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How does ANY of that change one word of what SCOTUS just said? @catfish1957

You're right about one thing. They have been getting away with this shit for a LONG time but now it stops!


Exhibit A.


https://twitter.com/SenWarren/status/1542516572631142401

There will be some wordsmithing of the ruling that takes in account the technical aspects of specific rules.  I expect it to be a system where significant rules (case by case) will be run by congress for cost benefit analysis. 

No way does Congress get into the business of writing regs....   I'll guarantee that point.
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There will be some wordsmithing of the ruling that takes in account the technical aspects of specific rules.  I expect it to be a system where significant rules (case by case) will be run by congress for cost benefit analysis. 

No way does Congress get into the business of writing regs....   I'll guarantee that point.

I guess we are just going to have to wait and see.
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The liberal don quixotes are going to fight the environmental nazis good fight to save the planet if they have to kill every human on it, andf they so mean it!  They have shown for decades they have enough blind mindless highly opinionated extremists idjits to force it through!
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The problem is getting this through the Senate. We have a lot more Rino's there than we realize.

You mean there's more than 42?
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My message to the companies running gas stations and setting prices at the pump is simple: this is a time of war and global peril.

Bring down the price you are charging at the pump to reflect the cost you’re paying for the product. And do it now.


12:00 PM · Jul 2, 2022·The White House


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https://mobile.twitter.com/POTUS/status/1543263229006254080

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The saddest part about this is not Dementia Joe,it is that there is a large segment of the US population so gullible they will actually believe that gas station owners set the prices.

I'm going to be surprised if leftists don't start fire-bombing gas stations because of this announcement.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/POTUS/status/1543263229006254080

"Bring down the price you are charging at the pump to reflect the cost you’re paying for the product. And do it now."-

Joe Biden

Being a business, and not selling at a profit?  Pedo Joe can't hide his socialist stripes one iota anymore.  These stations also have to pay utilities, local taxes, insurance, etc, etc.  So really in Pedo Joe's business model, they are sellling it at a loss.
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With Joe being blameless for ANYTHING, there is NOTHING he isn't capable or wiling to do.  We have already seen the financing and empowerment of foreign peoples and Countries with our money and militaries, while we see huge numbers of Americans living in poverty, living on the streets.  How did brainwashing fools and denial idiots get so effective/persuasive? Even terrorists and terrorism, burning down cities acceptable.  Even morons are capable of seeing something about this is VERY WRONG, yet the dupes fools don't want to blame the perps, but rather accept the blame casting onto the innocent.
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@Right_in_Virginia

The saddest part about this is not Dementia Joe,it is that there is a large segment of the US population so gullible they will actually believe that gas station owners set the prices.

I'm going to be surprised if leftists don't start fire-bombing gas stations because of this announcement.
I'd venture to say this is why these stickers are so brilliant that show up at virtually every pump.

It reminds people who are waiting to fillup exactly who is to blame.
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Gas pumps in Eastern Iowa seem to be religious in tearing off the Biden stickers on their pumps.  Some how they just keep coming back!
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Here's a thought, when republicans retake congress they defund the EPA, DOJ, BLM, etc.
Defund, Hell. Eliminate them.
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Defund, Hell. Eliminate them.

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Sorry. Just can't go along with that one. Now,if you want to talk about replacing the Enviro-Nazi management types with sane people that want the best for both the planet and the people who populate it,THAT is a different story.

Also a hard one to tell because where in hell are we going to find those people these days,given the brain-washing they all receive in college from Stalinist professors?
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Sorry. Just can't go along with that one. Now,if you want to talk about replacing the Enviro-Nazi management types with sane people that want the best for both the planet and the people who populate it,THAT is a different story.

Also a hard one to tell because where in hell are we going to find those people these days,given the brain-washing they all receive in college from Stalinist professors?
After a couple of rounds of promulgating regulations as per Congress, the bureaucrats no longer were there to clean up the environment, but lost sight of the mission and got down to promulgating regulations for the sake of promulgating regulations. That produced moving target standards looking for an excuse to move the goalposts again, and AGW/CLimate change has provided just the thing.

Sometimes you just can't get a water tank clean enough to use for drinking water, and the pool of potential EPA folks is so seriously polluted with marxist based dogma and nonsense posing as science that it is safest to shut it down.

There are laws which control emissions otherwise, and state level regulations which should keep things clean until the real environmental mess, the demagoguery and 'activism' in universities and elsewhere gets cleaned up to the point where level headed people can make sane regulations based on science and not Gaian dirtworship.
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  Gaian dirtworship.

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And THERE is the root of the problem. NO organization will ever accomplish anything real by populating it with "True Believer Cultists".
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And THERE is the root of the problem. NO organization will ever accomplish anything real by populating it with "True Believer Cultists".
Maybe not, but they can sure f*ck things up.
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Maybe not, but they can sure f*ck things up.

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Of course. That is what they specialize in doing.
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I really and truly understand your emotions,but the reality is that we just can't afford to do that because if we did,who knows how many people would die as a result,or how much of the planet would become useless for decades,and maybe even centuries?

What we NEED is people in the EPA who are not dedicated leftists. We need sane,rational people who believe in protecting the planet while at the same time looking for alternative methods or processes that would not be harmful to the planet and future generations.

There IS some room for compromises,and compromises will encourage scientists and industry to search for safer alternatives instead of just shutting everything down.

There may be some cases where there ARE no alternatives,but I have to believe that can't possibly be true in all cases. Or even most/

 We need to protect the planet while searching for safe alternative methods for industry. Right now it seems like the entire EPA is under the control of idiots who worship "Mother Ghia" and think we are her slaves who were born to serve her,instead of understanding that the planet is here to serve mankind as well as all other living creatures.

NO civilization can continue to advance if no new ideas are tried and sometimes accepted. Leaving the door open to POSSIBLE alternatives is what will CREATE possible alternatives. NOBODY is going to spend decades,or even years working on some new technology that they KNOW will never be accepted because it doesn't bow at the feet of the PC Goddess Ghia. All that will do is stifle any possible advancement,and put us back into the Stone Age.
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@Bigun

I really and truly understand your emotions,but the reality is that we just can't afford to do that because if we did,who knows how many people would die as a result,or how much of the planet would become useless for decades,and maybe even centuries?

What we NEED is people in the EPA who are not dedicated leftists. We need sane,rational people who believe in protecting the planet while at the same time looking for alternative methods or processes that would not be harmful to the planet and future generations.

There IS some room for compromises,and compromises will encourage scientists and industry to search for safer alternatives instead of just shutting everything down.

There may be some cases where there ARE no alternatives,but I have to believe that can't possibly be true in all cases. Or even most/

 We need to protect the planet while searching for safe alternative methods for industry. Right now it seems like the entire EPA is under the control of idiots who worship "Mother Ghia" and think we are her slaves who were born to serve her,instead of understanding that the planet is here to serve mankind as well as all other living creatures.

NO civilization can continue to advance if no new ideas are tried and sometimes accepted. Leaving the door open to POSSIBLE alternatives is what will CREATE possible alternatives. NOBODY is going to spend decades,or even years working on some new technology that they KNOW will never be accepted because it doesn't bow at the feet of the PC Goddess Ghia. All that will do is stifle any possible advancement,and put us back into the Stone Age.

I respectfully but strongly disagree with you @sneakypete this country did just fine without all these alphabet agencies and would easily do so now.

Edit to add; The constitution grants power to the federal government to accomplish 17 specific things and those are what it should stick to doing!
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@Bigun

I really and truly understand your emotions,but the reality is that we just can't afford to do that because if we did,who knows how many people would die as a result,or how much of the planet would become useless for decades,and maybe even centuries?

What we NEED is people in the EPA who are not dedicated leftists. We need sane,rational people who believe in protecting the planet while at the same time looking for alternative methods or processes that would not be harmful to the planet and future generations.

No. What we need is NO EPA.
Perhaps you could tell me wherein lies its constitutional authority and jurisdiction... Don't bother looking. There is none.

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@Bigun

I really and truly understand your emotions,but the reality is that we just can't afford to do that because if we did,who knows how many people would die as a result,or how much of the planet would become useless for decades,and maybe even centuries?

What we NEED is people in the EPA who are not dedicated leftists. We need sane,rational people who believe in protecting the planet while at the same time looking for alternative methods or processes that would not be harmful to the planet and future generations.

There IS some room for compromises,and compromises will encourage scientists and industry to search for safer alternatives instead of just shutting everything down.

There may be some cases where there ARE no alternatives,but I have to believe that can't possibly be true in all cases. Or even most/

 We need to protect the planet while searching for safe alternative methods for industry. Right now it seems like the entire EPA is under the control of idiots who worship "Mother Ghia" and think we are her slaves who were born to serve her,instead of understanding that the planet is here to serve mankind as well as all other living creatures.

NO civilization can continue to advance if no new ideas are tried and sometimes accepted. Leaving the door open to POSSIBLE alternatives is what will CREATE possible alternatives. NOBODY is going to spend decades,or even years working on some new technology that they KNOW will never be accepted because it doesn't bow at the feet of the PC Goddess Ghia. All that will do is stifle any possible advancement,and put us back into the Stone Age.


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Pete...

I directly dealt with EPA, State, and Local regulatory bodies for over 30 years, mostly as an Environmental Manager at a Plant. 

Let me start with yes, there was a point by the 50's and '60's where our technological advances created an unaccepable amount of  combustion , waste, and water discharges that were not acceptable. At that time, late '60's to about 1980 with the promulatin of RCRA (hazardous wastes law), the need was urgent, and Congress properly acted to bring standards to the regulated community.

This worked well until about 1990, with the CAA (Clean Air Act) Re-authorization.  At about that time, many radical factions got into the agency, and started the slippery slope of creating a bureacracy and gestapo like enforcement system that was more predicated on technicalities and "got-chas" than thinking through the process of doing things that actually would cost effectively elimated excess emission, reduced waste, and improved water quality effluent.  Many of us saw the EPA more powerful and opressive, than even the IRS.

Yes, and at about that time the concept of equitable environmental improvement return on investment DIED.  I could give you a dozen horror stories around EPA abuse of powers, but don't have the time or the inclination to rehash that shit.  So, actually I support dismantling the EPA......   And at least bring it back to its common sense criteria staffing, and regulatory powers  that I remember early in my career.
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I respectfully but strongly disagree with you @sneakypete this country did just fine without all these alphabet agencies and would easily do so now.

Edit to add; The constitution grants power to the federal government to accomplish 17 specific things and those are what it should stick to doing!


That's right.  :beer:

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I respectfully but strongly disagree with you @sneakypete this country did just fine without all these alphabet agencies and would easily do so now.

Edit to add; The constitution grants power to the federal government to accomplish 17 specific things and those are what it should stick to doing!


(See my post above)...   It was a good thing, we took a breath, and at least put in good cost effective controls.  Environmental Quality Standards were dropping post World War 2, pretty rapidly.

But again, no one could anticipate and guess how this ended up being abused for the left wing benefits.
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(See my post above)...   It was a good thing, we took a breath, and at least put in good cost effective controls.  Environmental Quality Standards were dropping post World War 2, pretty rapidly.

But again, no one could anticipate and guess how this ended up being abused for the left wing benefits.

I'm sorry @catfish1957 but allowing the fedgov out of its cage has NEVER been a good thing and, IMHO, never will be.
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I'm sorry @catfish1957 but allowing the fedgov out of its cage has NEVER been a good thing and, IMHO, never will be.

lol... I could take that argument back to 1861, but that's for another day,
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