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« Reply #850 on: October 24, 2022, 12:46:53 pm »
US holds rare call with Russia but says there's no Kremlin interest in ending war in Ukraine

By AFP
21 October 2022

Russia's defense minister and Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin held their first calls since May on Friday in a sign Moscow and Washington have restored lines of communication as Vladimir Putin ups his attacks on civilians.

But Secretary of State Antony Blinken warned there was no signs that Moscow is prepared to end the war in Ukraine as pro-Kremlin officials said they were turning Ukraine's southern city of Kherson into a 'fortress' in the face of Kyiv's advance.

Few details emerged of the conversation between Russia's Sergei Shoigu and Austin but both sides confirmed they had discussed Ukraine.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11342053/Pentagon-chief-Lloyd-Austin-talks-Kremlin-counterpart.html

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« Reply #851 on: October 24, 2022, 12:48:31 pm »
Major explosion kills three at gunpowder factory working 24/7 to make rocket launchers and air defence systems for war on Ukraine

By TOM SCOTSON FOR MAILONLINE
23 October 2022

A major explosion killed three people at a gunpowder factor working 24/7 to make rocket launchers and air defence systems for the war in Ukraine.

Perm Gunpowder Plant, which produces Grad and Smerch weaponry for Russian troops, reportedly went up in flames.

Video footage showed a plume of smoke rising in the distance, with some witnesses claiming to have seen the explosion at the time of the attack.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11345515/Major-explosion-kills-three-gunpowder-factory-Russia.html

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« Reply #852 on: October 24, 2022, 02:32:52 pm »
Major explosion kills three at gunpowder factory working 24/7 to make rocket launchers and air defence systems for war on Ukraine


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« Reply #853 on: October 24, 2022, 04:35:27 pm »
Russian State TV Boss Says Drown Ukrainian Children, Burn Families Alive

ANDERS ANGLESEY  |  10/23/22  |  12:54 PM EDT


ARussian state TV host and his guest engaged in an exchange where the two discussed drowning, raping, and burning Ukrainians.

In a video uploaded to Twitter on Sunday by Russian Media Monitor creator Julia Davis, RT director of broadcasting Anton Krasovsky and writer Sergei Lukayanenko dehumanized Ukrainians and casually discussed raping and killing them.

The conversation led Kings College London visiting professor of defense studies, Michael Clarke, to say it was an example of "the complete moral degeneracy" in Russian President Vladimir Putin's Russia.

Clarke told Newsweek: "There are lots of these exchanges across the three main state-controlled channels. This one is only unusual in the severity of its racist spite. The fact that RT's director of broadcasting is making most of the comments is significant as the authority he carries with the network indicates that RT is not just giving airtime to some random outrageous racist but is aligning itself with the sentiments."

During the exchange, Lukyanenko mentioned stories about Viagra packs being handed out to Russian soldiers as an example of "hysteria" and "sick fantasies."

However, Krasovsky interjected and said: "For them to rape Ukrainian grannies. Gawd, those grannies would spend their burial savings to get raped by Russian soldiers."  .  .  .

https://www.newsweek.com/russian-state-tv-boss-says-drown-ukrainian-children-burn-families-alive-1754116



This isn't some baseless claim that someone posted on Twitter.  This is what is being broadcast on Russian State TV from Konigsburg to Vladivostok.
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« Reply #854 on: October 24, 2022, 04:40:08 pm »
Russian State TV Boss Says Drown Ukrainian Children, Burn Families Alive

ANDERS ANGLESEY  |  10/23/22  |  12:54 PM EDT


ARussian state TV host and his guest engaged in an exchange where the two discussed drowning, raping, and burning Ukrainians.

In a video uploaded to Twitter on Sunday by Russian Media Monitor creator Julia Davis, RT director of broadcasting Anton Krasovsky and writer Sergei Lukayanenko dehumanized Ukrainians and casually discussed raping and killing them.

The conversation led Kings College London visiting professor of defense studies, Michael Clarke, to say it was an example of "the complete moral degeneracy" in Russian President Vladimir Putin's Russia.

Clarke told Newsweek: "There are lots of these exchanges across the three main state-controlled channels. This one is only unusual in the severity of its racist spite. The fact that RT's director of broadcasting is making most of the comments is significant as the authority he carries with the network indicates that RT is not just giving airtime to some random outrageous racist but is aligning itself with the sentiments."

During the exchange, Lukyanenko mentioned stories about Viagra packs being handed out to Russian soldiers as an example of "hysteria" and "sick fantasies."

However, Krasovsky interjected and said: "For them to rape Ukrainian grannies. Gawd, those grannies would spend their burial savings to get raped by Russian soldiers."  .  .  .

https://www.newsweek.com/russian-state-tv-boss-says-drown-ukrainian-children-burn-families-alive-1754116



This isn't some baseless claim that someone posted on Twitter.  This is what is being broadcast on Russian State TV from Konigsburg to Vladivostok.

When they start resorting to Muzzie terrorist tactics, you know the war efforts is sure not going to plan.
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« Reply #855 on: October 24, 2022, 06:50:45 pm »
Russia faces 'inevitable defeat' in Kherson as elites 'scramble to negotiate with the West and position themselves to replace Putin'

By CHRIS PLEASANCE FOR MAILONLINE
24 October 2022

Russia is staring down the barrel of an 'inevitable defeat' in the city of Kherson, the former head of Britain's armed forced has said.

General Lord Dannatt, former chief of the general staff, said Putin's forces are in the midst of a 'managed withdrawal' from the regional capital - in southern Ukraine - to avoid a chaotic rout of the kind they suffered last month in Kharkiv.

Meanwhile the country's elite are trying to negotiate an end to the war with the West because they realise they have lost, according to the head of Ukraine's military intelligence branch, Kyrylo Budanov.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11348419/Russia-faces-inevitable-defeat-Kherson-former-head-UK-armed-forces-says.html

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« Reply #856 on: October 25, 2022, 12:43:52 am »
Russia faces 'inevitable defeat' in Kherson as elites 'scramble to negotiate with the West and position themselves to replace Putin'

By CHRIS PLEASANCE FOR MAILONLINE
24 October 2022

Russia is staring down the barrel of an 'inevitable defeat' in the city of Kherson, the former head of Britain's armed forced has said.

General Lord Dannatt, former chief of the general staff, said Putin's forces are in the midst of a 'managed withdrawal' from the regional capital - in southern Ukraine - to avoid a chaotic rout of the kind they suffered last month in Kharkiv.

Meanwhile the country's elite are trying to negotiate an end to the war with the West because they realise they have lost, according to the head of Ukraine's military intelligence branch, Kyrylo Budanov.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11348419/Russia-faces-inevitable-defeat-Kherson-former-head-UK-armed-forces-says.html

What's to negotiate?

Just get out of all the territory you recognized as Ukraine when Ukraine gave up all the nuclear missiles in it's territory.
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« Reply #857 on: October 25, 2022, 01:13:05 am »
What's to negotiate?

Just get out of all the territory you recognized as Ukraine when Ukraine gave up all the nuclear missiles in it's territory.

Yep.  It really is that simple.
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« Reply #858 on: October 25, 2022, 12:20:17 pm »
The orcs have found an Uruk-Hai:

Chechen leader Kadyrov slams Russia's 'weak' attacks on Ukraine and calls for cities to be 'WIPED OUT' as Kremlin doubles down on claims Kyiv plans to set off a 'dirty bomb'

By JACK NEWMAN FOR MAILONLINE
25 October 2022

Chechen warlord Ramzan Kadyrov has slammed Russia's 'weak' attacks on Ukraine in the latest show of high profile dissent from one of Vladimir Putin's biggest cheerleaders.

The colonel general ordered Kremlin troops to 'wipe out Ukrainian cities off the face of the earth' in a chilling video message on Telegram.

The head of the Chechen Republic said Russia should respond with fire and fury to the surge in counterattacks on its border regions.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11351635/Chechen-leader-Kadyrov-slams-Russias-weak-Ukraine-attacks-calls-cities-WIPED-OUT.html

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« Reply #859 on: October 25, 2022, 01:39:26 pm »
The age of Ukrainians is over.  The time of the Orc has come.


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« Reply #860 on: October 25, 2022, 04:43:08 pm »
The age of Ukrainians is over.  The time of the Orc has come.




This is why it is so important to stop Russia's aggression and end the era of naked aggression before it grows and consumes the world. China is returning to their Marxist-Leninist roots and I'm sure they are considering how they can take Taiwan and break out of the first island chain based on Russia's performance against the west's weaponry.

Put an end to it before it grows.
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« Reply #861 on: October 25, 2022, 05:54:18 pm »
This is why it is so important to stop Russia's aggression and end the era of naked aggression before it grows and consumes the world. China is returning to their Marxist-Leninist roots and I'm sure they are considering how they can take Taiwan and break out of the first island chain based on Russia's performance against the west's weaponry.

Put an end to it before it grows.
Failure to stop it i n Ukraine will only lead to China making a move. Afghanistan laid the groundwork for Ukraine, demonstrating complete incompetence on the part of this administration, which could have only encouraged Putin to invade.
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« Reply #862 on: October 25, 2022, 06:50:28 pm »
Russia accused of sabotaging Ukraine water pipe to Mykolaiv

Viktoriia Zhuhan & Nader Ibrahim  |  12 hours ago


For six months, homes in Ukraine's southern coastal city of Mykolaiv have been without clean drinking water.

Military and UN experts have told a BBC investigation they believe Russian forces deliberately cut off the water supply last April.

Satellite imagery and data suggest the pipeline to the city was deliberately destroyed while under Russian control.

Destroying resources vital for civilian life is widely regarded as violations of international humanitarian law.

But in recent weeks Russia has further targeted Ukraine's power and water infrastructure, prompting shortages across the country.

Queuing in the street in Mykolaiv to collect clean drinking water is dangerous as the city is close to the front line and is often shelled. Since Russia's invasion it has remained under Ukrainian control.

"You are standing in line. It's terribly scary to go out, God forbid something will fly in now," says Anya, a 36-year-old mother who fled to Mykolaiv from the neighbouring Kherson region under Russian occupation.

Residents like Anya, who also cares for four other members of her family, do have access to what is called technical water in their homes, but it can't be used for drinking or cooking.

Even washing in it inflames their skin. "It is really very salty. It has a brown, greenish colour," she says.

These are the conditions that residents have had to endure for six months after the water supply to the city was cut off.

Evidence collected by the BBC points to this being a deliberate act by Russian forces.



In April this year, a Ukrainian news outlet published the above images which it says show damage caused by Russian forces to Mykolaiv's only water supply pipeline.

The BBC has analysed satellite and social media pictures which back up this claim.  .  .

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63383605



Putin's war on Ukrainian civilians continues.
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« Reply #863 on: October 25, 2022, 08:13:32 pm »
'Russia miscalculated its strength and after eight months still can't win' in Ukraine, state TV pundit says in rare admission of failure - while also doubting Kyiv has a 'dirty bomb'

By CHRIS PLEASANCE FOR MAILONLINE
25 October 2022

Russia miscalculated its strength and is losing the war in Ukraine, an expert told state media last night in a rare and risky outburst.

Viktor Olevich, a well-known 'Americanist' within Russia and chief analyst at the Centre for Actual Politics, told viewers and a stunned host that Russia 'cannot win' despite eight months of fighting.

Olevich, who was schooled in the US but now lives in Moscow, also cast doubt on Russia's claims that Ukraine is building a 'dirty bomb' despite the protests of host Andrey Norkin.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11352887/Russian-state-TV-pundit-makes-rare-admission-failure-Ukraine.html

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« Reply #864 on: October 25, 2022, 08:48:09 pm »
Kiev says strike in southern Ukraine hit dozens of Chechnyan fighters

https://www.anews.com.tr/world/2022/10/25/kiev-says-strike-in-southern-ukraine-hit-dozens-of-chechnyan-fighters

Kherson (dpa) In the Russian-occupied Kherson region of Ukraine, more than 100 soldiers from Chechnya were hit by artillery, according to Ukrainian sources.

The Ukrainian military governor of the Kherson region, Serhiy Khlan, stated that the Chechen unit had been stationed in the school of a village on the other bank of the river after their withdrawal from the city of Kherson across the Dnipro River.

The men had revealed their whereabouts themselves through photos on social networks, he said. He reported more than 40 dead and 60 buried.

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« Reply #865 on: October 25, 2022, 09:39:26 pm »
Russians hate Chechens about as much as they hate Ukrainians.  Chechens, along with DPR/LPR  fighters are left to cover the retreat of Russian troops out of Kherson.
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« Reply #866 on: October 26, 2022, 12:08:57 am »
Failure to stop it i n Ukraine will only lead to China making a move. Afghanistan laid the groundwork for Ukraine, demonstrating complete incompetence on the part of this administration, which could have only encouraged Putin to invade.

We see this so clearly, hopefully a majority of the country does as well.

All of this mess was created by Brandon's incredible incompetence. I have no desire for the USA to continue as the world's policeman, but I don't want the tyrants of the world to think they can do anything they please. If those being attacked are willing to stand up and defend themselves why not give them the weapons to do it.
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« Reply #867 on: October 26, 2022, 12:35:16 pm »
Putin's warlord Ramzan Kadyrov declares Ukraine war 'the Big Jihad' and urges Muslims to rise up and fight 'demons' as Russia's security council calls for the country to be 'de-Satanized'

By WILL STEWART and CHRIS PLEASANCE FOR MAILONLINE
26 October 2022

Chechen warlord Ramzan Kadyrov has declared the war in Ukraine to be 'the Big Jihad' while urging Russian Muslims to rise up and fight 'demons' and the forces of 'Satanic democracy'.

Kadyrov, one of Putin's most hardline supporters, ranted against gay people, the transgender, and Western liberals online - saying they have overrun Ukraine, want to destroy Russia, and it is the duty of patriots to take up arms against them.

'They want to break our Motherland into pieces, humiliate, trample in the dirt and, in the end, defile our faith and culture so that we don't have any identity and not a single family value,' he said. 'I see degradation and Satanism in this.

'And I'd rather fight it in the bud than let this abomination envelop our Motherland.'

His language was then adopted by the Russian Security Council which last night proclaimed that hundreds of Satanist sects are now spreading across Ukraine and that the country must be 'completely de-Satanzied'.

It marks a shift in tone from earlier in the war, when Moscow declared it was fighting against fascists and wanted Ukraine to be 'de-Nazified'. Now, at least according to the Kremlin, they are fighting the Devil.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11355721/Ramzan-Kadyrov-declares-Ukraine-Big-Jihad-urges-fight-against-Satanists.html

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« Reply #868 on: October 26, 2022, 12:36:03 pm »
Putin's warlord Ramzan Kadyrov declares Ukraine war 'the Big Jihad' and urges Muslims to rise up and fight 'demons' as Russia's security council calls for the country to be 'de-Satanized'

By WILL STEWART and CHRIS PLEASANCE FOR MAILONLINE
26 October 2022

Chechen warlord Ramzan Kadyrov has declared the war in Ukraine to be 'the Big Jihad' while urging Russian Muslims to rise up and fight 'demons' and the forces of 'Satanic democracy'.

Kadyrov, one of Putin's most hardline supporters, ranted against gay people, the transgender, and Western liberals online - saying they have overrun Ukraine, want to destroy Russia, and it is the duty of patriots to take up arms against them.

'They want to break our Motherland into pieces, humiliate, trample in the dirt and, in the end, defile our faith and culture so that we don't have any identity and not a single family value,' he said. 'I see degradation and Satanism in this.

'And I'd rather fight it in the bud than let this abomination envelop our Motherland.'

His language was then adopted by the Russian Security Council which last night proclaimed that hundreds of Satanist sects are now spreading across Ukraine and that the country must be 'completely de-Satanzied'.

It marks a shift in tone from earlier in the war, when Moscow declared it was fighting against fascists and wanted Ukraine to be 'de-Nazified'. Now, at least according to the Kremlin, they are fighting the Devil.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11355721/Ramzan-Kadyrov-declares-Ukraine-Big-Jihad-urges-fight-against-Satanists.html


Ahhh.  So now it's satanism the Russians are fighting in Ukraine, satanism and transgenderism, not nazis and nazification.  :silly:

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« Reply #869 on: October 26, 2022, 12:56:35 pm »
Ahhh.  So now it's satanism the Russians are fighting in Ukraine, satanism and transgenderism, not nazis and nazification.  :silly:
Russians are now saying openly one of their goals is to kill Ukrainian children.

Russian Intelligence is at another level.
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« Reply #870 on: October 26, 2022, 08:29:02 pm »
India has finally had enough of russia, too.
You cannot "COEXIST" with people who want to kill you.
If they kill their own with no conscience, there is nothing to stop them from killing you.
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« Reply #871 on: October 26, 2022, 11:11:50 pm »
Failure to stop it i n Ukraine will only lead to China making a move. Afghanistan laid the groundwork for Ukraine, demonstrating complete incompetence on the part of this administration, which could have only encouraged Putin to invade.

@Smokin Joe

You can bet the farm on that,and the Chinese make the Russians look like pick-pockets by comparison.

AND......,IF the Dims maintain control over our government,you can bet your ass that the US will do nothing to stop them. The western "movers and shakers",both political as well as corporate,LOVE all those bonus checks they get at the end up the  year from the profits piled up by using Chinese slave labor to build crap products for the US market.

Sadly,at this point I am not sure it will make a difference if the Republicans take power if it is the same bastard heading up the  RNC now.

Like it or stroke out to it,the ONLY chance we have of saving America is Trump being our next President.
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« Reply #872 on: October 26, 2022, 11:14:44 pm »
'Russia miscalculated its strength and after eight months still can't win' in Ukraine, state TV pundit says in rare admission of failure - while also doubting Kyiv has a 'dirty bomb'

By CHRIS PLEASANCE FOR MAILONLINE
25 October 2022

Russia miscalculated its strength and is losing the war in Ukraine, an expert told state media last night in a rare and risky outburst.

Viktor Olevich, a well-known 'Americanist' within Russia and chief analyst at the Centre for Actual Politics, told viewers and a stunned host that Russia 'cannot win' despite eight months of fighting.

Olevich, who was schooled in the US but now lives in Moscow, also cast doubt on Russia's claims that Ukraine is building a 'dirty bomb' despite the protests of host Andrey Norkin.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11352887/Russian-state-TV-pundit-makes-rare-admission-failure-Ukraine.html

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Viktor Olevich was a brave man,and a man of honor as well. I hope some international peace award gets his name in the near future.

If he is not dead of "disappeared" in 10,9,8,......,he will be soon.
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« Reply #873 on: October 26, 2022, 11:18:51 pm »
We see this so clearly, hopefully a majority of the country does as well.

All of this mess was created by Brandon's incredible incompetence. I have no desire for the USA to continue as the world's policeman, but I don't want the tyrants of the world to think they can do anything they please. If those being attacked are willing to stand up and defend themselves why not give them the weapons to do it.

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Absolutely NOT true!

It was created by his corruption,his greed,and the greed and corruption of so many career US politicians and their corporate butt-buddies.

Trying to claim Slow Joe did this due to incompetence does not give him the proper credit for the the truly evil and corrupt SOB that he really is.
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« Reply #874 on: October 27, 2022, 01:11:06 am »
@Smokin Joe

You can bet the farm on that,and the Chinese make the Russians look like pick-pockets by comparison.

AND......,IF the Dims maintain control over our government,you can bet your ass that the US will do nothing to stop them. The western "movers and shakers",both political as well as corporate,LOVE all those bonus checks they get at the end up the  year from the profits piled up by using Chinese slave labor to build crap products for the US market.

Sadly,at this point I am not sure it will make a difference if the Republicans take power if it is the same bastard heading up the  RNC now.

Like it or stroke out to it,the ONLY chance we have of saving America is Trump being our next President.
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