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Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #827 on: August 10, 2022, 08:15:22 pm »
Two different versions... :shrug:
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Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #829 on: August 10, 2022, 08:18:09 pm »
You didn't give me a link demonstrating that the FBI must have a chain of custody showing that the boxes originated from the White House and were packed by the GSA.

Try again.

Here is you responding to it:
That chain of custody should include records of the boxes being packed by the GSA and shipped to Maralago after Trump left office.

https://nypost.com/2022/08/10/trump-says-fbi-wouldnt-let-his-attorneys-watch-raid/

Why?

From the article:

The boxes contain documents from Trump’s tenure at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue — reportedly including letters from former President Barack Obama and North Korea leader Kim Jong Un.

The material had been packed up by the General Services Administration and shipped to Mar-a-Lago when Trump left office in January 2020, a legal source told The Post.
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Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #832 on: August 10, 2022, 08:33:12 pm »
When it become a felony ? When Trump made removing classified documents a felony....

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« Reply #834 on: August 10, 2022, 08:35:50 pm »
In the case of Pennsylvania they weren't the sole arbiter though. Mark Elias and the AG for the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania...who is running for Governor by the way...circumvented the state and federal constitution in this instance.
Exactly.

There is no constitutional jurisdiction either federally or state that makes the legislature the sole author or arbiter.

20 Attorney Generals together representing their respective states filed and/or supported that petition.

The Supreme Court never said only the state legislature was the sole author or arbiter, and not the state AGs from acting on behalf of their respective states.
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Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #836 on: August 10, 2022, 08:45:15 pm »

https://twitter.com/leslibless/status/1557457614342062081


Uh-oh... The cams stayed on... Somebody at the FBI just pooped a little bit.

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« Reply #837 on: August 10, 2022, 08:56:04 pm »
Exactly.

There is no constitutional jurisdiction either federally or state that makes the legislature the sole author or arbiter.

Then obviously that makes the opposite true - Others CAN mess with election law, and others CAN certify it.

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Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #838 on: August 10, 2022, 09:08:48 pm »
Here is you responding to it:
Why?


From the article:

The boxes contain documents from Trump’s tenure at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue — reportedly including letters from former President Barack Obama and North Korea leader Kim Jong Un.

The material had been packed up by the General Services Administration and shipped to Mar-a-Lago when Trump left office in January 2020, a legal source told The Post.

That still doesn't require a chain of custody from GSA/the White House to Mar-a-Lago.  It is sufficient if documents he is not supposed to have are nonetheless in his possession.  If he wants to argue some fruitcake "the GSA secretly salted them in those boxes" argument, he's free to do so, but that's on him; the government is not required to disprove that theory.

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Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #839 on: August 10, 2022, 09:15:33 pm »
Judge Jeanine just said on the five that she had just talked to Eric Trump they never got to see the warrant and they have no idea what they took they did not get a list
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Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #840 on: August 10, 2022, 09:32:33 pm »
That still doesn't require a chain of custody from GSA/the White House to Mar-a-Lago.  It is sufficient if documents he is not supposed to have are nonetheless in his possession.  If he wants to argue some fruitcake "the GSA secretly salted them in those boxes" argument, he's free to do so, but that's on him; the government is not required to disprove that theory.

"Must" and "require" are your words, not mine.
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Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #841 on: August 10, 2022, 09:35:51 pm »
"Must" and "require" are your words, not mine.

I never said they were your words.  Your words required there to be a chain of custody from the GSA to Mar-a-Lago, and that is simply not the case.  Or are you now disavowing even that?

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« Reply #842 on: August 10, 2022, 09:42:56 pm »
Your words required there to be a chain of custody from the GSA to Mar-a-Lago

Nope.  I said "That chain of custody should include".  Never did I say it was required.  My point is that the GSA packed the boxes and shipped them to Maralago.  Can't fault Trump for that.  The evidence taken into custody originated with the GSA.  Trump did not remove said boxes from the White House.
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Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #843 on: August 10, 2022, 09:47:19 pm »
So if it is an felony to take classified documents (Trump signed it into law himself) and Trump (who is already wishywashy on gun issues) is found guilty, would we want a bitter felon that can't own guns even in the WH? Just thinking out loud, since felons are not barred from running for President. We know that democrats can use this card to play out in mid-term if Trump wins, and make another 4 years of a poop-show in office.

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Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #844 on: August 10, 2022, 09:49:28 pm »
When it become a felony ? When Trump made removing classified documents a felony....



Well I will say I hope Trump didn't break a law he himself signed. That would be unfortunate to say the least.

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« Reply #845 on: August 10, 2022, 09:49:46 pm »
So if it is an felony to take classified documents (Trump signed it into law himself) and Trump (who is already wishywashy on gun issues) is found guilty, would we want a bitter felon that can't own guns even in the WH? Just thinking out loud, since felons are not barred from running for President.

Yes the above post might be aimed at inflaming some folks...

Those are two insurmountable 'ifs' there.
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« Reply #846 on: August 10, 2022, 09:52:01 pm »
Those are two insurmountable 'ifs' there.

Yeah, I don't feel great today and I tend to be a little mean when that occurs, don't mind me throwing turds from the sideline.
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« Reply #847 on: August 10, 2022, 10:05:24 pm »
When it become a felony ? When Trump made removing classified documents a felony....



Maybe you should actually read the statute instead of posting a photo of it from some leftwing website.



18 U.S. Code § 1924 - Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material

(a)Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.

(b)For purposes of this section, the provision of documents and materials to the Congress shall not constitute an offense under subsection (a).

(c)In this section, the term “classified information of the United States” means information originated, owned, or possessed by the United States Government concerning the national defense or foreign relations of the United States that has been determined pursuant to law or Executive order to require protection against unauthorized disclosure in the interests of national security.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1924



How nice of Congress to exempt themselves from this statute.  But the key bits are in sections 'a' and 'c'.  Section 'c' specifically pertains to "classified" documents (i.e. documents affecting national security).  Such documents have ZERO to do with this Maralago search.  And then there's Section 'a' which applies only to officers, employees, contractors, or consultants of the United States.  Trump was none of these when he gained possession of these documents shipped to him by the GSA after he left office.
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Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #848 on: August 10, 2022, 10:16:31 pm »
Judge Orders Department of Justice to Respond to Requests to Unseal FBI’s Trump Warrant

Jack Phillips  |  August 10, 2022


The Justice Department has to respond to motions to unseal a warrant that triggered the FBI raid on former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home, according to a magistrate judge who reportedly approved the search.

Judicial Watch and the Albany Times Union newspaper filed a motion to unseal the document earlier this week, which was granted by a judge in the case.

“On or before 5:00 p.m. Eastern time on August 15, 2022, the Government shall file a Response to the Motion to Unseal,” wrote Judge Bruce Reinhart on Wednesday afternoon, referring to the Department of Justice.

“The response may be filed ex parte and under seal as necessary to avoid disclosing matters already under seal. In that event, the Government shall file a redacted Response in the public record. If it chooses, the Government may file a consolidated Response to all Motions to Seal,” he wrote.

Neither the FBI nor Justice Department has issued public comments about the raid, which was first confirmed by Trump on Monday evening.

The FBI declined to comment when contacted by The Epoch Times, and the Justice Department has not responded to several requests for comment.

As for the White House, press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said President Joe Biden was not aware  .  .  .

https://www.theepochtimes.com/judge-orders-department-of-justice-to-respond-to-requests-to-unseal-fbis-trump-warrant_4655899.html
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Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #849 on: August 10, 2022, 10:23:50 pm »
Then obviously that makes the opposite true - Others CAN mess with election law, and others CAN certify it.

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You now are making no sense.

This has to do with the petition to the US SCOTUS on Texas vs Pennsylvania submitted/supported by AGs of 20 states.

This is a fundamental constitutional issue only between states, with SCOTUS as arbiter.  This is not an election issue.

Try to keep up.
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