. That's right, Victoria Nuland





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Re: Is NATO the aggressor in Ukraine?
« Reply #53 on: February 25, 2023, 05:50:03 am »
Michael Tracey
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Leaving aside the substantive question of whether the war was "unprovoked" or not, it's enormously creepy that they're all using the exact same word as though it was programmed directly into their brains

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Re: Is NATO the aggressor in Ukraine?
« Reply #54 on: February 25, 2023, 06:02:07 am »
Michael Tracey
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Leaving aside the substantive question of whether the war was "unprovoked" or not, it's enormously creepy that they're all using the exact same word as though it was programmed directly into their brains

The reason they all call it an unprovoked attack is because it was an unprovoked attack.
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Re: Is NATO the aggressor in Ukraine?
« Reply #55 on: February 25, 2023, 06:13:01 am »
Michael Tracey
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In October 2005, Donald Rumsfeld attended a
[NATO] meeting in Lithuania with the Defense Minister of Ukraine and vowed US support for Ukraine joining NATO. Take a wild guess who he was accompanied by. You'll never believe it. That's right, . . .

. . . The US Ambassador to NATO.



We've been itching for this war for a long time....

There is zero connection between your claim and that 2005 meeting.  Clearly, critical thought is not your strong suit.
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Re: Is NATO the aggressor in Ukraine?
« Reply #56 on: February 25, 2023, 12:26:12 pm »
We've been itching for this war for a long time....

Nonsense.  The context of that meeting was the Global War on Terror, and bringing in Ukrainian troops to support U.S. troops in Iraq, with the potential reward of joining NATO (which didn't happen unfortunately).

Ukrainians complete mission in Iraq,
By Sgt. Rodney FolienteDecember 11, 2008


https://www.army.mil/article/15056/ukrainians_complete_mission_in_iraq

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The Ukrainian Army hosted an end of mission ceremony at Camp Echo in Central Iraq, Dec. 9.

More than 5,000 Ukrainian troops have served in Iraq during Ukraine's five years of service in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom.

"Enduring peace, stability and prosperity are common values to fight for in the modern world. Your mission in Iraq has been successfully completed," said Viktor Nedopas, Charge d'Affairs of the Ukrainian Embassy in Iraq.

The Ukrainians served as the third-largest Coalition forces contingent in Iraq, with about 1,700 soldiers from 2003-2005.
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Re: Is NATO the aggressor in Ukraine?
« Reply #57 on: February 25, 2023, 08:21:21 pm »
Nigel Farage: "Putin’s invasion of Ukraine is totally abhorrent, but it was also entirely predictable.  I warned in 2014 that EU and NATO expansion would lead to war." (Video)


https://mobile.twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1629078271186055169

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Re: Is NATO the aggressor in Ukraine?
« Reply #58 on: February 25, 2023, 08:25:44 pm »
Nigel Farage: "Putin’s invasion of Ukraine is totally abhorrent, but it was also entirely predictable.  I warned in 2014 that EU and NATO expansion would lead to war." (Video)

In 2014, EU and NATO expansion was thwarted.  Yet Russia chose to invade anyway.  Go figure.
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Re: Is NATO the aggressor in Ukraine?
« Reply #59 on: February 25, 2023, 08:36:49 pm »
"❗️Biden's speech at the Atlantic Council. 1997

"- And then the Russians tell me: "If you continue to expand NATO, we will make friends with China. Laughed and replied "good luck to you guys. If it doesn't work out with China, try Iran” (Video)


https://mobile.twitter.com/DagnyTaggart963/status/1629524540953862144

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Re: Is NATO the aggressor in Ukraine?
« Reply #60 on: February 25, 2023, 08:49:51 pm »
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"❗️Biden's speech at the Atlantic Council. 1997

"- And then the Russians tell me: "If you continue to expand NATO, we will make friends with China. Laughed and replied "good luck to you guys. If it doesn't work out with China, try Iran” (Video)

LOL !!!  You're relying on something lying-ass Joe Biden said?  This is your argument?

Let's have a look at that, shall we?

1997 - Joe Biden says something stupid

1999 - The Czech Republic, Poland, and Hungary join NATO.

2004 - Romania, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Slovakia, Slovenia, and Bulgaria join NATO.

2009 - Croatia and Albania join NATO.

2017 - Montenegro joins NATO.

2020 - North Macedonia joins NATO.

2023 - Someone posts words here about Russia's relations with China that came from Joe Biden 26 years ago as if they had any relevance at all to Russia aggressively invading Ukraine for their oil, gas, manufacturing, resources, and ports.

This argument was asinine on the other thread, and it is just as asinine here as well.
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Re: Is NATO the aggressor in Ukraine?
« Reply #61 on: February 25, 2023, 09:26:55 pm »
There probably has been more combat deaths per square inch in Europe than anywhere else on earth. And I don't see that changing anytime soon.

@catfish1957

Over the centuries,China is the all-time "murder king".

And I don't see that changing. They are,and always have been  a murderous police state,so that is all they  know.

Anyone who isn't paranoid in 2021 just isn't thinking clearly!

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Re: Is NATO the aggressor in Ukraine?
« Reply #62 on: February 25, 2023, 09:30:49 pm »
Well, @unite for individuality , I disagree with much of your post.

But the part I will address is your solution.

Using your logic, if Mexico invades Texas...just let it go? Alrighty then.

@berdie "IF"????????
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Re: Is NATO the aggressor in Ukraine?
« Reply #63 on: February 27, 2023, 01:48:07 am »
"Why would Putin be concerned?" (About NATO). (VIDEO)


https://mobile.twitter.com/amuse/status/1629667722282901506

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Re: Is NATO the aggressor in Ukraine?
« Reply #64 on: February 27, 2023, 01:55:57 am »
"Why would Putin be concerned?" (About NATO). (VIDEO)


https://mobile.twitter.com/amuse/status/1629667722282901506

What country or people has NATO taken by force in its 70 year history.

Now do the same for Russia.

Get a freaking clue!

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Re: Is NATO the aggressor in Ukraine?
« Reply #65 on: February 28, 2023, 04:48:23 pm »
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DC_Draino
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This right here is what it was always about 

NATO getting a foothold right on Russia’s border despite previously promising to not do so

This dangerous provocation may spark WW3

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NEW - NATO chief: "Allies have agreed that Ukraine will become a member of our alliance" in the long term."

9:24 AM · Feb 28, 2023

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https://mobile.twitter.com/DC_Draino/status/1630574558523670534

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Re: Is NATO the aggressor in Ukraine?
« Reply #66 on: February 28, 2023, 05:00:28 pm »
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This right here is what it was always about

NATO getting a foothold right on Russia’s border despite previously promising to not do so

This dangerous provocation may spark WW3

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Disclose.tv
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NEW - NATO chief: "Allies have agreed that Ukraine will become a member of our alliance" in the long term."

This comment was made OVER A YEAR AFTER RUSSIA INVADED!

Again, logic and truth are not your strong suits.
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Re: Is NATO the aggressor in Ukraine?
« Reply #67 on: March 01, 2023, 12:01:43 am »
"NEW—Zelensky warns the US what will happen if Ukraine loses:

“The US will have to send their sons and daughters exactly the same way as we are sending our sons and daughters to war... because it's NATO that we're talking about, and they will be dying." (Video)


https://mobile.twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1630706019340005376


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