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Is NATO the aggressor in Ukraine?
Kamaji:
--- Quote from: Hoodat on January 20, 2023, 05:57:49 am ---Most fair? I suggest that Russia get the hell out of Ukraine and stop launching missiles and artillery shells at Ukrainian civilians. And if they don't like Ukraine's borders, then they should blame themselves for drawing them. They should have to live with their decision.
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Right_in_Virginia:
--- Quote from: art.prout on January 20, 2023, 07:37:08 am ---It is well beyond "willing"
It is the intention.
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Since the invasion of Ukraine our government from the top down has repeatedly called for a regime change in Russia, even calling for the assassination of its head of state.
Our government has pledged unlimited support in time, money, more and more advanced military hardware and the opposition leader in the Senate has declared this war to be the most important issue in the United States today.
We have directly countered, not on behalf of NATO, Russian threats with our own specific to nuclear weapons.
We refuse to disavow using NATO as a threat on behalf of a non-member ---- turning NATO from a defensive alliance into an offensive one.
We support the expansion of NATO with the admission of Sweden and Finland -- further boxing in Russia (poke, poke, poke).
We have "advisors" on the ground in Ukraine and US troops placed around Ukraine's borders ----- ready and, apparently, willing to cross them.
We refuse any attempt at negotiations, choosing instead to give a hero's welcome to a man beating the drums of war in a public forum before the most powerful political body in the world.
Our government is pleased with this war and has made it quite clear we intend to continue it.
Hoodat:
--- Quote from: art.prout on January 20, 2023, 07:37:08 am ---It is well beyond "willing"
It is the intention.
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Clearly, Putin is taking marching orders from Brussels. Which NATO commander do you think ordered the attack last year?
Kamaji:
--- Quote from: Hoodat on January 20, 2023, 07:29:33 pm ---Clearly, Putin is taking marching orders from Brussels. Which NATO commander do you think ordered the attack last year?
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Hoodat:
--- Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on January 20, 2023, 07:14:56 pm ---Since the invasion of Ukraine our government from the top down has repeatedly called for a regime change in Russia, even calling for the assassination of its head of state.
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This has zero connection with Russia's decision to invade and their continuation of this war.
--- Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on January 20, 2023, 07:14:56 pm ---Our government has pledged unlimited support in time, money, more and more advanced military hardware and the opposition leader in the Senate has declared this war to be the most important issue in the United States today.
--- End quote ---
This has zero connection with Russia's decision to invade and their purposeful continuation of this war.
--- Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on January 20, 2023, 07:14:56 pm ---We have directly countered, not on behalf of NATO, Russian threats with our own specific to nuclear weapons.
--- End quote ---
This has zero connection with Russia's decision to invade and their purposeful continuation of this war.
--- Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on January 20, 2023, 07:14:56 pm ---We refuse to disavow using NATO as a threat on behalf of a non-member ---- turning NATO from a defensive alliance into an offensive one.
--- End quote ---
This has zero connection with Russia's decision to invade and their purposeful continuation of this war.
--- Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on January 20, 2023, 07:14:56 pm ---We support the expansion of NATO with the admission of Sweden and Finland -- further boxing in Russia (poke, poke, poke).
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This wouldn't have happened had Russia not invaded Ukraine. Russia is the one guilty of the poking.
--- Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on January 20, 2023, 07:14:56 pm ---We have "advisors" on the ground in Ukraine and US troops placed around Ukraine's borders ----- ready and, apparently, willing to cross them.
--- End quote ---
This has zero connection with Russia's decision to invade and their purposeful continuation of this war.
--- Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on January 20, 2023, 07:14:56 pm ---We refuse any attempt at negotiations, choosing instead to give a hero's welcome to a man beating the drums of war in a public forum before the most powerful political body in the world.
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Ukraine is not ours to negotiate away. And none of this has any connection with Russia's decision to invade and their purposeful continuation of this war.
--- Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on January 20, 2023, 07:14:56 pm ---Our government is pleased with this war and has made it quite clear we intend to continue it.
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This has zero connection with Russia's decision to invade and their purposeful continuation of this war.
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