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Re: Justice Thomas Calls To 'Reconsider' Gay Marriage, Sodomy Rulings
« Reply #25 on: June 25, 2022, 08:19:33 pm »
Personally, I believe that contraception and marriage are absolutely no business of ANY government. Those are personal choices, and government should butt out. Abortion is and always was a different matter because it involves existing human life, the protection of which is a legitimate concern of our local and state governments, but not the Federal government, as the Constitution makes clear by its design.

Good for you. Then move to a state that is like-in kind...
Personally, I have nothing against birth control. But I am fine with folks in another state seeing that otherwise. Just like I ain't much for blue laws (liquor)... But I would be alright with state laws requiring stores be closed on Sunday - and mind you: I do not believe the Sabbath is on Sunday. Still if them folks want to observe it that way, it sure wouldn't cause me to move. Liquor laws might - though I usually drink my liquor from a jar, and not much of that.

Different strokes for different folks. I would love to hear church bells once again of a Sunday morning, and the ten commandments back in front of the courthouse, where they belong.

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Re: Justice Thomas Calls To 'Reconsider' Gay Marriage, Sodomy Rulings
« Reply #26 on: June 25, 2022, 08:21:04 pm »
Amendment X to the Constitution:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

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Re: Justice Thomas Calls To 'Reconsider' Gay Marriage, Sodomy Rulings
« Reply #27 on: June 25, 2022, 08:28:56 pm »
The loudest and most obnoxious militant homosexuals, and their complict woke mouthpieces. (MSM, Hollywood, etc.)

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Re: Justice Thomas Calls To 'Reconsider' Gay Marriage, Sodomy Rulings
« Reply #28 on: June 25, 2022, 09:38:24 pm »
@Bigun

So,you too believe that it is the business of the various states to determine who can and who can not practice birth control?

You are a master at putting words never said by them into the mouths of others @sneakypete and I, for one, do not appreciate it even a little bit!

To rephrase what @roamer_1 said, and what I agreed with, is that it is none of the feral government's damned business! And, as @libertybele correctly pointed out, that leaves it to the states and the people.

In our constitution the STATES that formed the union spelled out 17 very specific things that they granted the federal government powers to do.  NONE of them have anything at all to do with birth control or abortion.
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Re: Justice Thomas Calls To 'Reconsider' Gay Marriage, Sodomy Rulings
« Reply #29 on: June 25, 2022, 09:41:42 pm »
You are a master at putting words never said by them into the mouths of others @sneakypete and I, for one, do not appreciate it even a little bit!

To rephrase what @roamer_1 said, and what I agreed with, is that it is none of the feral government's damned business! And, as @libertybele correctly pointed out, that leaves it to the states and the people.

In our constitution the STATES that formed the union spelled out 17 very specific things that they granted the federal government powers to do.  NONE of them have anything at all to do with birth control or abortion.


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« Reply #30 on: June 25, 2022, 09:43:57 pm »
Amendment X to the Constitution:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

And don't forget about this one either @libertybele :

Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

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« Reply #31 on: June 25, 2022, 10:09:50 pm »
And don't forget about this one either @libertybele :

Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.


Thank you for pointing that out.
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Re: Justice Thomas Calls To 'Reconsider' Gay Marriage, Sodomy Rulings
« Reply #32 on: June 26, 2022, 12:56:50 am »
Thomas has his head up his ass if he is opposed to the legality and availability of contraceptives.
The SCOTUS only decides the Constitutionality of a law. It isn't supposed to write them.

With that in mind, Thomas and the Court might revisit what level of government should be deciding what constitutes "marriage", what constitutes "obscenity", or 'unacceptable behaviour'.

At one time, those definitions were left to the several States to legislate, and not be forced to abandon the standards held in some states to acquiesce to the lower standards held in others.
This is a return to States' Rights, and the possible end of 'one size fits all' Federal concentration of power. It also forces the groups which now coalesce nationally to lobby every Statehouse and Governor's office to get their way instead of just muck up DC, which means their 'causes' will have to spend a bunch more to show up at that many places, and may be show up as smaller crowds.

Contraceptives, imho, are the single most seminal reason that abortion can be readily restricted (aside from it being murder), because the situation that many say calls for abortion can be avoided by the judicious use of Contraceptives. I do not see anything that prevents becoming pregnant being banned, simply because it removes much of the case for abortion.
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Re: Justice Thomas Calls To 'Reconsider' Gay Marriage, Sodomy Rulings
« Reply #33 on: June 26, 2022, 01:15:02 am »
You are a master at putting words never said by them into the mouths of others @sneakypete and I, for one, do not appreciate it even a little bit!

@Bigun   It is not MY fault you didn't understand I wrote a question.

To rephrase what @roamer_1 said, and what I agreed with, is that it is none of the feral government's damned business! And, as @libertybele correctly pointed out, that leaves it to the states and the people.

In our constitution the STATES that formed the union spelled out 17 very specific things that they granted the federal government powers to do.  NONE of them have anything at all to do with birth control or abortion.

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FWIW,I agree with you.

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Re: Justice Thomas Calls To 'Reconsider' Gay Marriage, Sodomy Rulings
« Reply #34 on: June 26, 2022, 01:17:29 am »
The SCOTUS only decides the Constitutionality of a law. It isn't supposed to write them.

With that in mind, Thomas and the Court might revisit what level of government should be deciding what constitutes "marriage", what constitutes "obscenity", or 'unacceptable behaviour'.

At one time, those definitions were left to the several States to legislate, and not be forced to abandon the standards held in some states to acquiesce to the lower standards held in others.
This is a return to States' Rights, and the possible end of 'one size fits all' Federal concentration of power. It also forces the groups which now coalesce nationally to lobby every Statehouse and Governor's office to get their way instead of just muck up DC, which means their 'causes' will have to spend a bunch more to show up at that many places, and may be show up as smaller crowds.

Contraceptives, imho, are the single most seminal reason that abortion can be readily restricted (aside from it being murder), because the situation that many say calls for abortion can be avoided by the judicious use of Contraceptives. I do not see anything that prevents becoming pregnant being banned, simply because it removes much of the case for abortion.

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I couldn't agree more. I don't want a tyranny from either the left OR the right. What I want is obedience to the Bill of Rights and the US Constitution.
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Re: Justice Thomas Calls To 'Reconsider' Gay Marriage, Sodomy Rulings
« Reply #35 on: June 26, 2022, 01:19:51 am »
@Smokin Joe

I couldn't agree more. I don't want a tyranny from either the left OR the right. What I want is obedience to the Bill of Rights and the US Constitution.
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Re: Justice Thomas Calls To 'Reconsider' Gay Marriage, Sodomy Rulings
« Reply #36 on: June 27, 2022, 08:13:42 pm »
Personally, I believe that contraception and marriage are absolutely no business of ANY government. Those are personal choices, and government should butt out. Abortion is and always was a different matter because it involves existing human life, the protection of which is a legitimate concern of our local and state governments, but not the Federal government, as the Constitution makes clear by its design.
My personal view is the government has no business being involved in marriage at all, heterosexuals' or homosexual. My father was Sicilian, my mother of Slavic descent. up until 1963 there were about 10 states that did not recognize my parents marriage because he was considered a person of color. If you can find an officiant (secular or religious) to witness it you are good as gold.
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Re: Justice Thomas Calls To 'Reconsider' Gay Marriage, Sodomy Rulings
« Reply #37 on: June 27, 2022, 09:40:28 pm »
My personal view is the government has no business being involved in marriage at all, heterosexuals' or homosexual. My father was Sicilian, my mother of Slavic descent. up until 1963 there were about 10 states that did not recognize my parents marriage because he was considered a person of color. If you can find an officiant (secular or religious) to witness it you are good as gold.

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Just out of curiosity,what color was your father supposed to be?
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Re: Justice Thomas Calls To 'Reconsider' Gay Marriage, Sodomy Rulings
« Reply #38 on: June 27, 2022, 10:49:43 pm »
My personal view is the government has no business being involved in marriage at all, heterosexuals' or homosexual. My father was Sicilian, my mother of Slavic descent. up until 1963 there were about 10 states that did not recognize my parents marriage because he was considered a person of color. If you can find an officiant (secular or religious) to witness it you are good as gold.

I would draw a different conclusion to that @verga
Common law marriage is certainly a thing - and a thing that produces an environment for children.
Now, most of the time, that s what it is -- But there are occasions that require laws to be imposed upon that environment... To include dissolution. To include child welfare. To include recognition of marriage for the purposes of household and deaths.

There are many reasons that the government should be able to be involved in what is said to be the least governable unit -- The smallest form of government.

That being said, that should never require the Federal government (except perhaps in military applications)... And while the technical purpose is certainly there, it should be exercised only in cases of extreme need.


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« Reply #39 on: June 28, 2022, 12:31:27 pm »
@verga

Just out of curiosity,what color was your father supposed to be?
Being Sicilian he was exceptionally dark skinned. Three days in the sun and he could almost pass for Negro, he he had straight black hair and Caucasian facial features. When I was living in Maryland (25 yeas ago) I was told that he 'was not white". A couple of years ago I was told that anyone from the Mediterranean area are not "white". This was from several liberals trying to convince me not to be Conservative.
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« Reply #40 on: June 28, 2022, 12:40:49 pm »
I would draw a different conclusion to that @verga
Common law marriage is certainly a thing - and a thing that produces an environment for children.
Now, most of the time, that s what it is -- But there are occasions that require laws to be imposed upon that environment... To include dissolution. To include child welfare. To include recognition of marriage for the purposes of household and deaths.

There are many reasons that the government should be able to be involved in what is said to be the least governable unit -- The smallest form of government.

That being said, that should never require the Federal government (except perhaps in military applications)... And while the technical purpose is certainly there, it should be exercised only in cases of extreme need.
@roamer_1 With all due respect. If they can license it they can try to control it. We have seen that with the 2nd amendment, oil leases, etc. IN NYS you need to APPLY for a marriage license, any thing you need to apply for can be denied. If they want to come up with some sort form that says a marriage has taken place already, fine, but nothing that you need to "Apply" for.
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Re: Justice Thomas Calls To 'Reconsider' Gay Marriage, Sodomy Rulings
« Reply #41 on: June 28, 2022, 02:54:26 pm »
@roamer_1 With all due respect. If they can license it they can try to control it. We have seen that with the 2nd amendment, oil leases, etc. IN NYS you need to APPLY for a marriage license, any thing you need to apply for can be denied. If they want to come up with some sort form that says a marriage has taken place already, fine, but nothing that you need to "Apply" for.

@verga

Likewise, the opposite extreme: I don't know exactly... But MT recognizes a common law marriage after 6 months or so - With no license at all... With all the legal ramifications that would apply.

Live with a woman for 6 months or so, and for all intensive porpoises, you're married.

Still, I don't see how you keep government out of it.


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Re: Justice Thomas Calls To 'Reconsider' Gay Marriage, Sodomy Rulings
« Reply #42 on: June 29, 2022, 01:21:56 am »
Being Sicilian he was exceptionally dark skinned. Three days in the sun and he could almost pass for Negro, he he had straight black hair and Caucasian facial features. When I was living in Maryland (25 yeas ago) I was told that he 'was not white". A couple of years ago I was told that anyone from the Mediterranean area are not "white". This was from several liberals trying to convince me not to be Conservative.

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I will grant you that Italians/Sicilians were VERY "rare on the ground" in the south when I grew up,but I never once heard anybody comparing them to Blacks.

Come to think of it,I knew more Jews than Italians when I was growing up. Did have friends named DeFabio,though. IIRC,the father was literally a rocket scientist.
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« Reply #43 on: June 29, 2022, 01:28:19 am »
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I will grant you that Italians/Sicilians were VERY "rare on the ground" in the south when I grew up,but I never once heard anybody comparing them to Blacks.

Come to think of it,I knew more Jews than Italians when I was growing up. Did have friends named DeFabio,though. IIRC,the father was literally a rocket scientist.

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