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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #475 on: October 09, 2022, 02:01:01 am »
Meanwhile in Donetsk Oblast:


'Whole Families' Among 180 Bodies Found in Mass Grave in Lyman: Ukraine

AILA SLISCO  |  10/7/22 AT 7:24 PM EDT


Ukrainian officials say that at least 180 bodies, including "whole families" with young children, have been discovered in a mass grave in Lyman less than one week after troops reclaimed the formerly Russian-occupied city.

Yevhen Zhukov, head of the patrol department of Ukraine's National Police, announced the discovery on Friday in a message posted to a Telegram account that he operates under the call sign "Marshal," according to the state-owned media outlet Ukrinform.

Zhukov said in the message that a mass grave "in which 180 were buried" had been discovered in "freed Lyman," adding that "whole families lie in mass graves," including the "burials of children born in 2019-2021."  .  .

https://www.newsweek.com/whole-families-among-180-bodies-found-mass-grave-lyman-ukraine-1750064
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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #476 on: October 09, 2022, 02:01:23 am »
So it begins
You cannot "COEXIST" with people who want to kill you.
If they kill their own with no conscience, there is nothing to stop them from killing you.
Rational fear and anger at vicious murderous Islamic terrorists is the same as irrational antisemitism, according to the Leftists.

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« Reply #477 on: October 09, 2022, 02:12:39 am »
Russia started it, they invaded, and Ukraine is trying to evict them.
Russia can pack up and leave any time.
That includes the Crimea.

The US has been driving to this war for almost two decades ---- it's why the US pissed all over peace taks since the beginning of the year and are so comfortabe taking about Armageddon @Smokin Joe   Our government loves this war.

Like it or not, this is a US orchestrated war against Russia that began in 2004 with the US-assisted Orange Revolution, continuing through the US-backed coup against the Ukrainian government in 2014 and the start of the hot Ukraine civil war that continues today.

All was going splendidly, with McCain and Graham in 2016 swearing US support to Ukrainian fighters:  "2017 is the year of offense"  (Video)


https://youtu.be/JeWHviwLMy8


Then came President Trump who put a stop to it ------ and was impeached for it.   

But, not even a failed impeachment stopped the US congress, military and department of state from continuing its drumbeat for war with increasing calls for Ukraine's membership in NATO and more miitary aid.

With Biden's installation, the path to war became wide open ----- throwing flaming hyperboles at any talk of peace:  POTUS has even called for the removal of Putin, Ukraine's admission to NATO, and promised to stop the Russian pipelines "one way or the other".  Blinken calls the sabotage of the pipeines a "great opportunity".

Biden and Congress are busy destroying our economy for generations to support Ukraine's military and insure no worker for the Ukrainian government goes without a paycheck ---- when members of Congress aren't busy calling for Putin's assassination.  The US military has put the replenishment of our weapons a priority second to Ukraine's.

This war is not about "freedom" ---- Ukraine is a black hole of international corruption masquerading as a country.  This is yet another boundary dispute in Europe's centuries' old disputes in The Borderland.

From its start 18 years ago to its finish, this is a US war ---- being fought with the more expendable --- and one we're quickly escalating.

Our government does all of this without articulating a single US national security concern or other US interest.  Shoudn't we be demanding  one before the mushroom cloud?



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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #478 on: October 09, 2022, 02:15:19 am »
Like it or not, this is a US orchestrated war against Russia that began in 2004 with the US-assisted Orange Revolution, continuing through the US-backed coup against the Ukrainian government in 2014 and the start of the hot Ukraine civil war that continues today.

Pure bullshit.
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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #479 on: October 09, 2022, 02:21:55 am »
Russian missile strike kills 3 people, destroys apartment block in Ukraine's Zaporizhzhia

October 6, 20228:40 AM EDT


A Russian rocket strike destroyed a five-storey apartment block in the southern Ukrainian city of Zaporizhzhia, killing at least three people and leaving other residents trapped under rubble, the regional governor and emergencies service said on Thursday.

Firefighters rushed through the streets to tackle the blazes after the overnight attack, and more explosions were heard on Thursday morning in what local officials said was a renewed Russian strike.

He later told Ukrainian television that one woman was killed in the overnight shelling, but said another woman who was earlier reported dead had survived.

Ukrainian emergencies service said later on Thursday a total of three bodies had been pulled from the rubble.

Twelve people were wounded, including a three-year-old child. Five were still under the rubble, Starukh said.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/shelling-ukraines-zaporizhzhia-causes-fires-injuries-official-2022-10-06/



Putin's war against Ukrainian civilians continues.
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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #480 on: October 09, 2022, 02:47:43 am »
Pure bullshit.

If any of that was even vaguely true, Ukrainians would have joined the Russians in their invasion and not dug in against them. The proof of the lie is available for anyone willing to see.

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« Reply #481 on: October 09, 2022, 02:54:34 am »
Now what?
You cannot "COEXIST" with people who want to kill you.
If they kill their own with no conscience, there is nothing to stop them from killing you.
Rational fear and anger at vicious murderous Islamic terrorists is the same as irrational antisemitism, according to the Leftists.

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« Reply #482 on: October 09, 2022, 02:57:19 am »
Russian missile strike kills 3 people, destroys apartment block in Ukraine's Zaporizhzhia

Putin's war against Ukrainian civilians continues.
That was a miss, by the Russians. That is not what they were hoping to hit.
There are plenty are targets there which do not include 'apartments'.
Russians are incompetent boobs.
You cannot "COEXIST" with people who want to kill you.
If they kill their own with no conscience, there is nothing to stop them from killing you.
Rational fear and anger at vicious murderous Islamic terrorists is the same as irrational antisemitism, according to the Leftists.

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« Reply #483 on: October 09, 2022, 03:56:04 am »
Stay calm everyone
You cannot "COEXIST" with people who want to kill you.
If they kill their own with no conscience, there is nothing to stop them from killing you.
Rational fear and anger at vicious murderous Islamic terrorists is the same as irrational antisemitism, according to the Leftists.

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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #484 on: October 09, 2022, 01:19:30 pm »
The proof of the lie is available for anyone willing to see.

The proof of the lie has been posted here multiple times.  Yet the poster continues to peddle it knowing full well that it is a lie.
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« Reply #485 on: October 09, 2022, 01:21:43 pm »
That was a miss, by the Russians. That is not what they were hoping to hit.

But they have become quite proficient in hitting apartments, schools, and other civilian targets over the last several months.
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« Reply #486 on: October 09, 2022, 01:22:47 pm »
Stay calm everyone

Didn't the Nazis do the exact same thing after the July '44 plot?
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« Reply #487 on: October 09, 2022, 02:28:41 pm »
Six children among those in hospital after attack on Zaporizhzhia, governor says

7h ago  |  02:40


The number of people affected by the Russian shelling in the city of Zaporizhzhia is still uncertain.

Earlier, authorities said that 17 people had been killed, then that dozens had been killed or injured.

Oleksandr Starukh, the governor of the Zaporizhzhia region, has now said that at least 12 people were killed and 49 have been taken to hospital.

In the Telegram post below, he says: "Tonight the enemy used tactical aviation for a missile attack on the regional centre.

"According to preliminary information, the planes fired 12 missiles at Zaporizhzhia.


"Most of the rockets hit residential high rises and private houses in one of the district of Zaporizhzhia.

"A nine-storey building was partially destroyed. Five houses were destroyed. Affected infrastructure objects.

"Twenty cars were damaged. So far, 12 people have died. Forty-nine victims were hospitalised, including six children.

"The information is being clarified. There may be people under the rubble.

"A rescue operation is underway at the scene. Eight people have already been rescued. The victims are provided with the necessary assistance."

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-latest-news-large-fire-on-key-bridge-linking-russia-to-crimea-mass-graves-uncovered-in-liberated-town-12541713?postid=4622081#liveblog-body
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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #488 on: October 09, 2022, 05:26:27 pm »
If any of that was even vaguely true, Ukrainians would have joined the Russians in their invasion and not dug in against them. The proof of the lie is available for anyone willing to see.

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« Reply #489 on: October 09, 2022, 06:32:27 pm »
If any of that was even vaguely true, Ukrainians would have joined the Russians in their invasion and not dug in against them. The proof of the lie is available for anyone willing to see.

How have you missed the civil war in Eastern Ukraine that's been raging for eight years @DB ?

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« Reply #490 on: October 09, 2022, 06:33:42 pm »
How have you missed the civil war in Eastern Ukraine that's been raging for eight years @DB ?

Eight years.  That's the number of years that Russian troops have occupied Ukrainian soil.
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« Reply #491 on: October 09, 2022, 06:38:36 pm »
Eight years.  That's the number of years that Russian troops have occupied Ukrainian soil.

Like how France occupied the US between 1778 and 1782?

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« Reply #492 on: October 09, 2022, 06:40:06 pm »
Like how France occupied the US between 1778 and 1782?

No.  Not even close.
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« Reply #493 on: October 09, 2022, 06:46:59 pm »
No.  Not even close.

My bad----I assumed you'd figure out mine was a rhetorical question. 

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« Reply #494 on: October 09, 2022, 06:47:42 pm »
My bad----I assumed you'd figure out mine was a rhetorical question.

That makes it even more obtuse.
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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #495 on: October 09, 2022, 06:49:33 pm »
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The war has shined light on a giant civil divide in eastern Ukraine. In Crimea, over 90% prefers Russia. Elsewhere close to border, you find high numbers too. Ukraine is truly two countries. The spirit of a united country is long gone, broken by outside interests & corrupt govt.

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« Reply #496 on: October 09, 2022, 07:00:58 pm »
Ninety percent of people living in America speak English.  Does that mean we want to be part of England?  Seriously, how many times are you going to bring up this idiotic argument?
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« Reply #497 on: October 09, 2022, 07:27:29 pm »
Russians conduct air strike on convoy of civilian vehicles in Kherson Oblast, killing at least 5

Sun, October 9, 2022 at 7:28 AM




At least five people were killed in the Russian attack on civilians.

The civilians were waiting to cross to the left bank of the Dnipro River near the mouth of the Inhulets River.

According to the police officer, people heard the sound of an aircraft above and saw it firing at them. As a result of the attack, an unidentified projectile, probably a rocket, made a direct hit on a van. At least five people were killed and another five were wounded.  .  .

https://news.yahoo.com/russians-conduct-air-strike-convoy-112800916.html
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« Reply #498 on: October 09, 2022, 07:30:30 pm »
Most of Canada speaks English and shares a common culture with the US. Does that mean we should just take it?

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« Reply #499 on: October 09, 2022, 07:31:20 pm »
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