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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #325 on: October 03, 2022, 03:51:12 pm »
In 1996 Ukraine handed over nuclear weapons to Russia "in exchange for a guarantee never to be threatened or invaded".
In 1996 Ukraine handed over nuclear weapons to Russia "in exchange for a guarantee never to be threatened or invaded".

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« Reply #326 on: October 03, 2022, 05:29:05 pm »
Russian anti-war journalist who was placed under house arrest and faced ten years in jail for TV protest escapes and goes on the run with her 11-year-old daughter

By MAILONLINE REPORTER
3 October 2022

Russian TV journalist Marina Ovsyannikova, who became famous for staging an on-air protest against Russia's war in Ukraine, has been put on Moscow's wanted list after escaping from pre-trial house arrest. Ovsyannikova, 44, was put under house arrest in August and faces up to 10 years in prison if found guilty of spreading fake news about Russia's armed forces under a law introduced earlier this year.

The case relates to a protest in July when she stood on a river embankment opposite the Kremlin and held up a poster calling President Vladimir Putin a murderer and his soldiers fascists. But state-run news outlet RT reported this weekend that she had somehow fled her accommodation with her young daughter in tow, and their current whereabouts are unknown. Pictured: Ovsyannikova is escorted to attend a hearing at the Basmanny district court in Moscow, Russia, 11 August 2022.

'Last night, my ex-wife left the place that the court assigned her for house arrest and, together with my 11-year-old daughter, fled in an unknown direction,' her ex-husband was quoted as saying by RT - a Russian media company for whom he is a prominent producer. Ovsyannikova, who was born in Ukraine, came to international prominence in March by walking out in front of studio cameras during an evening news broadcast on the flagship Channel One with a placard that read: 'NO WAR. STOP THE WAR. DO NOT BELIEVE THE PROPAGANDA. THEY'RE LYING TO YOU HERE. RUSSIANS AGAINST WAR.' (pictured).

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/galleries/article-11275853/Russian-anti-war-journalist-facing-jail-TV-protest-escapes.html

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« Reply #327 on: October 03, 2022, 07:24:42 pm »
Russia removes Western Military District commander following losses in Ukraine's Kharkiv region, records show

Uliana Pavlova  |  1 hr 45 min ago


Russian authorities removed the commander of the country's Western Military District (WMD), according records from the country’s Unified State Registry published Monday.

The Unified State Registry, which functions as a state government registry of all registered legal entitles, has listed Col. Gen. Roman Berdnikov as the new commander of Russia’s Western Military District. The announcement comes as Russian forces have pulled out from many parts of eastern Ukraine.

The WMD, based in the western part of Russia, is one of five military districts in the country's military. It played a significant role in Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

Berdnikov replaces Col. Gen. Alexander Zhuravlyov, who has also been a commander in Ukraine’s Kharkiv region where Russian forces suffered heavy losses in past weeks. Bednikov’s appointment comes on the heels of the Russian forces retreat from the strategic eastern city of Lyman, in the eastern Donetsk region.

More on the former commander: Zhuravlyov, who is known for overseeing one of the most brutal chapters of Syria’s war, also oversaw a rocket artillery brigade, whom CNN identified as the brigade that launched cluster munitions attack in residential districts of Kharkiv in late February, during the early days of the war.  .  .

https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-10-03-22

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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #328 on: October 03, 2022, 08:28:51 pm »
In 1996 Ukraine handed over nuclear weapons to Russia "in exchange for a guarantee never to be threatened or invaded".
In 1996 Ukraine handed over nuclear weapons to Russia "in exchange for a guarantee never to be threatened or invaded".

ויקם מלך חדש על מצרים אשר לא ידע את יוסף -Exodus 1:8
And there arose a 'new king' over Egypt, who did not know Joseph.

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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #329 on: October 04, 2022, 12:02:30 am »
@240B

Well,if you can't trust a Communist to be fair and honest.........

HEY! WAIT ONE FREAKING MINUTE,HERE!

LOL!

Your point leads right back to Reagan and why so many of us LOVED him. He said, "trust, but verify". You don't need to verify honorable men you can trust them. IOW, he never really trusted them.
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« Reply #330 on: October 04, 2022, 12:05:18 pm »
'This idiot Putin has gotten himself into a war we cannot win': Russia's military veterans condemn Ukraine invasion... and say Vladimir has doomed his army to defeat

By JACK NEWMAN FOR MAILONLINE
3 October 2022

Russia's military veterans have lined up to slam Vladimir Putin and his faltering war in Ukraine, branding the tyrant an 'idiot'.

After the despot ordered his partial mobilisation last month in a dramatic escalation of the botched invasion, anti-Kremlin opposition has only grown with thousands fleeing the country or arrested for anti-war protests.

Vitaly Votanovsky, who rose to the rank of lieutenant-colonel in the Russian Air Force, is now a vociferous political activist who has been detained multiple times for photographing the graves of dead Russian soldiers.

He told the Moscow Times: 'Putin destroyed the country's military mobilisation resources with his own hands and now this idiot has gotten himself into the war with the entire world.

'He created circumstances in which we cannot win.'

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11275487/Russias-military-veterans-condemn-Ukraine-war-say-Vladimir-doomed-army-defeat.html

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« Reply #331 on: October 04, 2022, 01:57:56 pm »
Putin sends bombers to key nuke base, satellite images show

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2022/10/putin-sends-bombers-to-key-nuke-base-satellite-images-show/

Russian President Vladimir Putin recently sent nuclear-capable bombers to a critical Russian military installation where the country keeps part of its nuclear arsenal. The move is the latest sign that Putin may deploy nuclear weapons.

The Israeli satellite intelligence firm ImageSat International was the first to detect an “irregular presence” of Russian Tu-160 and Tu-95 strategic bombers at Russia’s Olenya Air Base, the Jerusalem Post reported. The base is located in the northwest of Russia, near its border with Finland, and hosts a number of Russian nuclear weapons.

Journalist Donald Standeford shared ImageSat’s photos showing the Russian bombers parked on a runway at the Olenya Air Base.

Satellite photos captured by ImageSat showed four Tu-160s at the Russian nuclear weapons base on Aug. 21st. The firm spotted three additional Tu-95 bombers at the base last week, on Sept. 25.

“Through ongoing Patterns-of-Life, the system indicates that Engels air base is the possible departure point of the strategic bombers detected in Olenya airbase,” the satellite intelligence firm reported.

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« Reply #332 on: October 04, 2022, 02:10:28 pm »
Putin sends bombers to key nuke base, satellite images show
https://americanmilitarynews.com/2022/10/putin-sends-bombers-to-key-nuke-base-satellite-images-show/
Analysts say these bombers are not intended for Ukraine, not necessary to use heavy bombers for only a few kilometers next door. These bombers are intended for long range missions. Such as America or elsewhere.
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« Reply #333 on: October 04, 2022, 02:15:13 pm »
Putin sends bombers to key nuke base, satellite images show

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2022/10/putin-sends-bombers-to-key-nuke-base-satellite-images-show/

Russian President Vladimir Putin recently sent nuclear-capable bombers to a critical Russian military installation where the country keeps part of its nuclear arsenal. The move is the latest sign that Putin may deploy nuclear weapons.

The Israeli satellite intelligence firm ImageSat International was the first to detect an “irregular presence” of Russian Tu-160 and Tu-95 strategic bombers at Russia’s Olenya Air Base, the Jerusalem Post reported. The base is located in the northwest of Russia, near its border with Finland, and hosts a number of Russian nuclear weapons.

Journalist Donald Standeford shared ImageSat’s photos showing the Russian bombers parked on a runway at the Olenya Air Base.

Satellite photos captured by ImageSat showed four Tu-160s at the Russian nuclear weapons base on Aug. 21st. The firm spotted three additional Tu-95 bombers at the base last week, on Sept. 25.

“Through ongoing Patterns-of-Life, the system indicates that Engels air base is the possible departure point of the strategic bombers detected in Olenya airbase,” the satellite intelligence firm reported.

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If that idiot nukes Ukraine,Russia will end up glowing in the dark for generations,and will remain uninhabitable for decades.

It boggles my imagination that the other pampered princes in the Politburo hasn't already removed him from power,or just had him shot.

His massive ego and his insanity (same thing) may well end up costing Russia everything. 

BTW,is there any indication that Hunter Biden has been to Russia in the last 6 months or so to broker a bribe and collect it by promising the Russians that the US will not take part in ANY action against Russia,,either military or economic?

That could be a VERY big payday for "the big guy".
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« Reply #334 on: October 04, 2022, 02:23:36 pm »

@Elderberry

If that idiot nukes Ukraine,Russia will end up glowing in the dark for generations,and will remain uninhabitable for decades.

It boggles my imagination that the other pampered princes in the Politburo hasn't already removed him from power,or just had him shot.

His massive ego and his insanity (same thing) may well end up costing Russia everything. 

BTW,is there any indication that Hunter Biden has been to Russia in the last 6 months or so to broker a bribe and collect it by promising the Russians that the US will not take part in ANY action against Russia,,either military or economic?

That could be a VERY big payday for "the big guy".

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« Reply #335 on: October 04, 2022, 02:37:49 pm »
Analysts say these bombers are not intended for Ukraine, not necessary to use heavy bombers for only a few kilometers next door. These bombers are intended for long range missions. Such as America or elsewhere.

This base is approx. 4,000 miles from NYC.  The Tu-95 Bear can cover that distance and back without refueling.
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« Reply #336 on: October 04, 2022, 03:13:37 pm »
This base is approx. 4,000 miles from NYC.  The Tu-95 Bear can cover that distance and back without refueling.

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Providing,of course,that they can make it here without being shot down first.
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« Reply #337 on: October 04, 2022, 03:23:46 pm »
BTW,is there any indication that Hunter Biden has been to Russia in the last 6 months or so to broker a bribe and collect it by promising the Russians that the US will not take part in ANY action against Russia,,either military or economic?
You just described Gen. Milley dealing with China through his/her self described "backchannels". That is EXACTLY what Milley did, word for word verbatim, only with China not Russia.
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« Reply #338 on: October 04, 2022, 03:27:59 pm »
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Providing,of course,that they can make it here without being shot down first.

Providing, of course, that the person below is both capable and willing to give that order.

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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #339 on: October 04, 2022, 03:36:46 pm »
Providing, of course, that the person below is both capable and willing to give that order.



We all know he's not, especially if he is in a bunker that will survive a nuclear blast.

I think the nuclear saber rattling is overblown. If Russia uses a nuke in Ukraine they will have fallout problems coming back on their own people and they will have to try an occupy territory that irradiated.
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« Reply #340 on: October 04, 2022, 03:39:57 pm »

This base is approx. 4,000 miles from NYC.  The Tu-95 Bear can cover that distance and back without refueling.
I have seen these guys in formation flight in the pacific. They were buzzing our squadron off the coast of Russia in the Bering Sea. You cannot appreciate how big those monsters are until you see them flying over you armed and ready. 46.2 meters long (50.5 yards) - wingspan 50.1 meters (55 yards across). It's like watching a flying city.

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« Reply #341 on: October 04, 2022, 03:45:06 pm »
I have seen these guys in formation flight in the pacific. They were buzzing our squadron off the coast of Russia in the Bering Sea. You cannot appreciate how big those monsters are until you see them flying over you armed and ready. 46.2 meters long (50.5 yards) - wingspan 50.1 meters (55 yards across). It's like watching a flying city.



It appears to be comparable to the B-52, spec-wise.

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« Reply #342 on: October 04, 2022, 03:49:33 pm »
I think the nuclear saber rattling is overblown. If Russia uses a nuke in Ukraine they will have fallout problems coming back on their own people and they will have to try an occupy territory that irradiated.

Much of that depends up on the wind patterns at the time.  An easterly breeze may disperse the fallout over the Ukraine.  Air blast would be preferable, as radiation would fade to safe levels within a week or so.

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« Reply #343 on: October 04, 2022, 03:58:43 pm »
Much of that depends up on the wind patterns at the time.  An easterly breeze may disperse the fallout over the Ukraine.  Air blast would be preferable, as radiation would fade to safe levels within a week or so.
That may possibly be true with a Western sophisticated tac-nuc. However this is Russia we are talking about. They are not known for delicacy. All of their nuclear bombs are what we would call 'dirty bombs'. Not intentionally, that's just all they know.
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« Reply #344 on: October 04, 2022, 04:05:51 pm »
A different approach might be to contaminate the water and land with radioactivity so it isn't useable.  Much like the Romans sowed Carthaginian farmland with salt so Carthage could not rise again as a threat to Rome.
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« Reply #345 on: October 04, 2022, 04:22:12 pm »
It appears to be comparable to the B-52, spec-wise.
Yep. The BUFFs are 48.5 meters long and have a wingspan of 56.4 meters, by comparison. (Yes, they are huge, roughly 4 stories tall.) It has an unrefueled combat range of 8800 miles.
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« Reply #346 on: October 04, 2022, 04:34:53 pm »
Resembles a B-36 Bomber more than B-52.

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« Reply #347 on: October 04, 2022, 04:46:50 pm »
Resembles a B-36 Bomber more than B-52.


It does, but the roles are similar for all three so the morphology follows function. The B-36 was bigger, actually, but required three times the crew, and was 157 MPH slower.
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« Reply #348 on: October 04, 2022, 07:13:55 pm »
Russia's frontline in Ukraine 'collapses' as Kyiv hammers Putin's forces into humiliating retreat: Zelensky's troops sweep '10 miles in four hours' and liberate dozens of occupied towns - as NATO 'warns Kremlin will test NUKES on the border to save face'

By CHRIS PLEASANCE  and NATASHA ANDERSON FOR MAILONLINE
4 October 2022

Russia's frontline has collapsed in the south of Ukraine with dozens of towns liberated in a matter of hours, according to sources on both sides of the conflict.

Kyiv said its troops are 'confidently advancing to the sea' as videos showed the city of Davydiv Brid under their control along with a clutch of smaller settlements in the surrounding countryside.

Meanwhile pro-Russian military bloggers said their forces had retreated around 10 miles down the Dnipro River as the entire northern end of their territory west of the river fell into Ukrainian hands.

It comes just days after President Vladimir Putin declared the Kherson region - along with three others - to be part of Russia, vowing they would belong to Moscow 'forever'.

Meantime, NATO has warned it is anticipating Russia may detonate a nuke on Ukraine's borders in a demonstration of Putin's resolve.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11279355/Russian-frontline-collapses-near-Kherson.html

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« Reply #349 on: October 04, 2022, 07:19:39 pm »
Kyiv gives out potassium iodine pills to evacuation centres in preparation for nuclear attack on Ukraine's capital

By CHRIS JEWERS FOR MAILONLINE
4 October 2022

The city of Kyiv has said it is handing out potassium iodine pills to evacuation centres in preparation for a possible Russian nuclear strike on Ukraine's capital.

Potassium iodine pills can help block the absorption of harmful radiation by the thyroid gland if taken just before or immediately after exposure to nuclear radiation.

The pills will be distributed to residents in areas contaminated by nuclear radiation if there is a need to evacuate, the city council said in a statement - amid Russian President Vladimir Putin's disastrous on-going invasion of Ukraine.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11279761/Kyiv-gives-potassium-iodine-pills-preparation-nuclear-attack-Ukraines-capital.html