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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #225 on: September 22, 2022, 03:48:20 pm »
The problem for Putin is the Ukrainians won't fight the type of war he wants them to. The Ukrainians are fighting a western type of war based on maneuver. The Russians want to fight a war based on attrition. Now Russia is stuck. Even if the Russians can do more than just replaced the exhausted troops in Ukraine with the 300,000 conscripts and if they can supply them as they attack the Ukrainians all the Ukrainians are going to do is slowly withdraw while inflicting the most damage on the invading Russians. On top of this problem for Russia is their dependence of railways which can easily be incapacitated with Himars.

The only hope for Russia is to declare victory and get out of Ukraine.

Need to use up to 300K to rescue the soldiers that are there. 
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« Reply #226 on: September 22, 2022, 04:10:09 pm »
Need to use up to 300K to rescue the soldiers that are there.

Good point.

Of course he could just withdraw. The Ukrainians will gladly let them leave.
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« Reply #227 on: September 22, 2022, 04:16:33 pm »

Need to use up to 300K to rescue the soldiers that are there.
Conscripts are poorly trained and have no zeal (morale) to fight. With Ukraine dropping leaflets telling them that if they surrender, they will be safe, fed, and possibly paid, there is no reason for them to die in the mud for Putin. Russia is not at risk. They are not defending anything as the Ukrainians are. The idea that these conscripts are going to run into the grinder and die for Putin's fantasy is not likely. The first chance they get to bolt, they will be gone.

There have already been reported cases of Russian soldiers killing their overseers and fleeing or surrendering. With these new 300 thousand newly armed conscripts (read civilians), these cases will increase exponentially. I foresee as much killing behind the lines as on the front lines.
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« Reply #228 on: September 22, 2022, 07:58:19 pm »
There are roughly 100K+ Russian troops in Ukraine now. They have no supplies and are starving.
How the hell is Russia going to support 300K more troops, when they cannot feed what they have now?
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« Reply #229 on: September 22, 2022, 08:17:26 pm »
Winter is coming...

The last time Nazis were in Ukraine, they suffered from the onset of winter too, if I recall.
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« Reply #230 on: September 22, 2022, 08:23:20 pm »
The last time Nazis were in Ukraine, they suffered from the onset of winter too, if I recall.
Maybe they can burn the buildings they shelled to keep warm, but winter is extra hard when you can't get resupply. The trick will be for the Ukrainians to keep the rivers from freezing up well enough for the Russians to move equipment and supplies...
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« Reply #231 on: September 22, 2022, 08:33:58 pm »
Thus far. the vast majority of Russian casualties have been from Siberia.  Western Russia has been insulated from the wholesale catastrophe of this was.  That is about to change.  When the people of Moskow, St. Petersburg, Volgograd, and Smolensk begin losing their sons, there will be political upheaval.
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« Reply #232 on: September 23, 2022, 12:47:19 am »
Ukraine war: 'What's happening in Russia now is total fear'

In the centre of the Lithuanian capital Vilnius, a large banner is taped to a tall building, above a Ukrainian flag, that reads: "Putin, the Hague is waiting for you."

On city buses, electronic displays flick between announcing their destination and declaring "love" for Ukraine with little hearts.

This week Lithuania - together with Latvia, Estonia and Poland - banned all Russian tourists, arguing they should not be enjoying democracy and freedom in Europe while their government attacks those very values in Ukraine.

The move has raised concerns among Russian opposition activists already abroad.

"It's strange to ban people for being Russian, whether or not they support Putin's regime," argues Anastasia Shevchenko, an activist who spent two years under house arrest for protesting against the Russian president.

When Russia invaded its neighbour, she was serving a suspended sentence and one wrong move, even an anti-war comment, could have put her behind bars.

But Anastasia could not bear to be silenced, so she squeezed her family's life into a couple of cases and they fled in the middle of the night for Lithuania.

"What is going on in Russia now is like total fear," Anastasia tells me, in Vilnius. "So many people are frightened because we know they can do anything. It's not only prison, or fines: you can be killed or poisoned. It's like a huge prison. All the country."

Since we spoke, Vladimir Putin has declared a partial mobilisation of Russian reservists - the first real test of support for his invasion. The early signs do not look good.

Protesters came out in several cities shouting "no to war!" and even "Putin to the trenches!". More than a thousand people were detained and some were then served with call-up papers at the police station.

But even more Russians are heading for the border by any route left to them.

While queues to enter Finland are growing, Latvia and Estonia both say escaping enlistment is not grounds for asylum. Lithuania will consider cases individually, but the prime minister clarified that it was "not the duty of other countries to save Russians fleeing mobilisation". .................

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« Reply #233 on: September 23, 2022, 01:50:33 am »
Russians flee to border after military call-up

David Molloy & Phelan Chatterjee, BBC  |  4 hours ago


Queues have sprung up along Russia's border as men attempt to leave the country to avoid a military call-up for the war in Ukraine.

President Vladimir Putin announced a partial military mobilisation on Wednesday, which could see 300,000 people summoned to serve in the war.

The Kremlin says reports of fighting-age men fleeing are exaggerated.

But on the border with Georgia, miles-long queues of vehicles have formed including men trying to escape the war.

One man, who did not want to be named, told the BBC's Rayhan Demytrie he had grabbed his passport and headed to the border, without packing anything else, immediately after President' Putin's announcement - because he fell into the group that could potentially be sent to the war.

Some witnesses estimated the queue of cars at the Upper Lars checkpoint to be some 5km (3 miles) long, while another group said it had taken seven hours to get across the border. Video from the scene showed some drivers leaving their cars or trucks temporarily in standstill traffic.

Georgia is one of the few neighbouring countries that Russians can enter without needing to apply for a visa  .  .  .

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« Reply #234 on: September 23, 2022, 11:24:58 am »
Putin’s sham referendums begin: 'Voters' queue at polling stations and police go door-to-door with ballots in occupied Ukraine - raising fears despot will escalate the war by declaring Russia itself is under attack

By CHRIS PLEASANCE FOR MAILONLINE
23 September 2022

Russia has begun staging sham referendums in occupied regions of Ukraine that are almost certain to end with Moscow declaring them to be part of the mainland.

'Voting' will last for five days, but for the first four of those residents will be unable to attend regular polling stations - instead, police and Russia officials will take papers door to door and will invite people to makeshift voting boots in residential areas.

Moscow claims this is for safety reasons to stop the voting stations being attacked, but in reality will provide ample opportunity for intimidation. Polls will also be opened within Russia itself, giving further opportunities for vote-rigging.

Tuesday next week will be the only opportunity for people in the occupied areas to attend regular polling stations, with preliminary results to be released Wednesday.

It is expected that all occupied areas will 'vote' to join Russia, almost certainly with 80 or 90 per cent of people 'voting' yes - as happened when the Kremlin staged a similar stunt in occupied Crimea in 2014.

Western leaders have declared the ballot to be a sham, saying they have no legitimacy and urging other governments not to recognise the results.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11242133/Russia-begins-sham-referendums-occupied-Ukraine.html
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« Reply #235 on: September 23, 2022, 12:14:48 pm »
Details On Russia’s Mobilization

https://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=52718

At lot of details of how Russia will carry out its projected 300,000 man mobilization discussed yesterday are unclear. Binkov’s Battlegrounds, which covers a lot of different military topics, discusses some of the details about how it would (theoretically) be carried out.

Takeaways:

•  “Officially, Putin said mobilization will draw on reservists: only those who served in the armed forces with a certain experience. He further stated those called upon will undergo additional military training.”

•  “He also said no students will get mobilized.”

•  “By law some two million Russians are kept listed as being qualified to serve as reservists. Those are people who had served in the military in the previously; several years, most of them, excluding officers and specialists, between six to eight years ago in theory.”

•  “Even 300 000 might be quite hard for Russia to pull off quickly.”

•  No refresher training for the vast majority.

•  “The social and political climate in Russia is such that many reservists will likely try to dodge service. Russian law was amended alongside the mobilization calling for greater prison sentences for such and similar transgressions. The fact the new law included the provision for prison sentences for voluntary surrenders may already mean even the Russian government expects some people will try to surrender outright to the enemy.” Hard to see how expecting reservists to fight to the death for Vlad’s Big Adventure will increase morale.

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« Reply #236 on: September 23, 2022, 12:16:33 pm »
The Russian people need to realize that this is how Putin and his cronies view them:

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« Reply #237 on: September 23, 2022, 03:55:20 pm »
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« Reply #238 on: September 23, 2022, 06:27:53 pm »
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« Reply #239 on: September 23, 2022, 06:42:45 pm »
Exhumation in forest near Izium completed. 447 bodies found

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The exhumation of those killed by Russian invaders and buried in mass graves in Izium, Kharkiv region, has been completed. A total of 447 bodies have been found.

"The works continued for a week without interruption. 447 bodies were removed from graves. Of them, 215 are women, 194 are men, 5 are children, and 22 are service members. In addition, the remains of 11 people were found, whose gender cannot be determined at the moment," Chief of the National Police of Ukraine Ihor Klymenko posted on Facebook.

As noted, "there are many bodies with traces of torture. Police forensic experts face a difficult task: to identify the body of each killed person. Relatives should bury them in a human way."

He noted that "investigators carefully document every war crime committed by Russian servicemen. Not a single detail will be missed because criminals must be punished."

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« Reply #240 on: September 23, 2022, 06:50:46 pm »
UN rights experts present evidence of war crimes in Ukraine

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-united-nations-war-crimes-48dc36f41bdcfac4720d0b2a0c359073

GENEVA (AP) — A team of experts commissioned by the U.N.’s top human rights body to look into rights violations in Ukraine said Friday its initial investigation turned up evidence of war crimes in the country following Russia’s invasion nearly seven months ago.

The experts from the Commission of Inquiry on Ukraine, mandated by Human Rights Council earlier this year, have so far focused on four regions – Kyiv, Chernihiv, Kharkiv and Sumy.

Presenting their most extensive findings so far, they cited testimonies by former detainees of beatings, electric shocks and forced nudity in Russian detention facilities, and expressed grave concerns about executions the team was working to document in the four regions.

“Based on the evidence gathered by the commission, it has concluded that war crimes have been committed in Ukraine,” Erik Mose, the commission’s chairman, told the Human Rights Council.

Commission investigators visited 27 towns and settlements, as well as graves and detention and torture centers; interviewed more than 150 victims and witnesses; and met with advocacy groups and government officials, Mose said.

He said an unspecified number of Russian soldiers were found to have committed crimes of sexual or gender-based violence – with victims ranging in age from 4 to 82 years old.

The commission plans to gradually expand its investigation, with areas of interest including allegations of filtration camps for people being detained or deported, the forced transfer of people, and allegations of expedited adoption of children.

“The evidence of Russia’s atrocities becomes more horrifying by the day, most recently with the uncovering of mass graves in Izium, where the bodies show signs of torture,” Michele Taylor, the U.S. ambassador to the rights council, said, referring to a Kharkiv regional city that Ukrainian forces recaptured in recent weeks.

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« Reply #241 on: September 23, 2022, 08:21:09 pm »
Putin’s sham referendums begin: 'Voters' queue at polling stations and police go door-to-door with ballots in occupied Ukraine - raising fears despot will escalate the war by declaring Russia itself is under attack

By CHRIS PLEASANCE FOR MAILONLINE
23 September 2022

Russia has begun staging sham referendums in occupied regions of Ukraine that are almost certain to end with Moscow declaring them to be part of the mainland.

'Voting' will last for five days, but for the first four of those residents will be unable to attend regular polling stations - instead, police and Russia officials will take papers door to door and will invite people to makeshift voting boots in residential areas.

Moscow claims this is for safety reasons to stop the voting stations being attacked, but in reality will provide ample opportunity for intimidation. Polls will also be opened within Russia itself, giving further opportunities for vote-rigging.

Tuesday next week will be the only opportunity for people in the occupied areas to attend regular polling stations, with preliminary results to be released Wednesday.

It is expected that all occupied areas will 'vote' to join Russia, almost certainly with 80 or 90 per cent of people 'voting' yes - as happened when the Kremlin staged a similar stunt in occupied Crimea in 2014.

Western leaders have declared the ballot to be a sham, saying they have no legitimacy and urging other governments not to recognise the results.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11242133/Russia-begins-sham-referendums-occupied-Ukraine.html
Considering dissidents have likely been shipped off to a gulag somewhere, what voters are left aren't likely to make waves.
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« Reply #242 on: September 23, 2022, 08:23:05 pm »
Russian state TV tells viewers nuclear war is likely - 'Everyone dies'

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Russian state media are saying nuclear war appears to be “a given” and “everyone will be destroyed” if the West “pushes us into a corner”.

One propagandist even suggested Western countries are the nuclear aggressors, when in reality it has only been Vladimir Putin ramping up nuclear rhetoric since the onset of the Ukraine war.

Another warned “taboos” associated with nuclear attacks “could be lifted in certain circumstances” by Russia.

The exchanges among commentators on Russian state TV were captured and translated by Julia Davis, a Russian media analyst.


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« Reply #243 on: September 23, 2022, 09:01:32 pm »
UN rights experts present evidence of war crimes in Ukraine

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-united-nations-war-crimes-48dc36f41bdcfac4720d0b2a0c359073

GENEVA (AP) — A team of experts commissioned by the U.N.’s top human rights body to look into rights violations in Ukraine said Friday its initial investigation turned up evidence of war crimes in the country following Russia’s invasion nearly seven months ago.

The experts from the Commission of Inquiry on Ukraine, mandated by Human Rights Council earlier this year, have so far focused on four regions – Kyiv, Chernihiv, Kharkiv and Sumy.

Presenting their most extensive findings so far, they cited testimonies by former detainees of beatings, electric shocks and forced nudity in Russian detention facilities, and expressed grave concerns about executions the team was working to document in the four regions.

“Based on the evidence gathered by the commission, it has concluded that war crimes have been committed in Ukraine,” Erik Mose, the commission’s chairman, told the Human Rights Council.

Commission investigators visited 27 towns and settlements, as well as graves and detention and torture centers; interviewed more than 150 victims and witnesses; and met with advocacy groups and government officials, Mose said.

He said an unspecified number of Russian soldiers were found to have committed crimes of sexual or gender-based violence – with victims ranging in age from 4 to 82 years old.

The commission plans to gradually expand its investigation, with areas of interest including allegations of filtration camps for people being detained or deported, the forced transfer of people, and allegations of expedited adoption of children.

“The evidence of Russia’s atrocities becomes more horrifying by the day, most recently with the uncovering of mass graves in Izium, where the bodies show signs of torture,” Michele Taylor, the U.S. ambassador to the rights council, said, referring to a Kharkiv regional city that Ukrainian forces recaptured in recent weeks.

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« Reply #244 on: September 24, 2022, 01:21:22 am »
Panic has already begun
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« Reply #245 on: September 24, 2022, 08:36:28 am »
Russian Oligarchs keep dying by accident.
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« Reply #246 on: September 24, 2022, 05:48:32 pm »
Mikhail Mizintsev appointed deputy defense minister for logistics

Army General Dmitry Bulgakov, who held this position before, has been relieved of it due to his transfer to another job

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Deputy defense minister for logistics Colonel General Mikhail Mizintsev
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MOSCOW, September 24. /TASS/. Colonel General Mikhail Mizintsev, chief of Russia’s National Defense Management Center, was appointed as deputy defense minister for logistics, the Russian Defense Ministry said on Saturday.

" Colonel General Mikhail Mizintsev was appointed as deputy defense minister for logistics. Colonel General M. Mizintsev previously held the post of chief of Russia’s National Defense Management Center," the ministry said in a statement.

Army General Dmitry Bulgakov, who held this position before, has been relieved of it due to his transfer to another job.  .  .  .

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« Reply #247 on: September 24, 2022, 05:53:50 pm »
Putin continues his war against Ukrainian civilians:


Ukrainian cities shelled as Russia pushes forward with Moscow-orchestrated vote

Latest shelling has killed at least 3 people, injured 19 others, presidential office says

Sep 24, 2022 11:52 AM ET | Last Updated: 1 hour ago



People cross a bridge over the Oskil River as black smoke rises in the front-line city of Kupiansk, in Ukraine's Kharkiv region, on Saturday. (Yasuyoshi Chiba/AFP/Getty Images)

Russian forces launched new strikes on Ukrainian cities on Saturday as Kremlin-orchestrated votes took place in occupied regions of Ukraine to create a pretext for their annexation by Moscow.

Meanwhile, hundreds of people were arrested in Russia for trying to protest a mobilization order that commits more troops to the fight in Ukraine.

Ukraine's presidential office said the latest Russian shelling killed at least three people and wounded 19.

Oleksandr Starukh, the governor of Zaporizhzhia, one of the regions in Ukraine where Moscow-installed officials organized referendums on joining Russia, said a Russian missile hit an apartment building in the city of Zaporizhzhia, killing one person and injuring seven others.

Ukraine and its Western allies say the referendums underway in Kherson and Zaporizhzhia in the south and the eastern Luhansk and Donetsk regions have no legal force. They allege that the votes are an illegitimate attempt by Moscow to seize Ukrainian territory stretching from the Russian border to the Crimean Peninsula.


A rescuer gestures in front of a residential building damaged by a Russian missile strike in Zaporizhzhia, Ukraine, on Saturday. (Reuters)

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« Reply #248 on: September 24, 2022, 06:32:12 pm »
Russian Strengthens Prison Terms for Refusal to Fight, Voluntary Surrender, and Looting, Fires Logistics General

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(AFP) – Russia on Saturday toughened penalties for voluntary surrender and refusal to fight with up to 10 years imprisonment and replaced its top logistics general after a series of setbacks to its seven-month war in Ukraine.

The tough new amendments and personnel change come days after Russia instigated partial mobilisation with Kyiv taking back more and more territory in a counter-offensive.

It also comes as Kremlin-held regions of eastern and southern Ukraine voted for a second day on becoming part of Russia, dramatically raising the stakes.

Integrating the four regions into Russia would mean that Moscow would consider any military move there as an attack on its own territory.

Russia’s invasion, launched on February 24, and Ukraine’s recent gains have laid bare flaws with some analysts seeing logistics as the weak link in Moscow’s army.

“Army General Dmitry Bulgakov has been relieved of the post of deputy minister of defence” and will be replaced by Colonel General Mikhail Mizintsev, aged 60, the defence ministry said.

Russia’s partial mobilisation announced on Wednesday will likely be one of his first big logistical challenges with the hundreds of thousands of reservists being called up needing to be equipped and trained before deployment.

Military-age men have sought to leave, with flights full and neighbouring countries receiving an influx of Russians, including Georgia where 2,300 private vehicles were waiting to enter at one crossing, regional Russian authorities said.

Now that President Vladimir Putin has signed the legislation, servicemen who desert, surrender “without authorisation”, refuse to fight or disobey orders can face up to 10 years imprisonment.

Looting will be punishable by 15 years imprisonment.

A separate law, also signed on Saturday, facilitates Russian citizenship for foreigners who enlist in the Russian army as the Kremlin seeks to bolster the ranks.

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« Reply #249 on: September 24, 2022, 09:44:07 pm »
Russia Loses More Ground in Donetsk After Missing Putin's Hard Deadline

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Ukrainian troops have retaken control of a settlement in the eastern Donetsk region, chipping away further at Russian-held territory after President Vladimir Putin's army failed to meet his deadline to take more ground in the region, Ukraine said Friday.

Oleksiy Gromov, deputy chief of the Main Operational Department of the General Staff of the Ukraine Armed Forces, said at a briefing that Ukrainian troops had recaptured the settlement of Yatskivka east of the Oskil River, according to the Ukrainian online newspaper Ukrainska Pravda.

"Our forces are improving their tactical position(s)," Ukrainska Pravda quoted him as saying. "Thanks to timely regrouping of the units of one of the mechanized brigades and high level of combat organization, we managed to retake the lost position and take the positions to the south of Bakhmut under our control."

The city of Bakhmut is the administrative center of the Bakhmut district within the Donetsk region. In the briefing, Hromov said that the situation on the Bakhmut front was complicated but controlled, despite continued attacks from Russian forces, Ukrainska Pravda reported.  .  .

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