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Re: Another Senate Race Is Slipping Away ?
« Reply #150 on: October 28, 2022, 06:29:09 pm »
538 gives Trafalgar an A- rating, and they have Mark Kelly by a point.  It's going to be very close. 

Average separation is 3.5 points which means the needle has move significantly. 

Wonder if we can get some of the left wing idiots to pledge to move to CA if Lake/Masters win ?  That or move to Washington state where that total moron Murray can represent them.

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Re: Another Senate Race Is Slipping Away ?
« Reply #151 on: October 28, 2022, 09:10:22 pm »
Average separation is 3.5 points which means the needle has move significantly. 

Wonder if we can get some of the left wing idiots to pledge to move to CA if Lake/Masters win ?  That or move to Washington state where that total moron Murray can represent them.

Maybe Murry can.  She's in a tight race too, unexpectedly.
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Re: Another Senate Race Is Slipping Away ?
« Reply #152 on: October 28, 2022, 09:38:20 pm »
Masters is Trump endorsed and an election denier.

The word is that the democrats crossed lines to vote for the Trump endorsees so that they would win primaries and be easier to defeat in the general.

That is just the scuttle I've read.  Don't know if it is true.

Looks like that was a failed dem strategy everywhere it was implemented! 
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Re: Another Senate Race Is Slipping Away ?
« Reply #153 on: October 31, 2022, 02:02:50 am »
Maybe Murry can.  She's in a tight race too, unexpectedly.

In some ways I hope she stays.

If they get some intelligent left wingers in there....we could be in trouble.
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Re: Another Senate Race Is Slipping Away ?
« Reply #154 on: October 31, 2022, 02:08:59 am »
In some ways I hope she stays.

Words fail me.  There is no way anyone other than a DailyKos-troll DU-disciple would post on this site that they prefer Patty Murray in the Senate over a Conservative Republican.
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Re: Another Senate Race Is Slipping Away ?
« Reply #155 on: October 31, 2022, 03:41:19 am »
Maybe Murry can.  She's in a tight race too, unexpectedly.

'Unexpected' is an understatement by an order of magnitude.

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Re: Another Senate Race Is Slipping Away ?
« Reply #156 on: October 31, 2022, 05:37:07 pm »

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Re: Another Senate Race Is Slipping Away ?
« Reply #157 on: October 31, 2022, 06:13:23 pm »
'Unexpected' is an understatement by an order of magnitude.

538 says the race isn't so tight. 

I guess it depends on who you believe.

Murray is an idiot.  But Washington is never going to elect a republican senator.   Better an idiot who can't do much damage than a true left wing change advocate who could make things messy.

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Re: Another Senate Race Is Slipping Away ?
« Reply #158 on: October 31, 2022, 06:14:44 pm »
Kelly tops Masters by 6 points in Arizona Senate race: poll

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3712213-kelly-tops-masters-by-6-points-in-arizona-senate-race-poll/

I have a work colleaugue who listens to the radio.

I was in his office when Sean Hannity was calling the race a draw.

It's amazing.


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Re: Another Senate Race Is Slipping Away ?
« Reply #159 on: October 31, 2022, 06:17:39 pm »
538 says the race isn't so tight. 

I guess it depends on who you believe.

Murray is an idiot.  But Washington is never going to elect a republican senator.   Better an idiot who can't do much damage than a true left wing change advocate who could make things messy.

As I said elsewhere, the mere possibility of upending Murray is an astonishment.

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Re: Another Senate Race Is Slipping Away ?
« Reply #160 on: October 31, 2022, 06:23:34 pm »
As I said elsewhere, the mere possibility of upending Murray is an astonishment.

True that.

It's almost as bad as Alan Cranston in CA.  I used to scratch my head and question....how, in a state of 35 million (at the time) is this the best we can do.

Murray is probably related to him.

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Re: Another Senate Race Is Slipping Away ?
« Reply #161 on: November 01, 2022, 01:22:19 pm »

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Re: Another Senate Race Is Slipping Away ?
« Reply #162 on: November 01, 2022, 01:28:45 pm »
Arizona Senate race: Libertarian candidate drops out, endorses Blake Masters

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/arizona-senate-race-libertarian-candidate-drops-out-endorses-blake-masters/ar-AA13C49d

Good to see.  Too bad he didn't commit before early voting.
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Re: Another Senate Race Is Slipping Away ?
« Reply #163 on: November 01, 2022, 02:45:29 pm »
The Libertarian was averaging 4%.  I don't understand why they bothered to field a candidate when Blake Masters is the closest thing they are going to have from the fiscal side of things, as well as foreign policy.

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Re: Another Senate Race Is Slipping Away ?
« Reply #164 on: November 01, 2022, 02:49:54 pm »
The Libertarian was averaging 4%.  I don't understand why they bothered to field a candidate when Blake Masters is the closest thing they are going to have from the fiscal side of things, as well as foreign policy.

For the same reason I quit Republicans. Your 'closest thing' is nowhere near good enough... and usually a damnable lie.

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Re: Another Senate Race Is Slipping Away ?
« Reply #165 on: November 01, 2022, 03:23:13 pm »
For the same reason I quit Republicans. Your 'closest thing' is nowhere near good enough... and usually a damnable lie.

Usually, but all victories are incremental, and Blake Masters is on the fringe of politics in Arizona.  Libertarians have a tendency for self-harm by obsessing with ideological purity.  The socialists are glad to move the ball down the field one inch at a time.  The AZ Libertarians probably should have given Masters a chance in 2022, and nominate a candidate in 2028 if he strayed too far.

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Re: Another Senate Race Is Slipping Away ?
« Reply #166 on: November 01, 2022, 03:50:50 pm »
Usually, but all victories are incremental
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I have been told that my whole life... For nearly nothing.

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Libertarians have a tendency for self-harm by obsessing with ideological purity.


Yeah... whatever. Principled Conservatives are painted with that same damn brush.

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The socialists are glad to move the ball down the field one inch at a time. 


LOL! No... They move the ball down the field like a freight train. In HUGE leaps and bounds. And rarely fail. Even when out of power.

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The AZ Libertarians probably should have given Masters a chance in 2022, and nominate a candidate in 2028 if he strayed too far.

Nonsense. IOW, reject their own who stand upon their platform for more vapid promises from Republicans? Everybody is a Conservative during election. Every one of them says all the right things to get into office. And you expect blind faith in those snake charmers?

You know, Conservative libertarians used to be represented in the Republican party. Goldwater. That's the stuff that even more liberal libertarians can find agreement with. There ain't enough Goldwater (or Reagan) left in the Republican party to amount to a fart in a windstorm. If you want libertarians (and Conservatives) to come your way, it takes representing them. REALLY.

I have nothing against Masters, except that his name sounds like an action figure. The point remains. Your closest thing is no where good enough. And the lie that it will ever change was threadbare twenty years ago.

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Re: Another Senate Race Is Slipping Away ?
« Reply #167 on: November 01, 2022, 04:22:03 pm »
You know, Conservative libertarians used to be represented in the Republican party. Goldwater. That's the stuff that even more liberal libertarians can find agreement with. There ain't enough Goldwater (or Reagan) left in the Republican party to amount to a fart in a windstorm. If you want libertarians (and Conservatives) to come your way, it takes representing them. REALLY.

Even Goldwater was unworthy.  The Libertarians fielded a candidate as soon as they could (1980) and he nearly lost reelection.  I used to be involved with the libertarians, but they tend to have unrealistic ideas and pathologies like Ayn Rand (who also repudiated Goldwater, incidentally).

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Re: Another Senate Race Is Slipping Away ?
« Reply #168 on: November 01, 2022, 04:27:03 pm »
Even Goldwater was unworthy.  The Libertarians fielded a candidate as soon as they could (1980) and he nearly lost reelection.  I used to be involved with the libertarians, but they tend to have unrealistic ideas and pathologies like Ayn Rand (who also repudiated Goldwater, incidentally).

Libertarians are just as divided as any... Their conservatives were IN the Republican party. No more.

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Re: Another Senate Race Is Slipping Away ?
« Reply #169 on: November 01, 2022, 10:06:43 pm »

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Re: Another Senate Race Is Slipping Away ?
« Reply #170 on: November 02, 2022, 12:38:02 am »
This actually seems like a big deal.
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Well. The press coverage is a plus.  But when did early voting start in AZ?
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Re: Another Senate Race Is Slipping Away ?
« Reply #171 on: November 02, 2022, 12:41:32 am »
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Well. The press coverage is a plus.  But when did early voting start in AZ?

I could be wrong but I think there is only absentee voting right now.

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Re: Another Senate Race Is Slipping Away ?
« Reply #172 on: November 02, 2022, 01:10:59 am »
That is just the scuttle I've read.

On DummieUnderground.


Don't know if it is true.

Yet you didn't hesitate to post it here.

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Re: Another Senate Race Is Slipping Away ?
« Reply #173 on: November 02, 2022, 12:14:16 pm »
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Well. The press coverage is a plus.  But when did early voting start in AZ?

October 12th.

And your point is well made. 

We can only hope it helps Masters out.

It is amazing that the RCP shows four pick ups in the senate for the GOP and that includes Masters.  Not sure how that works....since Kelly is still shown (by RCP) as being ahead in the polls.

But I'll certainly take it.

Every poll shown on 538 has Kelly leading....but some of them by less than 2 points.  I still don't get why they include those rubes over at Center Street.
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Re: Another Senate Race Is Slipping Away ?
« Reply #174 on: November 10, 2022, 10:21:31 pm »
Don't see Masters pulling this one out.