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.45-70 at Two Miles: The Sandy Hook Tests of 1879
« on: July 06, 2022, 11:03:12 am »
i thought some of you die hard 45-70 shooters might enjoy this

.45-70 at Two Miles: The Sandy Hook Tests of 1879
Rifle Magazine ^ | November 1977 | W. John Farquharson

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THE SHOOTER at the heavy bench rest squinted as he aligned his .45-70 Allin-Springfield Model 1873 Army rifle on the distant target. The rifle fore-stock and barrel was cradled in a rest; the butt was supported by his shoulder. The rear sight was flipped up to its full height, so with no stock support for his head, the rifle tester from Springfield Armory worked carefully to align high rear and low muzzle sight on the speck that was the target - a surveyed 2,500 yards distant.

Holding his breath, he squeezed the 7-pound trigger. The rifle fired, and some 15 seconds later, signals from the target indicated that his shot had struck well inside the 6-foot diameter bullseye on a target well over a mile away!

The Report of the Secretary of War, 1880, Volume III, under the chapter titled, "Extreme Ranges of Military Small Arms," had this to say:

"The firing was done by Mr. R.T Hare of Springfield Armory who has the enviable distinction, so far as is known, of being the only person in the world who has hit the 'Bull's-Eye' six feet in diameter at 2,500 yards with three different rifles, and who has ever fired at and hit so small a target as that described in this report at 3,200 yards.

In comparison with this, all other so-called 'long range firing' pales into insignificance. The gun was held under the arm, a muzzle rest only being used."

The chapter on long range firing begins with a report from the Armory at Springfield, Massachusetts, May 9, 1879. It records the results of long range tests of U.S. Army Model 1873 .45-caliber rifles using 405 and 500-grain lead bullets, including variations in muzzle velocity and penetration of lead bullets through one-inch target boards and into sand. These tests were made at the request of the Chief of Ordnance. His interest had been aroused by reports of long range infantry fire, up to 1½ miles, during the1877-78 Turko-Russian War.

The line age of the "trapdoor" rifles used in the tests is apparent from the separate lock plate, the massive side hammer, the milling out of a portion of barrel and fitting a breechblock hinged at the front - all clear indications that the rifles were merely breech-loading variations of the traditional muzzle-loading infantry-man's rifle. The Allin conversion of the 1861 and 1863 models Springfield muzzle-loaders came out first in .58 caliber rimfire. Later refinements resulted in the .50-70 rimmed centerfire for the 1866 model. The .45-70 cartridge was first introduced with the Model 1873 single shot Springfield. Several model changes were made from 1873 through 1889, relatively minor differences being the type of sights, modified and improved breech-blocks and changes in stock furniture.

The first long range tests were made at ranges of up to 1,500 yards on the Springfield Armory test range at Long Meadow, Massachusetts. These tests compared the long distance shooting and penetration performance of the .45 caliber trapdoor Springfield and the .45 caliber Martini-Henry rifles.

The Springfield rifle weighed about 9.6 pounds, had a rifle barrel 33 inches long with a bore diameter of .450-inch, three grooves and a right hand twist and groove depth of .005-inch. It fired the then standard Service round consisting of the 405-grain bullet in the rimmed straight case 2.1 inches long with 70 grains of black powder giving a muzzle velocity (MV) of 1,350 feet-per-second (fps). With the same weight of bullet and a charge of 85 grains of powder, the MV was 1,480 fps.

The British Army .450-577 Martini-Henry lever-operated, drop-block action was far stronger than the Allin trapdoor breech. The Martini-Henry weighed about 9½ pounds, had a barrel 33 inches long with a right-hand twist, seven groove bore. The bore diameter was .450, and the groove diameter was .463. The .450-577 Martini-Henry cartridge was a muscular creation. It was based upon a sharply necked-down and lengthened .577-inch Snider case, loaded with a 480-grain lead bullet of .445 diameter, backed by 85 grains of black powder for a muzzle velocity of 1,253 fps.

The following table gives the angles of elevation for these loads from the actual test firings at 1,000 and 1,500 yards. Accuracy firings of the rifles were made at 300, 500 and 1,000 yards.

SPRINGFIELD and MARTINI-HENRY ANGLES OF ELEVATION

1,000 yards 1,500 yards .45-85-405 Springfield Long Range 2d 40' 53" 4d 35' 34" .45-70-405 Springfield Service 3d 6' 37" 5d 20' 4" .45-85-480 Martini-Henry 3d 18' 36" 5d 41' 24"

VERTICAL and HORIZONTAL SHOT DISPERSION AT 1,000 YARDS

Mean Mean Mean Horizontal Vertical Radius Springfield 9.23" 16.8" 19.1" Martini-Henry 10.9" 14.55" 18.2"

Though there is no direct relationship between mean radius and group size figures, a mean radius of 18 to 19 inches would probably translate into a group size of between 55 and 70 inches. Old Ordnance records show that when fired from a machine rest the .45 Springfield was expected to group all of its bullets inside a 4-inch circle at 100 yards, in a 11-inch bull's-eye at 300 yards, and inside a 27-inch circle at 500 yards.

At 1,000 and 1,500 yards, as expected, the mean vertical figures are considerably larger than the mean horizontal. (See the above table.) This is the result of variations in muzzle velocity, which gives this dispersion at long range, and also the effect of the high trajectory of these rifle bullets since the target is perpendicular to the ground, while the bullet is descending at an angle.

The report of October 15, 1879, covers long range firing at Sandy Hook, New Jersey. This was done along the beach to make the location of the bullet strike easier to find. Also, the long beaches allowed shooting back to 3,200 and even 3,500 yards.

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Re: .45-70 at Two Miles: The Sandy Hook Tests of 1879
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2022, 10:02:59 pm »
I think with enough bullets, even I could hit a distant something, I don't envy the surrounding terrain though.
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Re: .45-70 at Two Miles: The Sandy Hook Tests of 1879
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2022, 10:40:35 pm »
The only time I did any distance shooting, a measly 350 yds, I was able to walk my shots into the target area with my 45Colt Ruger Blackhawk with its 4-5/8 in bbl.

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Re: .45-70 at Two Miles: The Sandy Hook Tests of 1879
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2022, 10:43:02 pm »
The only time I did any distance shooting, a measly 350 yds, I was able to walk my shots into the target area with my 45Colt Ruger Blackhawk with its 4-5/8 in bbl.

I don't even have a range to practice past 200 yards.

Edit: I take that back, I do have a field we rent in the middle of some 160 acres that might provide a decent range now I think about it... Never thought about shooting there. It is a little close to the town school though. Most my land is old growth forest only.




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Re: .45-70 at Two Miles: The Sandy Hook Tests of 1879
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2022, 10:52:21 pm »
I don't even have a range to practice past 200 yards.

Edit: I take that back, I do have a field we rent in the middle of some 160 acres that might provide a decent range now I think about it... Never thought about shooting there. It is a little close to the town school though.

That 350 yd shooting was in the desert outside of San Diego while visiting a shipmate.  I have done lots of shooting on tree farms and sand pits. Once I went shooting at a sand pit closest to my house and on the drive back I saw that it had been absorbed into the city limits. Civilization is taking over.

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Re: .45-70 at Two Miles: The Sandy Hook Tests of 1879
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2022, 01:37:42 am »
I don't care who you are... two miles off a ladder sight is crazy.
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Re: .45-70 at Two Miles: The Sandy Hook Tests of 1879
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2022, 01:45:19 am »
I don't even have a range to practice past 200 yards.

Edit: I take that back, I do have a field we rent in the middle of some 160 acres that might provide a decent range now I think about it... Never thought about shooting there. It is a little close to the town school though. Most my land is old growth forest only.

I am really pretty good out to 600 yards. Past that, I ain't as good as I once was.
But long shots are kinda a thing around here. Especially for sheep and goat... And elk, for me. I don't care to beat around in the woods for em anymore, just to have em run off wounded another mile or two even deeper...

I'll sit on a ridge somewhere and take em close to a road - That means picking just the right place.. a long shot - but an easy, take your time and do it right shot... And a short pack to the pickuo. That's the wisdom of age, right there.