Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis suspends 'Soros-backed' state attorney who refused to enforce abortion ban

[catfish1957]

By the day, I am upping the odds this guy becomes POTUS one day.

[Kamaji]

By the day, I am upping the odds this guy becomes POTUS one day.

[Wingnut]

By the day, I am upping the odds this guy becomes POTUS one day.

And in the month of October before that election year The Rats will "find" a surprise! 

[Ghost Bear]

Yes, elections have consequences but is having police remove the elected official over this the solution we want to support?
...

How would you prefer he be treated?  As @PeteS in CA pointed out, people get escorted out by security when fired or laid off all the time. I see this as no different.

[libertybele]

The root of the lawlessness is Soros' bribery.  Surely there are enough GOP AG's to make this case.

Yes, Soros is a problem and IMHO the only way to even come close to stopping him, is to hold people accountable who he has bribed or who support his ideology. I don't think Soros and his family can be stopped.  He has invested $$ in corporations all over the world.

I was troubled because of the relationship of Trump's advisor, Kushner when I learned that Joshua and Jared Kushner received their start up money for Cadre from Soros. However, if you look up Cadre today there is very little mention of the Kushners. (I had posted that info a few years back with links, including being backed by Soros)  However if you go into Thrive Capital, the Kushners are named as owners -- all originating from Cadre. 

In 2014, Kushner, with his brother Joshua and Ryan Williams, co-founded Cadre (now RealCadre LLC), an online real-estate investment platform. His business partners included Goldman Sachs and billionaire George Soros, a top Democratic Party donor. In early 2015, Soros Fund Management financed the startup with a $250 million credit line. Kushner did not identify these business relationships in his January 2017 government financial-disclosure form. In 2020, his ownership stake in Cadre was estimated at $25–50 million.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Kushner
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Kushner#Thrive_Capital

Back to Soros.

The most disturbing entity that he leads is the "Open Society Foundation"  If I recall correctly his children run this foundation to promote his agenda and are involved in various different spin-off companies.

https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/

He is a prominent stockholder in various companies (I'm not sure of the accuracy of the links below?)

https://hedgefollow.com/funds/Soros+Fund+Management

Companies that he owns:

https://noblegoldinvestments.com/george-soros-owned-companies/

Soros has a fund management company, however the website is not secure (caution) so I didn't go into the website.

No, I don't think he and his family can be stopped.  They are too big, have too much money and are entrenched already in our society through various different people and organizations. 

[Right_in_Virginia]

How would you prefer he be treated?  As @PeteS in CA pointed out, people get escorted out by security when fired or laid off all the time. I see this as no different.

It's not the police escort @Ghost Bear .... it's throwing out the will of the people (I'm a little sensitive to this) for what appears to be --- at its core --- a policy difference.

I'm not convinced being "weak on crime" is a crime or not prosecuting abortion after 15 weeks doesn't fall under prosecutorial discretion (for a host of reasons).

I also think the optics were off.  This was a big move ---- throwing aside the will of the people in Tampa who twice elected this man.   It should have been given a sober explanation in a serious five minute speech by the governor ---- and just the governor.  IMO, the campaign stop venue diminished the message and the motives.

But, I do understand the enthusiasm for action --- any action.   

[Right_in_Virginia]

If the Open Society Foundation is operating as an NGO, can't a state regulate its operations, including tranparency, election interference and financial limitations? @libertybele   ----- Go after the man's organization, rather than the man?

[libertybele]

If the Open Society Foundation is operating as an NGO, can't a state regulate its operations, including tranparency, election interference and financial limitations? @libertybele   ----- Go after the man's organization, rather than the man?

@Right_in_Virginia  I simply don't know the answer to that and I am not an attorney or an attorney that deals in international law. IMO As much money as Soros and his family have and as many people who are involved, I think it is doubtful.  He has many organizations and many people under his wings all over the world.  The magnitude with which his money reaches is mind boggling. Perhaps you may be able to shut down one corporation but not all of them. (They all have the same socialist agenda). Shut down one and he or his kids open up another. His corporations are registered LLC, so for the most part his assets I believe are protected. 

[mystery-ak]

Suspended Florida State Attorney Lashes Out, Pledges to Defy Ron DeSantis
By Bonchie | Aug 05, 2022 3:00 PM ET


Gov. Ron Desantis recently made the boss move of suspending a State Attorney who signed a pledge to not enforce Florida’s abortion and childhood transgender transition laws. Now, Andrew Warren is pledging to defy DeSantis, saying he will continue to do his job.

That happened on CBS News, with Warren accusing his state’s abortion law of being “unconstitutional” while slamming DeSantis.

https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1555522318427996161

more
https://redstate.com/bonchie/2022/08/05/suspended-florida-state-attorney-lashes-out-pledges-to-defy-ron-desantis-n607546

[Ghost Bear]

It's not the police escort @Ghost Bear .... it's throwing out the will of the people (I'm a little sensitive to this) for what appears to be --- at its core --- a policy difference.

I'm not convinced being "weak on crime" is a crime or not prosecuting abortion after 15 weeks doesn't fall under prosecutorial discretion (for a host of reasons).

I also think the optics were off.  This was a big move ---- throwing aside the will of the people in Tampa who twice elected this man.   It should have been given a sober explanation in a serious five minute speech by the governor ---- and just the governor.  IMO, the campaign stop venue diminished the message and the motives.

But, I do understand the enthusiasm for action --- any action.   

I see, you're hung up about the abortion issue.  But that wasn't the only thing mentioned in the press conference, they also talked about felons not being prosecuted and being let out on the streets to commit more crimes.  The Florida constitution allows for the governor to suspend state officials for "... reasons of misfeasance, malfeasance, neglect of duty, drunkenness, incompetence, permanent inability to perform official duties, or commission of a felony."  That is taken from the press release announcing the move.

IMHO, refusing to uphold the laws of the state (whatever law it might be) is clear neglect of duty, when most state officials take oaths of office that specifically mention faithfully upholding and executing state laws. The state attorney's statement that he wouldn't prosecute anyone breaking the abortion law was just the latest law the state attorney was refusing to prosecute; he had already been refusing to prosecute many other laws.

[libertybele]

It's not the police escort @Ghost Bear .... it's throwing out the will of the people (I'm a little sensitive to this) for what appears to be --- at its core --- a policy difference.

I'm not convinced being "weak on crime" is a crime or not prosecuting abortion after 15 weeks doesn't fall under prosecutorial discretion (for a host of reasons).

I also think the optics were off.  This was a big move ---- throwing aside the will of the people in Tampa who twice elected this man.   It should have been given a sober explanation in a serious five minute speech by the governor ---- and just the governor.  IMO, the campaign stop venue diminished the message and the motives.

But, I do understand the enthusiasm for action --- any action.   

@Right_in_Virginia I don't think it was simply a matter of policy difference, but rather being vocal about not enforcing the laws in place. 

One problem, I agree is DeSantis suspended him based on what Warren's plans were in the future. However even as an elected official, Warren should not be able to pick and choose which laws he's going to enforce based on his personal opinion.  I think DeSantis was trying to make a case that we have laws and our elected officials should follow those laws., including Warren.

DeSantis said the decision to suspend Warren came after he directed staff to review whether any state attorneys in Florida had taken it "upon themselves to determine which laws they like and will enforce," after watching prosecutors in other states decline to press charges for certain crimes.

[libertybele]

Suspended Florida State Attorney Lashes Out, Pledges to Defy Ron DeSantis
By Bonchie | Aug 05, 2022 3:00 PM ET


Gov. Ron Desantis recently made the boss move of suspending a State Attorney who signed a pledge to not enforce Florida’s abortion and childhood transgender transition laws. Now, Andrew Warren is pledging to defy DeSantis, saying he will continue to do his job.

That happened on CBS News, with Warren accusing his state’s abortion law of being “unconstitutional” while slamming DeSantis.

https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1555522318427996161

more
https://redstate.com/bonchie/2022/08/05/suspended-florida-state-attorney-lashes-out-pledges-to-defy-ron-desantis-n607546

Unconstitutional??  I think Warren might want to rethink that statement.

The outcome of this will be interesting and I hope DeSantis prevails. (Hey, he took on Mickey Mouse hopefully he'll be able to take on this clown).

[GtHawk]

Unconstitutional??  I think Warren might want to rethink that statement.

The outcome of this will be interesting and I hope DeSantis prevails. (Hey, he took on Mickey Mouse hopefully he'll be able to take on this clown).

Seems to me the people of Florida are well and truly fed up with liberal socialist bullshit, so I wonder just how they will decide their laws should be enforced and defended, isn't there election coming up for the office?

[libertybele]

Seems to me the people of Florida are well and truly fed up with liberal socialist bullshit, so I wonder just how they will decide their laws should be enforced and defended, isn't there election coming up for the office?

At one point in time during the pandemic we had close to 1,000 people moving to FL a day. Mostly from CA, NY, and NJ. Sure they fled blue states, but did they leave their liberal values behind or did they bring them with them? 

As for voting; DeSantis ran against Gillum last election and narrowly won.  Gillum is currently being charged with fraud and conspiracy. To think that Gillum almost got away with stealing an election is troubling.

FL is now considered a red state, but there are several large counties that are pretty liberal and Hillsborough (Warren's turf) is one of them. Liberals elected him.

[Wingnut]

Seems to me the people of Florida are well and truly fed up with liberal socialist bullshit, so I wonder just how they will decide their laws should be enforced and defended, isn't there election coming up for the office?

Always remember that the farther north you go in FL the more southern you get.

Supposedly Abe Lincoln coined a version of that saying.  It still holds true today.

[Kamaji]

Unconstitutional??  I think Warren might want to rethink that statement.

The outcome of this will be interesting and I hope DeSantis prevails. (Hey, he took on Mickey Mouse hopefully he'll be able to take on this clown).

[Kamaji]

@Right_in_Virginia I don't think it was simply a matter of policy difference, but rather being vocal about not enforcing the laws in place. 

One problem, I agree is DeSantis suspended him based on what Warren's plans were in the future. However even as an elected official, Warren should not be able to pick and choose which laws he's going to enforce based on his personal opinion.  I think DeSantis was trying to make a case that we have laws and our elected officials should follow those laws., including Warren.

DeSantis said the decision to suspend Warren came after he directed staff to review whether any state attorneys in Florida had taken it "upon themselves to determine which laws they like and will enforce," after watching prosecutors in other states decline to press charges for certain crimes.

I believe the crux of the matter is that Warren signed a joint statement along with a whole slew of other leftist prosecutors stating that they would exercise their prosecutorial discretion in blanket form to refuse to pursue otherwise valid cases under the anti-grooming statutes some states have enacted, including those in Florida.

As the order suspending Warren states, prosecutors have discretion on a case-by-case basis to decide whether or not to pursue a case, but that a blanket refusal to enforce a given law against anyone is essentially the functional equivalent of a veto of that law, and therefore is arguably neglect of duty - and neglect of duty is one of the bases under the Florida constitution for which the governor can lawfully suspend a states attorney such as Warren.

So, until Warren gets the order thrown out, he is suspended, and DeSantis was within his powers as governor to have him removed from office by the police, given Warren's stated intention to refuse to recognize the suspension order.

[Fishrrman]

RinVa moans:
"Yes, elections have consequences but is having police remove the elected official over this the solution we want to support?"

YES.
Throw them out.
REMOVE them.
IF they won't leave voluntarily, use force if required.

THIS IS WAR. Not quite "hot", not yet.
But we're in a national "cold civil war".

In the words of Admiral Halsey:
"Attack -- repeat -- Attack!"

Have I made my thoughts clear to you?

[Fishrrman]

Catfish observes (re DeSantis):
"By the day, I am upping the odds this guy becomes POTUS one day."

Yes.
We need him.
But NOT in 2024.
We need him in 2028 and 2032.

But in 2024, there remains someone else that we need more.

[libertybele]

Catfish observes (re DeSantis):
"By the day, I am upping the odds this guy becomes POTUS one day."

Yes.
We need him.
But NOT in 2024.
We need him in 2028 and 2032.

But in 2024, there remains someone else that we need more.

Too early to speculate IMO and we need DeSantis to stay here in FL.

[cato potatoe]

But in 2024, there remains someone else that we need more.

We get it.  It’s His Turn. 

[Kamaji]

Catfish observes (re DeSantis):
"By the day, I am upping the odds this guy becomes POTUS one day."

Yes.
We need him.
But NOT in 2024.
We need him in 2028 and 2032.

But in 2024, there remains someone else that we need more.

Who is that, whom we "need" in 2024?

[Right_in_Virginia]

@Right_in_Virginia I don't think it was simply a matter of policy difference, but rather being vocal about not enforcing the laws in place. 

One problem, I agree is DeSantis suspended him based on what Warren's plans were in the future. However even as an elected official, Warren should not be able to pick and choose which laws he's going to enforce based on his personal opinion.  I think DeSantis was trying to make a case that we have laws and our elected officials should follow those laws., including Warren.

DeSantis said the decision to suspend Warren came after he directed staff to review whether any state attorneys in Florida had taken it "upon themselves to determine which laws they like and will enforce," after watching prosecutors in other states decline to press charges for certain crimes.

So, is Warren the only state attorney in Florida not meeting the governor's standards @libertybele ?

[Right_in_Virginia]

RinVa moans:
"Yes, elections have consequences but is having police remove the elected official over this the solution we want to support?"

YES.
Throw them out.
REMOVE them.
IF they won't leave voluntarily, use force if required.

THIS IS WAR. Not quite "hot", not yet.
But we're in a national "cold civil war".

In the words of Admiral Halsey:
"Attack -- repeat -- Attack!"

Have I made my thoughts clear to you?

Yup @Fishrrman

[Cyber Liberty]

DeSantis Sends Cops To Physically Remove Suspended 'Soros-Backed' State Attorney

I love DeSantis.  He plays hardball.