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Justice Kavanaugh: 'The Second Amendment Is Not Unlimited'
« on: June 24, 2022, 06:52:09 pm »
'The Second Amendment Is Not Unlimited,' Brett Kavanaugh Stresses in SCOTUS Gun Case

“Properly interpreted, the Second Amendment allows a ‘variety’ of gun regulations,” Kavanaugh writes, invoking Antonin Scalia

DAMON ROOT
6.23.2022

"Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited," Justice Antonin Scalia wrote in District of Columbia v. Heller, his 2008 opinion recognizing an individual right to keep a handgun at home for self-defense purposes. "Nothing in our opinion," Scalia wrote, "should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms."

Justice Brett Kavanaugh re-upped that language from Scalia today while signing on to Justice Clarence Thomas' majority opinion in New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen, in which Thomas held that "the Second and Fourteenth Amendments protect an individual's right to carry a handgun for self-defense outside the home."

Kavanaugh agreed with Thomas about that. But Kavanaugh also wrote separately, joined by Chief Justice John Roberts, "to underscore two important points about the limits of the Court's decision."

First, Kavanaugh stressed, the constitutional problem with New York's licensing scheme for carrying handguns in public was that "it grants open-ended discretion to licensing officials and authorizes licenses only for those applicants who can show some special need apart from self-defense." By contrast, "43 States employ objective shall-issue licensing regimes. Those shall-issue regimes may require a license applicant to undergo fingerprinting, a background check, a mental health records check, and training in firearms handling and in laws regarding the use of force, among other possible requirements." Today's decision by the Court, Kavanaugh emphasized, did not touch any of that in any of those 43 states. "Shall-issue licensing regimes are constitutionally permissible, subject of course to an as-applied challenge if a shall-issue licensing regime does not operate in that manner in practice."

Kavanaugh's second point was drawn straight from the Heller language that I quoted above. "Properly interpreted," Kavanaugh wrote, invoking Scalia, "the Second Amendment allows a 'variety' of gun regulations."

Why would Kavanaugh write such a concurrence if he also fully joined Thomas' majority opinion? One possible reason is that Kavanaugh is looking ahead to future cases that will inevitably arise in the lower courts as legal challenges are levied against other gun control laws. Kavanaugh, joined by Roberts, may be signaling to the lower courts that, in his view, many such gun control regulations are presumptively constitutional, and lower court judges should therefore act accordingly. At the very least, many lawyers in future Second Amendment cases will be grappling with Kavanaugh's concurrence.



Source:  https://reason.com/2022/06/23/the-second-amendment-is-not-unlimited-brett-kavanaugh-stresses-in-scotus-gun-case/


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Re: Justice Kavanaugh: 'The Second Amendment Is Not Unlimited'
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2022, 07:36:28 pm »
These corrupt justices say that rights are not absolute but don't point out anywhere in the Constitution or Bill of Rights that gives the the government the authority to restrict a person's God given right. There is no where it says "except for". SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED is pretty absolute.

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Re: Justice Kavanaugh: 'The Second Amendment Is Not Unlimited'
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2022, 08:10:54 pm »
It sure as hell is unless there is another Amendment passed which cancels it.

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Re: Justice Kavanaugh: 'The Second Amendment Is Not Unlimited'
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2022, 08:12:14 pm »
These corrupt justices say that rights are not absolute but don't point out anywhere in the Constitution or Bill of Rights that gives the the government the authority to restrict a person's God given right. There is no where it says "except for". SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED is pretty absolute.

Ahh.  So Justice Kavanaugh is now corrupt?  How, then, to explain his opinion in Dobbs?

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Re: Justice Kavanaugh: 'The Second Amendment Is Not Unlimited'
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2022, 08:41:15 pm »
A little test for those who want to make the unlimited argument.

Can a citizen own nuclear weapons?

So now that we've established that limit, the issue is where should the line be drawn.

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Re: Justice Kavanaugh: 'The Second Amendment Is Not Unlimited'
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2022, 04:46:19 pm »
A little test for those who want to make the unlimited argument.

Can a citizen own nuclear weapons?

So now that we've established that limit, the issue is where should the line be drawn.
Here's the second amendment: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Nuclear weapons is an explosive device and not Arms.

Where are you going with this?
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Re: Justice Kavanaugh: 'The Second Amendment Is Not Unlimited'
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2022, 04:59:16 pm »
Here's the second amendment: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Nuclear weapons is an explosive device and not Arms.

Where are you going with this?

Arms necessarily includes munitions. Ammo, grenades, etc. It is absurd what I'd have to go through to get explosives to blow a stump.... Well, not me - I would just make it. But I ought to be able to go buy it off the shelf.

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Re: Justice Kavanaugh: 'The Second Amendment Is Not Unlimited'
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2022, 05:17:28 pm »
A little test for those who want to make the unlimited argument.

Can a citizen own nuclear weapons?

So now that we've established that limit, the issue is where should the line be drawn.
Can a citizen afford nuclear weapons?

Seriously, having the facilities to manufacture, maintain, and properly store a nuke is a bit out of the average budget--not to mention most delivery systems.

Keep in mind that the laws governing the storage and transportation of radioactive materials would apply, weapon or not.
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Re: Justice Kavanaugh: 'The Second Amendment Is Not Unlimited'
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2022, 02:49:52 am »
Can a citizen afford nuclear weapons?

Seriously, having the facilities to manufacture, maintain, and properly store a nuke is a bit out of the average budget--not to mention most delivery systems.

Keep in mind that the laws governing the storage and transportation of radioactive materials would apply, weapon or not.

Soros, Gates and Musk could.

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Re: Justice Kavanaugh: 'The Second Amendment Is Not Unlimited'
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2022, 07:31:17 am »
Ahh.  So Justice Kavanaugh is now corrupt?  How, then, to explain his opinion in Dobbs?
Yes they are all corrupt and disingenuous. Any and all gun control, by definition, is an infringement of 2nd amendment rights. Judges are supposed to be impartial but we all know that is not the case. The law is not the law. The law is what a judge says the law is. Judges don't have to follow the law.

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Re: Justice Kavanaugh: 'The Second Amendment Is Not Unlimited'
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2022, 04:12:58 pm »
Soros, Gates and Musk could.
Meh, they're doing just fine using ballot bombs, diseases and buying politicians and DA's....plus they are cheaper.

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Re: Justice Kavanaugh: 'The Second Amendment Is Not Unlimited'
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2022, 12:51:46 pm »
Soros, Gates and Musk could.
So where you are going is you are afraid of billionaires hiding behind the 2nd Amendment and obtaining nuclear weaponry?

Why?
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« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2022, 01:05:44 pm »
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