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Re: Fears of sabotage as gas pours into Baltic from Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines
« Reply #50 on: September 29, 2022, 01:07:20 pm »
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Re: Fears of sabotage as gas pours into Baltic from Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines
« Reply #51 on: September 29, 2022, 01:15:35 pm »
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An expeditionary detachment of US Navy ships led by the universal amphibious assault ship USS Kearsarge days ago was in the Baltic Sea. It was 30 km from the site of the alleged sabotage on the Nord Stream-1 gas pipeline and 50 km from the threads of Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline.

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Re: Fears of sabotage as gas pours into Baltic from Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines
« Reply #52 on: September 29, 2022, 01:48:37 pm »
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Re: Fears of sabotage as gas pours into Baltic from Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines
« Reply #53 on: September 29, 2022, 02:00:43 pm »
US military says it was 'absolutely not involved' in Nord Stream pipeline leaks
by Mike Brest, Defense Reporter |
September 28, 2022 05:30 PM

The United States denied responsibility for the Nord Stream pipeline leaks near the Danish island of Bornholm in the Baltic Sea.

A senior U.S. military official told reporters that the U.S. was "absolutely not involved" in the incident during a briefing on Wednesday, though the official could not confirm whether the leaks were caused by a deliberate act.

"The jury is still out," the official said, briefing Pentagon reporters on the condition of anonymity. "Many of our partners, I think, have determined or believe it is sabotage. I'm just — I'm not at the point where I can tell you one way or the other."

The Council of the European Union described the incident as “a deliberate act” and “not a coincidence.”

“The European Union is deeply concerned about damage to the Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines that has resulted in leaks in the international waters of the Baltic Sea. Safety and environmental concerns are of utmost priority. These incidents are not a coincidence and affect us all,” the statement added. “Any deliberate disruption of European energy infrastructure is utterly unacceptable and will be met with a robust and united response.”

“These are deliberate actions, not an accident,” Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen told reporters Tuesday. “The situation is as serious as it gets.”

Despite the allegations that Russia was responsible for the blasts, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said on Monday that President Joe Biden has to answer whether the U.S. was responsible.

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Re: Fears of sabotage as gas pours into Baltic from Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines
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Re: Fears of sabotage as gas pours into Baltic from Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines
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Re: Fears of sabotage as gas pours into Baltic from Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines
« Reply #56 on: September 30, 2022, 11:52:56 am »

Actually, it would have been easiest for Russia to do it. Shoot a pig (a stiff foam plug used to swab out the interior of the pipeline) only load it with explosives on a timer.
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Re: Fears of sabotage as gas pours into Baltic from Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines
« Reply #57 on: September 30, 2022, 09:48:47 pm »
Enough with the "whodunnit" for the moment.

Can this be repaired?
How?

Assuming much of the pipelines have now filled with seawater, will that do long-term damage?

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Enough with the "whodunnit" for the moment.

Can this be repaired?
How?

Assuming much of the pipelines have now filled with seawater, will that do long-term damage?

They say it will take 6 months to fix.

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Would the US government really blow up Nord Stream 1 and 2? No, that’s crazy, it’s right up there with thinking the US government would use undercover agents to plan the kidnapping of a governor or something kooky like that.

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Would the US government really blow up Nord Stream 1 and 2? No, that’s crazy, it’s right up there with thinking the US government would use undercover agents to plan the kidnapping of a governor or something kooky like that.

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Maybe I'm missing something here, but if Russians were responsible for blowing up Nord Stream 2, why would they go all the way to the German end of the pipeline to do it? Wouldn't it be easier closer to home?
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Why hasn't anyone turned off the natural gas to keep it from leaking?

This reminds me when Saddam Hussein set the oil wells of Kuwait on fire as Iraqis retreated.

Could be part of a greater "scorched earth" / Nero Order strategy.

Whether or not there is regime change in Russia, the Europeans won't get Russian natural gas this winter.

I'd keep an eye on other underwater infrastructure - pipelines, power lines, communication cables.

The Russians have made a concerted effort to map underwater infrastructure during the past decade.  This may be a asymmetrical war front where Russians have an advantage.
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Why hasn't anyone turned off the natural gas to keep it from leaking?

The gas leaks have stopped.

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"US @SecBlinken offers motive for #NordStream's destruction: "A tremendous opportunity to remove the dependence on Russian energy." (Video)


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"A tremendous opportunity to remove the dependence on Russian energy
What a freakin' idiot. They wouldn't be dependent on Russian gas if the US was still producing it for export. Oh, that's right, we no longer do that.
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NORDSTREAM

SEPTEMBER 29, 2022 LAWDOG


*crosses self*

“Hail Mary, full of grace …”

Ok, the Nord pipeline incidents.

Sigh. I shouldn’t do this, but …

I call them “incidents” for a reason. I grew up in overseas oilfields. I try to, by training, observe everything from as objectively neutral a viewpoint as possible.

In my experience when anything involving energy-industry hydrocarbons explodes … well, sabotage isn’t the first thing that comes to mind. And honestly, when it comes to a pipeline running natural gas under Russian (non)maintenance, an explosion means that it’s Tuesday. Or Friday. Or another day of the week ending in “y”.

“But, LawDog,” I hear you say, “It was multiple explosions!”

Yes, 17 hours apart. No military is going to arrange for two pipes in the same general area to be destroyed 17 hours apart. Not without some Spec Ops guy having a fit of apoplexy. One pipe goes up in a busy shipping lane, in a busy sea, and everyone takes notice. Then you wait 17 hours to do the second — with 17 hours for people to show up and catch you running dirty? Nah, not buying it.

The Nord pipelines weren’t in use. To me, that means it’s time for maintenance! Hard to maintain pipes when product is flowing.

Pipelines running methane, under saltwater, require PMCS* quicker than you’d think, and more often than you’d believe.

I would bet a cup of coffee that any of the required weekly and monthly checks and services since the Russians took over have been pencil-whipped. (See Andreev Bay 1982.)

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*PMCS: Preventative Maintenance Checks and Services

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NORDSTREAM

SEPTEMBER 29, 2022 LAWDOG


*crosses self*

“Hail Mary, full of grace …”

Ok, the Nord pipeline incidents.

Sigh. I shouldn’t do this, but …

 

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Speaking as someone that doesn't know diddly-squat about pipelines,I thank you  for that post.
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Columbia professor Jeffrey Sachs yanked off air after accusing US of sabotaging Nord Stream pipeline
By Alex Blair, News.com.au   
October 4, 2022 1:28pm
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A Columbia University professor has accused the US of sabotaging the Nord Stream pipeline in the Baltic Sea, prompting television hosts to pull the plug on his TV interview.

Speaking with Bloomberg, Professor Jeffrey Sachs floated the idea the pipeline, which has been at the center of a global “whodunit” saga in recent weeks, was struck by the US — not Vladimir Putin’s forces — as a means of doing damage to Russia beyond economic sanctions.

The Nord Stream pipelines deliver natural gas directly from Russia to Germany and are essential to keeping the lights on across swaths of Europe. ...

“A lot of the world is watching these events in horror,” Sachs said.

“They view this as a horrible clash between Russia and the US. They don‘t see this, as we do in the media, as an unprovoked attack by Russia on Ukraine.  ...

“I would bet (the explosion) was a US action, perhaps US and Poland,” he said.

Bloomberg host Tom Keene quickly interjected, asking Sachs to produce evidence for his claims.  ...
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Do we know if US Navy Special Operations Group PT73 was involved?


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Do we know if US Navy Special Operations Group PT73 was involved?


Pt73 and it's crew would never be involved in such an act. I would think it more likely J. Kerry in command of Swift boat PCF-44 being responsible, after all such an insane act aligns quite well with his personal war on fossil fuels.

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A torpedo carrying US plane was above the Nordstream when it blew.
It used a masked identity [NA]@@@@@@@@ and a rolling Hex-code to change its specific identity on its way.
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A few questions....
Is this aircraft capable of carrying arms that could cause this destruction?  Can a torpedo do this?  Wasn't there more than one explosion?  If the U.S. was to do this, why the heck would they have their transponders on to be seen by radar? 

He makes a good case, but just want clarification.