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« Reply #825 on: October 22, 2022, 04:06:00 am »
Mock German Panzer V Panther spotted in Ukraine.  Looks like a turret replica on a ATS-59 chassis.  Cool looking, though.

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« Reply #826 on: October 22, 2022, 11:27:41 am »
Lights go out in Ukraine as Russia launches “massive” strike

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-europe-power-outages-e64ad07feb99a59d5187c5a0572eb8b9?utm_source=hubpage&utm_medium=RelatedStories&utm_campaign=position_01

KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Hundreds of thousands of people in central and western Ukraine woke up on Saturday to power outages and periodic bursts of gunfire, as Ukrainian air defense tried to shoot down drones and incoming missiles.

Russia has intensified its strikes on power stations, water supply systems and other key infrastructure across the country, the latest phase of the war as it nears the eight-month mark.

Ukraine’s air force said in a statement Saturday that Russia had launched “a massive missile attack” targeting “critical infrastructure,” hours after air raid sirens blared across the country. It said that it had downed 18 out of 33 cruise missiles launched from air and sea.

Over the past two weeks, Moscow has increased its attacks on key civilian infrastructure across Ukraine. About 40% of the country’s electric power system has been severely damaged, officials said. Zelenskyy said earlier in the week that 30% of Ukraine’s power stations have been destroyed since Oct. 10.

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« Reply #827 on: October 22, 2022, 12:13:21 pm »
Russia has caused ‘humanitarian tragedy’ in Ukraine, Polish UN envoy says

https://www.polskieradio.pl/395/9766/Artykul/3057822,Russia-has-caused-%E2%80%98humanitarian-tragedy%E2%80%99-in-Ukraine-Polish-UN-envoy-says

Poland’s permanent representative to the United Nations has condemned Russia for causing “a tragedy” and “an enormous humanitarian crisis” in Ukraine, and called on the international community to step up pressure on the Kremlin to end the war.

Krzysztof Szczerski made the appeal at a UN Security Council meeting on the situation in Ukraine on Friday night, Polish state news agency PAP reported.

'Russia bears full responsibility for destruction and loss of life' in Ukraine

The Polish envoy told the gathering: “This whole tragedy, this enormous humanitarian crisis is purely man-made. It is Russia who started the aggression, and only Russia bears the full responsibility for all the destruction and loss of life it has caused.”

Szczerski condemned Russia’s current wave of “mass air strikes against civilian infrastructure,” which continued on Saturday, and stressed that the shelling of civilians was a war crime, officials told reporters.

Poland’s ambassador to the UN added that “civilians are protected by international humanitarian law, including the Geneva Conventions,” according to officials.

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« Reply #828 on: October 22, 2022, 02:00:14 pm »
Attacking civilians.  It's what Russia does.
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« Reply #829 on: October 22, 2022, 02:16:18 pm »
Attacking civilians.  It's what Russia does.

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« Reply #830 on: October 22, 2022, 02:36:18 pm »
Lights go out in Ukraine as Russia launches “massive” strike

 
KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Hundreds of thousands of people in central and western Ukraine woke up on Saturday to power outages and periodic bursts of gunfire, as Ukrainian air defense tried to shoot down drones and incoming missiles.

Russia has intensified its strikes on power stations, water supply systems and other key infrastructure across the country, the latest phase of the war as it nears the eight-month mark.

Ukraine’s air force said in a statement Saturday that Russia had launched “a massive missile attack” targeting “critical infrastructure,” hours after air raid sirens blared across the country. It said that it had downed 18 out of 33 cruise missiles launched from air and sea.

Over the past two weeks, Moscow has increased its attacks on key civilian infrastructure across Ukraine. About 40% of the country’s electric power system has been severely damaged, officials said. Zelenskyy said earlier in the week that 30% of Ukraine’s power stations have been destroyed since Oct. 10.

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Of course they did. There are two things that communists REALLY excel at doing. One is murdering civilians,and the other is the communist leadership making sure THEIR asses and the asses of their families are never put at risk.

I am not sure that being a personal coward is an actual requirement to become a communist leader,but it sure seems that way.
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« Reply #831 on: October 22, 2022, 02:38:30 pm »
Attacking civilians.  It's what Russia does.

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Communist leaders are more than happy to murder their own people for nothing more than having "questionable loyalty",so murdering the innocents of other nations is no big deal to them at all.
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« Reply #832 on: October 22, 2022, 03:14:40 pm »
Biden: McCarthy Is ‘Uninformed’ for Saying There Won’t Be Ukraine ‘Blank Check’ — ‘It’s About’ NATO and Europe

IAN HANCHETT  |  21 Oct 2022


During a portion of an interview with MSNBC released on Friday, President Joe Biden responded to House Minority Leader Rep. Kevin McCarthy’s (R-CA) promise that if Republicans take control of Congress, there won’t be a “blank check” for Ukraine and people won’t support a blank check by saying that he “can understand somebody having that view who’s uninformed,” and that while a lot of money is being spent in Ukraine, “it’s so much more than the Ukrainians. It’s about NATO. It’s about Western Europe. It’s about making sure that Putin is not able to succeed in the way that he is using the brutality of his activities.”

Host Jonathan Capehart asked, “Given what Leader McCarthy said, should he even be speaker?”

Biden responded, “Well, look, I can understand somebody having that view who’s uninformed, and believe it, because it costs so much money to help them. We’re spending a lot of money helping the Ukrainians, but it’s so much more than the Ukrainians. It’s about NATO. It’s about Western Europe.  .  .

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2022/10/21/biden-mccarthy-is-uninformed-for-saying-there-wont-be-ukraine-blank-check/



In other words, the $50 billion you are now asking for is for NATO and Western Europe, and not for arming Ukraine.  Got it.
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« Reply #833 on: October 22, 2022, 03:19:45 pm »
Russian torture in occupied Ukraine was 'arbitrary, widespread and absolutely routine'

JOHN SEXTON  |  October 21, 2022  |  5:20 PM




A report published yesterday which documents the routine use of torture in Izium, a small city in eastern Ukraine which was recently recaptured after months of Russian occupation. The Associated Press sent reports to the city and spoke with residents who identified 10 locations which had been used by Russians to torture both Ukrainian military personnel and civilians.

Russian torture in Izium was arbitrary, widespread and absolutely routine for both civilians and soldiers throughout the city, an Associated Press investigation has found. While torture was also evident in Bucha, that devastated Kyiv suburb was only occupied for a month. Izium served as a hub for Russian soldiers for nearly seven months, during which they established torture sites everywhere.

Based on accounts of survivors and police, AP journalists located 10 torture sites in the town and gained access to five of them. They included a deep sunless pit in a residential compound with dates carved in the brick wall, a clammy underground jail that reeked of urine and rotting food, a medical clinic, a police station and a kindergarten…

At a mass grave site created by the Russians and discovered in the woods of Izium, at least 30 of the 447 bodies recently excavated bore visible marks of torture — bound hands, close gunshot wounds, knife wounds and broken limbs, according to the Kharkiv regional prosecutor’s office. Those injuries corresponded to the descriptions of the pain inflicted upon the survivors.

The story, which was co-published with PBS Frontline, is full of first person accounts. For instance, a 38-year-old Ukrainian soldier named Mykola Mosyakyn who was captured and tortured three separate times by the Russians.

“They beat me with sticks. They hit me with their hands, they kicked me, they put out cigarettes on me, they pressed matches on me,” he recounted. “They said, ‘Dance,’ but I did not dance. So they shot my feet.”

After three days they dropped him near the hospital with the command: “Tell them you had an accident.”…

https://hotair.com/john-s-2/2022/10/21/russian-torture-in-occupied-ukraine-was-arbitrary-widespread-and-absolutely-routine-n505047



Not understanding how anyone here can turn a blind eye to this.
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« Reply #834 on: October 22, 2022, 03:25:02 pm »
10 Torture Sites in 1 Town: Russia Sowed Pain, Fear in Izium

Lori Hinnant, Evgeniy Maloletka, Vasilisa Stepanenko  |  OCTOBER 2, 2022



Mattresses lie on the floor in a holding cell at the basement of a police station which was used by Russian forces in the recently liberated town of Izium, Ukraine, Thursday, Sept. 22, 2022. Based on accounts of survivors and police, Associated Press journalists located 10 torture sites in the town and gained access to five of them including the police station. (AP Photo/Evgeniy Maloletka)

IZIUM, Ukraine (AP) — The first time the Russian soldiers caught him, they tossed him bound and blindfolded into a trench covered with wooden boards for days on end.

Then they beat him, over and over: Legs, arms, a hammer to the knees, all accompanied by furious diatribes against Ukraine. Before they let him go, they took away his passport and Ukrainian military ID — all he had to prove his existence — and made sure he knew exactly how worthless his life was.

“No one needs you,” the commander taunted. “We can shoot you any time, bury you a half-meter underground and that’s it.”

The brutal encounter at the end of March was just the start. Andriy Kotsar would be captured and tortured twice more by Russian forces in Izium, and the pain would be even worse.

Russian torture in Izium was arbitrary, widespread and absolutely routine for both civilians and soldiers throughout the city, an Associated Press investigation has found. While torture was also evident in Bucha, that devastated Kyiv suburb was only occupied for a month. Izium served as a hub for Russian soldiers for nearly seven months, during which they established torture sites everywhere.

Based on accounts of survivors and police, AP journalists located 10 torture sites in the town and gained access to five of them. They included a deep sunless pit in a residential compound with dates carved in the brick wall, a clammy underground jail that reeked of urine and rotting food, a medical clinic, a police station and a kindergarten.

The AP spoke to 15 survivors of Russian torture in the Kharkiv region, as well as two families whose loved ones disappeared into Russian hands. Two of the men were taken repeatedly and abused. One battered, unconscious Ukrainian soldier was displayed to his wife to force her to provide information she simply didn’t have.

The AP also confirmed eight men were killed under torture in Russian custody, according to survivors and families. All but one were civilians.  .  .

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/ukraine-war-russia-torture-izium/



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« Reply #835 on: October 22, 2022, 05:44:06 pm »
Biden: McCarthy Is ‘Uninformed’ for Saying There Won’t Be Ukraine ‘Blank Check’ — ‘It’s About’ NATO and Europe

IAN HANCHETT  |  21 Oct 2022


During a portion of an interview with MSNBC released on Friday, President Joe Biden responded to House Minority Leader Rep. Kevin McCarthy’s (R-CA) promise that if Republicans take control of Congress, there won’t be a “blank check” for Ukraine and people won’t support a blank check by saying that he “can understand somebody having that view who’s uninformed,” and that while a lot of money is being spent in Ukraine, “it’s so much more than the Ukrainians. It’s about NATO. It’s about Western Europe. It’s about making sure that Putin is not able to succeed in the way that he is using the brutality of his activities.”

Host Jonathan Capehart asked, “Given what Leader McCarthy said, should he even be speaker?”

Biden responded, “Well, look, I can understand somebody having that view who’s uninformed, and believe it, because it costs so much money to help them. We’re spending a lot of money helping the Ukrainians, but it’s so much more than the Ukrainians. It’s about NATO. It’s about Western Europe.  .  .

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2022/10/21/biden-mccarthy-is-uninformed-for-saying-there-wont-be-ukraine-blank-check/



In other words, the $50 billion you are now asking for is for NATO and Western Europe, and not for arming Ukraine.  Got it.

It would be nice if McCarthy could be half as clear as you.

I'm all for helping Ukraine defeat the invaders, but I believe most, if not all, of the aid should be weaponry. As far as NATO is concerned I would love to see the USA pull out of it. We've carried them on our backs for way too long.
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« Reply #836 on: October 22, 2022, 06:18:35 pm »
Attacking civilians.  It's what Russia does.
It would not be the first time Russians have caused Ukrainians to starve or freeze, something which contributes to Ukrainians' dogged defense of their country.
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« Reply #837 on: October 22, 2022, 06:20:04 pm »
Russian torture in occupied Ukraine was 'arbitrary, widespread and absolutely routine'

JOHN SEXTON  |  October 21, 2022  |  5:20 PM




A report published yesterday which documents the routine use of torture in Izium, a small city in eastern Ukraine which was recently recaptured after months of Russian occupation. The Associated Press sent reports to the city and spoke with residents who identified 10 locations which had been used by Russians to torture both Ukrainian military personnel and civilians.

Russian torture in Izium was arbitrary, widespread and absolutely routine for both civilians and soldiers throughout the city, an Associated Press investigation has found. While torture was also evident in Bucha, that devastated Kyiv suburb was only occupied for a month. Izium served as a hub for Russian soldiers for nearly seven months, during which they established torture sites everywhere.

Based on accounts of survivors and police, AP journalists located 10 torture sites in the town and gained access to five of them. They included a deep sunless pit in a residential compound with dates carved in the brick wall, a clammy underground jail that reeked of urine and rotting food, a medical clinic, a police station and a kindergarten…

At a mass grave site created by the Russians and discovered in the woods of Izium, at least 30 of the 447 bodies recently excavated bore visible marks of torture — bound hands, close gunshot wounds, knife wounds and broken limbs, according to the Kharkiv regional prosecutor’s office. Those injuries corresponded to the descriptions of the pain inflicted upon the survivors.

The story, which was co-published with PBS Frontline, is full of first person accounts. For instance, a 38-year-old Ukrainian soldier named Mykola Mosyakyn who was captured and tortured three separate times by the Russians.

“They beat me with sticks. They hit me with their hands, they kicked me, they put out cigarettes on me, they pressed matches on me,” he recounted. “They said, ‘Dance,’ but I did not dance. So they shot my feet.”

After three days they dropped him near the hospital with the command: “Tell them you had an accident.”…

https://hotair.com/john-s-2/2022/10/21/russian-torture-in-occupied-ukraine-was-arbitrary-widespread-and-absolutely-routine-n505047



Not understanding how anyone here can turn a blind eye to this.

But they were there to 'liberate' these people, right?  **nononono*
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« Reply #838 on: October 22, 2022, 08:25:31 pm »
Russia Is Wasting Its Last Good Troops In A Pointless Attack On A Worthless Town

David Axe  |  Oct 21, 2022  |  06:17pm EDT



Ukrainian troops. UKRAINIAN DEFENSE MINISTRY PHOTO

Six weeks after the Ukrainian army launched twin counteroffensives in eastern and southern Ukraine, Russian forces across the country are regrouping, digging in, pulling back. Bracing for Ukrainian attacks and the coming winter.

There’s one exception. Around the town of Bakhmut, just north of the separatist Donetsk People’s Republic in eastern Ukraine, Russian troops, pro-Russian separatists and mercenaries from The Wagner Group are continuing a desperate, bloody operation they began way back in May. An attack that, despite Russian claims to the contrary, has failed to break Bakhmut’s Ukrainian garrison.

“The enemy is trying to hold the temporarily captured territories,” the Ukrainian general staff reported on Friday. “At the same time, it does not stop trying to conduct offensive actions in the Bakhmut and Avdiivka directions.” Avdiivka lies 25 miles south of Bakhmut.

It barely makes sense. Bakhmut has no strategic value. Western analysts observing the Russian operation around the town, and counting Russia’s mounting losses, have concluded that the Bakhmut op … isn’t really about Bakhmut. It’s about creating a narrative.

“Russian forces are likely continuing to falsify claims of advances in the Bakhmut area to portray themselves as making gains in at least one sector amid continuing losses in northeast and southern Ukraine,” the Institute for the Study of War in Washington, D.C. concluded last month.

The Bakhmut operation is a lie. And it’s a lie that contains more lies. The overall narrative the Kremlin hopes to create is that, despite all the evidence to the contrary, its forces still can win in Ukraine. And the forces contributing to the Bakhmut attack—in particular, the separatists and Wagner—all are trying to take credit for the fictional wins.

Wagner, a for-profit company that has sent thousands of its fighters to Ukraine, clearly hopes to grab a bigger share of the Russian war industry while Russia’s conventional forces are weak from eight months of costly warfare. The company’s financier Yevgeny Prigozhin “is jockeying for more prominence,” ISW posited.

The separatists’ motivation is less tangible. ISW cited Bakhmut’s “emotional significance to pro-war residents of the Donetsk People’s Republic,” but noted the town’s “little other importance.”

The Russians first attacked Bakhmut in May during a broader Russian push into eastern Ukraine—a push that culminated in Russian troops capturing the twin cities of Severodonetsk and Lysychansk in July. The attacks on Severodonetsk and Lysychansk were so costly for Russian forces that they had little choice but to pause.

The Ukrainians took advantage of the pause.  .  .

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/10/21/russia-is-wasting-its-last-good-troops-in-a-pointless-attack-on-a-worthless-town/



This has become exclusively a Wagner Group operation, along with separatists troops from Donetsk and Luhansk.  This is where all those recruited prison convicts have ended up.  The Russians are losing nothing here, letting Wagner and inferior Russo-Ukrainians die for their behalf.
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« Reply #839 on: October 23, 2022, 12:06:53 am »

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By WILL STEWART and BRITTANY CHAIN
PUBLISHED: 13:50 EDT, 22 October 2022

Mutiny in Putin's ranks? Conscripts drafted into Ukraine war 'threaten to topple Russian regime over spluttering invasion'

Dozens of soldiers have staged an extraordinary mutiny against Vladimir Putin
One conscript told the group they should topple the rules over Ukraine invasion
There are mounting concerns from the frontline about the lack of resources
Russian men are being called to war with a lack of food, weapons and clothes

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11343917/Conscripts-drafted-Ukraine-war-threaten-topple-Russian-regime-failing-invasion.html
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« Reply #840 on: October 23, 2022, 01:57:52 pm »
Biden's sending US troops - 101st Airborne - from Ft. Campbell to Europe. What possibly could go wrong?
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« Reply #841 on: October 23, 2022, 02:37:04 pm »
Biden's sending US troops - 101st Airborne - from Ft. Campbell to Europe. What possibly could go wrong?

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The 101st Airborne, as well as many other divisions deploy to Europe on a regular schedule to train with other NATO Troops.

There is NOTHING special about this deployment. Routine.
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« Reply #842 on: October 23, 2022, 07:36:23 pm »
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« Reply #843 on: October 23, 2022, 11:27:44 pm »
Russia’s defense chief warns of ‘dirty bomb’ provocation

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KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Russia’s defense chief alleged Sunday that Ukraine was preparing a “provocation” involving a radioactive device, a stark claim that was strongly rejected by U.S., British and Ukrainian officials amid soaring tensions as Moscow struggles to stem Ukrainian advances in the south.

Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu made the allegations in phone calls with his counterparts from the United States, Britain, France and Turkey.

Russia’s defense ministry said Shoigu voiced concern about “possible Ukrainian provocations involving a ‘dirty bomb,’” a device that uses explosives to scatter radioactive waste. It doesn’t have the devastating effect of a nuclear explosion, but could expose broad areas to radioactive contamination.

Russian authorities repeatedly have made allegations that Ukraine could detonate a dirty bomb in a false flag attack and blame it on Moscow. Ukrainian authorities, in turn, have accused the Kremlin of hatching such a plan.

British Defense Secretary Ben Wallace strongly rejected Shoigu’s claim and warned Moscow against using it as a pretext for escalation.

The British Ministry of Defense noted that Shoigu, in a call with Wallace, “alleged that Ukraine was planning actions facilitated by Western countries, including the UK, to escalate the conflict in Ukraine.”
“The Defense Secretary refuted these claims and cautioned that such allegations should not be used as a pretext for greater escalation,” the ministry said.

The U.S. also rejected Shoigu’s “transparently false allegations,” White House National Security Council spokesperson Adrienne Watson said in a statement. “The world would see through any attempt to use this allegation as a pretext for escalation.”  .  .

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-putin-europe-think-tanks-business-deb83a49c24736928a010b0a449f308c
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« Reply #844 on: October 23, 2022, 11:38:07 pm »
Russia evacuates, escalates in Kherson

Jonathan Landay and Pavel Polityuk  |  October 23 2022 - 5:58pm


Under pressure in the south of Ukraine, Russia has fired missiles and drones into Ukrainian-held Mykolaiv, destroying an apartment block in the ship-building city near the front and said the war was trending towards "uncontrolled escalation".

Mykolaiv lies about 35 kilometres northwest of the front line to occupied Kherson, the southern region where Russia has ordered 60,000 people to flee a Ukrainian counter offensive "to save your lives" .

Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu, who some Russian nationalists have blamed for Moscow's setbacks since the February 24 invasion, discussed the "rapidly deteriorating situation" in calls with French, British and Turkish counterparts, the ministry said on Sunday.

He also spoke by phone with US Defence Secretary Lloyd Austin for the second time in three days. The Pentagon's readout of the call said Austin told Shoigu he "rejected any pretext for Russian escalation".

Without providing evidence, Shoigu said Ukraine could escalate by using a "dirty bomb" - conventional explosives laced with radioactive material. Ukraine does not possess nuclear weapons, while Russia has said it could protect Russian territory with its nuclear arsenal.

Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba rejected the allegation, calling it "absurd" and "dangerous". He added: "Russians often accuse others of what they plan themselves."

The White House National Security Council also rejected Shoigu's claims. "The world would see through any attempt to use this allegation as a pretext for escalation," a statement from the Council said.

In his nightly video message, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said only Russia was capable of using nuclear weapons in Europe, and Shoigu's "telephone carousel" made matters clear.

"Everyone understands full well," Zelenskiy said. "They understand who is the source of all the dirty things imaginable in this war."

A Russian missile strike on Sunday wiped out the top floor of an apartment block in Mykolaiv, sending shrapnel and debris across a plaza and into neighbouring buildings, smashing windows and cracking walls. Cars were crushed under rubble, Reuters witnessed. No fatalities were recorded.

Ukraine shot down 14 Russian "kamikaze" drones over Mykolaiv overnight  .  .  .

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7953200/russia-evacuates-escalates-in-kherson/
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« Reply #845 on: October 23, 2022, 11:52:53 pm »
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'Not a civilian evacuation': Collaborators and Russians leaving Kherson, resident says

Russian officials claim they are trying to remove all civilians from the city, the focus of a major counteroffensive by Ukrainian troops. But in a detailed interview, one resident told Sky News that the evacuation is not designed for them.

John Sparks  |  23 October 2022  |  05:51, UK


Fear is a powerful thing and it is motivating many to leave the Ukrainian city of Kherson.

With Ukrainian troops closing in on the city, thousands have left using ferries to cross the great Dnipro River.

Kherson was the first major city to fall to Vladimir Putin's military after the invasion began in February and its recapture would represent a major prize for the Ukrainians.

In footage filmed for Sky News, we see people in Kherson boarding boats from the city's piers, their bags and suitcases hauled speedily behind them.

However, who exactly are these evacuees? Russian officials say they are trying to remove all civilians, warning of Ukrainian shelling and "terrorist attacks".

But in a detailed interview, one resident of Kherson told Sky News that the evacuation is not designed for them.

"This is not a civilian evacuation. The collaborators are running away and those who came to help the occupiers," said Vlad, a local writer, activist and organiser, whose full name we are not using.

"In truth [those fleeing] number no more than a few thousand people a day.

"And who are those people they are taking out?

"Mostly it's families of Russian officers, families of Russian officials and collaborators who helped to organise the referendum. Among them are teachers and doctors, municipal workers and kindergarten staff.

"Those who have taken Russian passports."  .  .  .

'Everything stolen'

Russia's military chief, General Sergei Surovikin, seemed to raise the prospect of a withdrawal when he told an interviewer that the situation in Kherson has been "difficult".

Our interviewee simply is not sure.

"I don't think anybody knows, even the Russian soldiers," he said. However, the large-scale looting of this city is not something that is open to question.

Sky News has seen pictures of ransacked shops and businesses with signs placed on the front. "Empty," they read. "Everything's stolen." Our interviewee says that everything has been lifted, large and small.

"In the last few days, we've seen them take fire trucks, ambulances, equipment from the cancer clinic and the regional hospital, anything of high value. They take it quickly, load it in the cars and take it to Crimea. It's the robbery of a city."  .  .  .

https://news.sky.com/story/not-a-civilian-evacuation-collaborators-and-russians-fleeing-kherson-resident-says-12727584



Russia did the exact same thing to Ukraine in 1941 in the wake of the German advance.  They stole all the food, capital goods, and anything else of value and took them East.  They also conscripted all Ukrainian males from 16 to 56 and put them in the path of the Wehrmacht to slow the advance.  These Ukrainian units suffered 97% casualties.  Oh, and then the Russians blew all the dams, drowning thousands of Ukrainian civilians downstream.

Spooky how history repeats itself.
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So, after Russia self-immolates, who will get which parts of the carcass?

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« Reply #849 on: October 24, 2022, 12:44:40 pm »
Who do you think you are kidding, Mr Putin? 'Dad's Army' of Russians dragged into spluttering Ukraine invasion includes overweight middle-aged men and women learning how to handle machine guns in bizarre scenes at training camp

By BRITTANY CHAIN FOR MAILONLINE
21 October 2022

Bizarre new pictures have emerged of unassuming, middle-aged Russian civilians who have not yet been called on to fight on the frontlines in Putin's army posing with assault rifles and learning hand-to-hand combat.

The group were taking part in combat and weapons training sessions in Russia's Rostov region - which shares a 250 mile border with Ukraine - to ensure they're prepared to fight if they're needed.

But most of the participants appeared out of place and awkward as they learned how to load and fire Kalishnikov assault weapons.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11341835/Unassuming-Russians-pose-photos-weapons-learn-combat-protect-themselves.html