Do you think our Constitutional Republic can make it OR Is it all over?

[corbe]

Waylon Jennings - America


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g13CfwdlObE

[libertybele]

It's too late.  Our Republic has sunk into an abyss.

It's really hard to accept this is the end ... meteorite!

[Gefn]

Waiting for the meteor.

It’s all good.

[Smokin Joe]

S.M.O.D.

Our best chances to remove the swamp and reinstate Federalism and the Constitution unfortunately involve a cataclysm of one form or another. Sad but true.

The mechanisms by which Americans can educate our following generations on a level large enough to make a significant difference have been, by and large, hijacked by Leftists.

Media, Education from pre-K to PhD, and print have been, for the most part completely taken over by relatively few similar interest people, and enough of America watches/reads/absorbs that incredible level of drivel that it has become pervasive in the American psyche.

No longer is there open discussion of what effect, if any, humans have on climate, the babble of CLimate Change assumes we believe that humans are THE driving factor. Just one example of what have become fundamental assumptions, while the patent fundamentals of boy vs girl are heavily attacked in the name of "science".

When words lose their meaning, and the very language has been hijacked, too, then there is little hope for a form of government that was based in Law, because the laws are now subject to arbitrary and capricious interpretation by those who will attest that 2+2 does not always equal 4.

[roamer_1]

Being a major doomsayer, It is funny that I retain more hope than y'all...

Political winds can change direction in an instant.
What is important is that the answer - the alternative - that message must be preserved so that folks have a choice when the time comes.

That is why I am such a stickler for orthodoxy in Conservatism.

[Free Vulcan]

I still think the woke left here has been told to get this country under control or get left behind. I think that's why the almost complete desperate impatience and irrationality with everything they do.

Personally, I think we need to bait and push them to attempt to suspend the Constitution. After that they have no legal standing and they are, and in Claire Wolf terms can finally be dealt with.

Beyond that, if Trump or someone can indeed massively reduce the bureaucracy and get rid of the moles, that might be the only other possible avenue to sanity.

We also need to get rid of our current GOP leadership in Congress to help with that. I don't see that happening.

[jmyrlefuller]

When you get to the point of denying water is wet, you're at the point of no return. We crossed that point a few years ago. Our country is majority single, many of us involuntarily, our birth rate is well below replacement, and three out of four counties in America are seeing more people die than being born.

The fundamentals of a healthy society are broken.

I once had a desire to live to see our tricentennial. At the rate we're going, the United States won't make it there.

[roamer_1]

I still think the woke left here has been told to get this country under control or get left behind. I think that's why the almost complete desperate impatience and irrationality with everything they do.

Personally, I think we need to bait and push them to attempt to suspend the Constitution. After that they have no legal standing and they are, and in Claire Wolf terms can finally be dealt with.

Beyond that, if Trump or someone can indeed massively reduce the bureaucracy and get rid of the moles, that might be the only other possible avenue to sanity.

We also need to get rid of our current GOP leadership in Congress to help with that. I don't see that happening.

One nice thing about this right here... Folks are getting fed liberalism through a fire hose.

That tends to change opinions on a dime.

[Right_in_Virginia]

The more appropriate poll question is "When did our Constitutional Republic End?"

[Free Vulcan]

One nice thing about this right here... Folks are getting fed liberalism through a fire hose.

That tends to change opinions on a dime.

Hear ya. I hate to say it, but sometimes people got to get punched in the face a few times to remind them how good it feels not to get the crap beat out of them.

[catfish1957]

The socialist left and their congressional lackeys have shit in the coop so badly, that an idelogical split is inevitable.

J6 protestors in the clink without due process for 18 months?  Massive uncontrolled government spending and waste?  Borders intentionally unsecured?  Government lockdowns for silly reasons? etc. etc.  etc.     

Folks......   April 18, 1775 and April 12, 1861 has already quietly happened.  90% of the country just hasn't realized it yet.

[Bigun]

This once great Republic is dead as a post and here's why:

“No people will tamely surrender their Liberties, nor can any be easily subdued, when knowledge is diffused and Virtue is preserved. On the Contrary, when People are universally ignorant, and debauched in their Manners, they will sink under their own weight without the Aid of foreign Invaders. “

Samuel Adams, letter to James Warren, November 4, 1775


“Nothing is more certain than that a general profligacy and corruption of manners make a people ripe for destruction. A good form of government may hold the rotten materials together for some time, but beyond a certain pitch, even the best constitution will be ineffectual, and slavery must ensue.”

John Witherspoon, The Dominion of Providence Over the Passions of Men, 1776

And this is true as well:

"Liberty once lost is lost forever. When the People once surrender their share in the Legislature, and their Right of defending the Limitations upon the government, and of resisting every Encroachment upon them, they can never regain it."

John Adams,1775,

[EdinVA]

Make a peaceful recovery?  Doubt it...
Slow the rapid descent into socialism?  Maybe

[libertybele]

The more appropriate poll question is "When did our Constitutional Republic End?"

When Pence FAILED to hear any objections on J6 before certifying the election even though Cruz and Hawley requested that he do so .... and the nail on our coffin was when SCOTUS refused to hear any arguments about voting inconsistencies and said that there was 'no standing' for them to rule.

[libertybele]

The socialist left and their congressional lackeys have shit in the coop so badly, that an idelogical split is inevitable.

J6 protestors in the clink without due process for 18 months?  Massive uncontrolled government spending and waste?  Borders intentionally unsecured?  Government lockdowns for silly reasons? etc. etc.  etc.     

Folks......   April 18, 1775 and April 12, 1861 has already quietly happened.  90% of the country just hasn't realized it yet.

You are absolutely correct; our rights are being completely ignored -- the FBI and ATF are going door to door in Delaware asking for people to show their weapons and they are recording serial numbers.  This is all being done without a search warrant and without cause.

A sheriff in Missouri is battling with the FBI over 2A rights.

4 months until the mid terms -- anyone think that the election is going to make a darn bit of difference? Better question -- anyone still think we're going to see an election??

[jafo2010]

The republic ended as we know it with the Trump presidency.

With the election of 2020, there is no mystery.  Through electronic vote fixing in at least five states, the election was fixed so that Biden won.  In my humble opinion, all committed something far greater than treason.  All involved should face indictment, conviction and public dispatch.  I don't care if the numbers are in the thousands.  All involved should be dealt with in the most severe way.

The republic remains dead as long as we have electronic voting.  Either we end that nonsense and high risk for cheating, for it is not secure contrary to the many lies people have told.  Anyone that knows computer systems know just how easy they are manipulated.  EASILY!!!

Now to the problem beyond that.  All the folks that want this nation destroyed, starting with every globalist in and out of our country.  Being a globalist should be treated as the most extreme form of treason.  Deal with that, and we lose half our Congress and half the people of major influence pushing us to become a slave state to globalism.

A distinguished position remains for the likes of George Soros and his family.  He has done a fine job of destroying western nations every step of his evil life.  I say establish extradition treaty with Hungary and hand him over.  They want to try him and send him to a rope for conspiring with the Nazis during WWII.

And while I am 100% supportive of freedom of expression, when it comes to pro athletes, they have no right to thumb their nose at my flag, my anthem when they are playing on ballfields, arenas, parks 100% funded by the taxpayer.  Not the fat cat team owners or over compensated players, but by the taxpayer, and I for one highly object to being subjected to any *sshat owner, player, or league telling me what should be on the field, arena, ballpark I funded.  If this nonsense continues, I suggest tearing down all public funded venues, or selling them to the teams.  I would rather pro sports END than tolerate one day of the nonsense I have witnessed for the past 3-4 years.  Who needs these *sshats?  NOT ME!!!!!!!!  I love football, but I have not watched a single game since that jerk out in San Francisco started this nonsense.  Ah yes, Kaepernick.  A name I would gladly see fall from the lips of mankind...forever!!!!!!!!

[Smokin Joe]

The republic ended as we know it with the Trump presidency.

With the election of 2020, there is no mystery.  Through electronic vote fixing in at least five states, the election was fixed so that Biden won.  In my humble opinion, all committed something far greater than treason.  All involved should face indictment, conviction and public dispatch.  I don't care if the numbers are in the thousands.  All involved should be dealt with in the most severe way.

The republic remains dead as long as we have electronic voting.  Either we end that nonsense and high risk for cheating, for it is not secure contrary to the many lies people have told.  Anyone that knows computer systems know just how easy they are manipulated.  EASILY!!!

Now to the problem beyond that.  All the folks that want this nation destroyed, starting with every globalist in and out of our country.  Being a globalist should be treated as the most extreme form of treason.  Deal with that, and we lose half our Congress and half the people of major influence pushing us to become a slave state to globalism.

A distinguished position remains for the likes of George Soros and his family.  He has done a fine job of destroying western nations every step of his evil life.  I say establish extradition treaty with Hungary and hand him over.  They want to try him and send him to a rope for conspiring with the Nazis during WWII.

And while I am 100% supportive of freedom of expression, when it comes to pro athletes, they have no right to thumb their nose at my flag, my anthem when they are playing on ballfields, arenas, parks 100% funded by the taxpayer.  Not the fat cat team owners or over compensated players, but by the taxpayer, and I for one highly object to being subjected to any *sshat owner, player, or league telling me what should be on the field, arena, ballpark I funded.  If this nonsense continues, I suggest tearing down all public funded venues, or selling them to the teams.  I would rather pro sports END than tolerate one day of the nonsense I have witnessed for the past 3-4 years.  Who needs these *sshats?  NOT ME!!!!!!!!  I love football, but I have not watched a single game since that jerk out in San Francisco started this nonsense.  Ah yes, Kaepernick.  A name I would gladly see fall from the lips of mankind...forever!!!!!!!!

When our employees started calling themselves the "ruling class" it was over. I agree with much of what you say, but I think when Hillary cut the deal (Secretary of State proved lucrative enough and punched her foreign policy ticket) and the media elected Obama we were done.

[Gefn]

I don’t know why but I’m re-reading Gibbon’s  “Decline  and Fall” right now. Haven’t read it since college, but now the parallels are so obvious it’s scary.