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Re: Another Senate Race Is Slipping Away ?
« Reply #25 on: August 26, 2022, 09:06:12 pm »
You do know that just about all American media is owned by just six corporations, don't you?

So, if the RNSC ran adds.....what are you telling us ?

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Re: Another Senate Race Is Slipping Away ?
« Reply #26 on: August 26, 2022, 09:09:10 pm »
There is no way in Hell I will vote for Kelly. I also don't back seat drive candidates I support,  nor do I fret about their tactics.

Everyone gets to make their own call.

I certainly have no interest in Kelly. 

I am also not going to ignore disingenuous behaviour by people like Masters. 

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Re: Another Senate Race Is Slipping Away ?
« Reply #27 on: August 26, 2022, 09:13:29 pm »
So, if the RNSC ran adds.....what are you telling us ?

I'm telling you that they ALL sing off the same sheet of music because they are ALL owned by the same people.

Candidates buy ad space where they can get it.
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Re: Another Senate Race Is Slipping Away ?
« Reply #28 on: August 26, 2022, 09:17:49 pm »
So, if the RNSC ran adds.....what are you telling us ?

The RNSC is run by Mitch Mc Connell. Blake didn't kiss McConnell's ring.  Do you think the bastards in Washington should be able to select your representatives for you?
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Re: Another Senate Race Is Slipping Away ?
« Reply #29 on: August 26, 2022, 09:19:52 pm »
Everyone gets to make their own call.

I certainly have no interest in Kelly. 

I am also not going to ignore disingenuous behaviour by people like Masters.

Anyone who votes for ANY Democrat for anything now is beyond stupid!
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Re: Another Senate Race Is Slipping Away ?
« Reply #30 on: August 26, 2022, 09:34:22 pm »
I'm telling you that they ALL sing off the same sheet of music because they are ALL owned by the same people.

Candidates buy ad space where they can get it.


And the people they quoted:

1. were lying
2. didn't say what was reported
3. or they are really pulling the ads.

Masters is behind. 

I can't help that.

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Re: Another Senate Race Is Slipping Away ?
« Reply #31 on: August 26, 2022, 09:36:03 pm »
The RNSC is run by Mitch Mc Connell. Blake didn't kiss McConnell's ring.  Do you think the bastards in Washington should be able to select your representatives for you?

The RNSC is a symptom, not a cause.

So far, the AZ GOP has had little success in getting people into the senate chamber on our behalf.

McSally...loses twice.

Masters isn't looking so good.

I doubt they'll unseat Sinema.

Boy, do I get depressed.

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Re: Another Senate Race Is Slipping Away ?
« Reply #32 on: August 26, 2022, 09:36:35 pm »
I have a VERY low tolerance for Democrat trolls!
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Re: Another Senate Race Is Slipping Away ?
« Reply #33 on: August 26, 2022, 09:39:48 pm »
The RNSC is run by Mitch Mc Connell. Blake didn't kiss McConnell's ring.  Do you think the bastards in Washington should be able to select your representatives for you?

I realize that many don't like it when we look inward and ask just how we are screwing this up. 

But we seem to be (screwing it up).

The whole Lake/Robson fight was really just a joy to watch [heavy dose of sarcasm].

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Re: Another Senate Race Is Slipping Away ?
« Reply #34 on: August 26, 2022, 09:45:40 pm »
Seems just about everyone is reporting they are.

And this was from one of the articles:

“We’re leaving the door wide open in Arizona, but we want to move additional resources to other offensive opportunities that have become increasingly competitive, as well as an unexpected expense in Ohio,” said Senate Leadership Fund President Steven Law. “We think the fundamentals of this election strongly favor Republicans, we see multiple paths to winning the majority, and we are going to invest heavily and strategically to achieve that goal.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/26/shifting-strategy-senate-gop-super-pac-cancels-ad-buys-in-arizona-alaska-00053965

Politico is an enemy of Republicans. I'm disappointed to hear where you get your news, frankly.
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Re: Another Senate Race Is Slipping Away ?
« Reply #35 on: August 26, 2022, 09:47:12 pm »
Politico is an enemy of Republicans. I'm disappointed to hear where you get your news, frankly.

Yes, we've been through this before....so you can save it. 

I get my news from a lot of places.

You called the statement they are pulling ads a lie. 

Care to share those links ?

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Re: Another Senate Race Is Slipping Away ?
« Reply #37 on: August 26, 2022, 09:51:31 pm »
Yes, we've been through this before....so you can save it. 

I get my news from a lot of places.

You called the statement they are pulling ads a lie. 

Care to share those links ?

Nope.  I'd be happy if you quoted JUST ONE Source that doesn't hate us.
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Re: Another Senate Race Is Slipping Away ?
« Reply #38 on: August 26, 2022, 09:59:15 pm »
Seems just about everyone is reporting they are.

Is this your emotions talking?  Or do you have a link to a news account that really says this?
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Re: Another Senate Race Is Slipping Away ?
« Reply #39 on: August 26, 2022, 10:03:57 pm »
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nrsc-books-2-2-million-arizona-wisconsin-ads-controversy-canceled-spots

NRSC books more than $2.2 million in Arizona, Wisconsin ads after controversy over canceled spots


From your link:

GOP Senate campaign group blasts 'false' New York Times report on ad spending

Gee, the NY Times lied about Republicans.  Who saw that coming?
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Re: Another Senate Race Is Slipping Away ?
« Reply #40 on: August 26, 2022, 11:58:07 pm »
From your link:

GOP Senate campaign group blasts 'false' New York Times report on ad spending

Gee, the NY Times lied about Republicans.  Who saw that coming?

Be patient. He's looking up links from the WaPo and NYT.
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Re: Another Senate Race Is Slipping Away ?
« Reply #41 on: August 27, 2022, 02:37:26 am »
From the Fox link:

According to The Times' piece, the NRSC canceled roughly $10 million in ad buys across multiple media markets in Arizona, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin due to "a likely sign of financial troubles" stemming from slowing online contributions.

"This is false, as I told Shane," NRSC communications director Chris Hartline tweeted, referencing the article's author, Shane Goldmacher.

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I believe the "false" claim was about it being about financial troubel.

That rebuttle existed in the Politico add. 

The claim that they pulled the adds has not been rebutted, as far as I am concerned.

I forgot how rabid this board can be when it comes to counter discussion.

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Re: Another Senate Race Is Slipping Away ?
« Reply #42 on: August 27, 2022, 03:14:00 am »
From the Fox link:

According to The Times' piece, the NRSC canceled roughly $10 million in ad buys across multiple media markets in Arizona, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin due to "a likely sign of financial troubles" stemming from slowing online contributions.

"This is false, as I told Shane," NRSC communications director Chris Hartline tweeted, referencing the article's author, Shane Goldmacher.

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I believe the "false" claim was about it being about financial troubel.

If you had simply continued on to the very next sentence, you would have gotten your answer:

Quote
"The NRSC is not cancelling spending. There is money being moved from the I.E. side back to the NRSC side of the wall," he added. "Nothing in this story is accurate. The NRSC has already spent $36 million on TV and has tens of millions more reserved."

Heck, he even tweeted it.


https://twitter.com/ChrisHartline/status/1559254143348391938


So again, I am not sure why you continue to cling to false DNC talking points.
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Re: Another Senate Race Is Slipping Away ?
« Reply #43 on: August 27, 2022, 03:25:57 am »
On another site, someone has an article showing Kelly dwarfing Masters in fundraising.....50 mill to 4 mill. 

OpenSecrets has it at 52 million to 5 million.

https://www.opensecrets.org/races/summary?cycle=2022&id=AZS1

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« Reply #44 on: August 27, 2022, 03:34:53 am »
On another site, someone has an article showing Kelly dwarfing Masters in fundraising.....50 mill to 4 mill. 

OpenSecrets has it at 52 million to 5 million.

https://www.opensecrets.org/races/summary?cycle=2022&id=AZS1

That's really beautiful and all.  But this has zero connection to the false claim that the GOP is cutting back on spending in Arizona.  Let's stick with one false DNC talking point at a time, shall we?
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Re: Another Senate Race Is Slipping Away ?
« Reply #45 on: August 27, 2022, 05:34:58 pm »
Fox News/Beacon has Masters trailing by 8 points. 


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Re: Another Senate Race Is Slipping Away ?
« Reply #46 on: August 27, 2022, 05:39:25 pm »
https://ktar.com/story/5213300/blake-masters-says-he-wont-apologize-for-abortion-stance-after-campaign-website-scrubbing/

Masters has softened the harder edges of his confrontational style and moved toward the center on key issues since emerging atop a crowded GOP field in this month’s primary.

He said he’s been going on the attack to clarify his abortion stance with the general election against Democrat Mark Kelly about two months away.

The Republican posted an ad on Twitter on Thursday that said he supported commonsense regulation around abortion.

Masters also said Kelly’s abortion views were extreme, takes he has since added to his website.

Kelly called the June Supreme Court ruling that overturned Roe v. Wade “a giant step backward for our country.”

“I added some language to [the website] that points out Mark Kelly calls me a pro-life extremist and I’m pro-life, I don’t make apologies for that,” Masters said.

“But I added some language to call him out, actually, that they’re lying about me and my position because they’re the extremists.”

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This seems pretty reasonable to me. 

He needs to hammer Kelly over his statements on Roe. 

Allowing the people of the states to make their own choices is a step backwards ?

Kelly is a puppet.

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Re: Another Senate Race Is Slipping Away ?
« Reply #47 on: August 27, 2022, 05:42:12 pm »
Fox News/Beacon has Masters trailing by 8 points.

Good!  The poll is the usual media poll lie, but it helps our side to run like we're 8 points behind.
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Re: Another Senate Race Is Slipping Away ?
« Reply #48 on: August 27, 2022, 05:44:55 pm »
https://ktar.com/story/5213300/blake-masters-says-he-wont-apologize-for-abortion-stance-after-campaign-website-scrubbing/

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This seems pretty reasonable to me. 

He needs to hammer Kelly over his statements on Roe. 

Allowing the people of the states to make their own choices is a step backwards ?

Kelly is a puppet.

Didn't you post you were unhappy about Blake changing the content on his campaign website?
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Re: Another Senate Race Is Slipping Away ?
« Reply #49 on: August 27, 2022, 06:01:20 pm »
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Article references NYT and Politico.  Not exactly great sources for objective news.

Despite Turtle's defeatist attitude, I wouldn't write off AZ, GA, and PA just yet.   A lot economic data to hit the news cycles between now and early November.

Well, the NYT is nothing I ever read and accept as gospel. 

But I looked around and the story was being covered pretty thoroughly.

The dispute from what I can read is that the times hinted that this was due to money troubles.

That, from what I can tell, is what the NRSC is disputing.

They pulled the ads from the battleground states to use it other places.

They've also already spent a lot of money. 

The NRSC disputes that they are cutting funding.

They've never said they didn't cut in the states mentioned in the OP.

Of course, some here don't get the difference as it doesn't fit the narrative.

Chris Hartline keeps denying things...but he'll never say they didn't pull adds in the state. 

Of course this is "fake news", as I said, everyone is publishing it.

Then you have Fox reporting that:

FIRST ON FOX – The National Republican Senatorial Committee (NRSC) Friday is releasing new ads in Wisconsin and Arizona for a total of more than $2.2 million in spending days after other canceled ads led to media stories about alleged fundraising issues.

So they seem to say the ads were canceled. 

I guess they rate with the NYT.

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