Gayle King: Writers of 2nd Amendment ‘Were Talking about Muskets’

[Kamaji]

Actually, the Second Amendment was intended to permit state militias to field forces that could resist a standing federal army

While both James Monroe and John Adams supported the Constitution being ratified, its most influential framer was James Madison. In Federalist No. 46, Madison wrote how a federal army could be kept in check by state militias, "a standing army ... would be opposed [by] a militia." He argued that state militias "would be able to repel the danger" of a federal army, "It may well be doubted, whether a militia thus circumstanced could ever be conquered by such a proportion of regular troops." He contrasted the federal government of the United States to the European kingdoms, which he described as "afraid to trust the people with arms", and assured that "the existence of subordinate governments ... forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition".

Thus, the amendment should permit the ownership of whatever weapons are necessary to resist a federal army, not simply muskets.

[sneakypete]

Actually, the Second Amendment was intended to permit state militias to field forces that could resist a standing federal army

Thus, the amendment should permit the ownership of whatever weapons are necessary to resist a federal army, not simply muskets.

@Kamaji

It does and they do. They just pimped out the meaning by insisting huge fees be charged so only the wealthy could afford the proper permits.

End run around the Constitution.

[AARguy]

Gun control is predicated on the assumption that a woman, raped and strangled with her pantyhose, lying dead in her own blood and vomit, is somehow morally superior to that same woman standing over the rapist's dead body explaining to police how he got that bullet hole in his head.

[sneakypete]

Gun control is predicated on the assumption that a woman, raped and strangled with her pantyhose, lying dead in her own blood and vomit, is somehow morally superior to that same woman standing over the rapist's dead body explaining to police how he got that bullet hole in his head.

@AARguy

The REAL basis for gun control is the desire by government to make EVERYONE totally dependent on them for protection as well as for everything else in life.

It's all about government power and has nothing to do with public safety. In FACT,the opposite is true,and is proven EVERY time an armed citizen protects themselves or someone else from a violent assault and maybe even death.

Governments are jealous of their power. ALL governments,EVERYWHERE.

[Bigun]

@AARguy

The REAL basis for gun control is the desire by government to make EVERYONE totally dependent on them for protection as well as for everything else in life.

It's all about government power and has nothing to do with public safety. In FACT,the opposite is true,and is proven EVERY time an armed citizen protects themselves or someone else from a violent assault and maybe even death.

Governments are jealous of their power. ALL governments,EVERYWHERE.

  

[Cyber Liberty]

 

Yes!  By God, @sneakypete is a true gift to TBR!

[AARguy]

Even back during the Revolution, liberals had no idea what weaponry was about. A singing group led by a British Army Officer of the era made a famous song about it. You may have heard of it... "Musket Love" by The Captain and Tenille

[sneakypete]

Even back during the Revolution, liberals had no idea what weaponry was about. A singing group led by a British Army Officer of the era made a famous song about it. You may have heard of it... "Musket Love" by The Captain and Tenille

@AARguy

LOL!

Not sure how many are going to get the reference,but most my age probably will.

[Kamaji]

Even back during the Revolution, liberals had no idea what weaponry was about. A singing group led by a British Army Officer of the era made a famous song about it. You may have heard of it... "Musket Love" by The Captain and Tenille

[Smokin Joe]

But it wasn't the musket that won the war, it was the Kentucky and Pennsylvania rifles that selectively eliminated command personnel and with far greater accuracy, served to eliminate British troops as well. The musket was an area weapon when employed in large numbers by massed troops, but Americans had managed to learn the skulking way of war of the Iroquois and other tribes, and coupled with the accuracy of the rifles, did serious damage to the British command and noncommissioned officers.

The whole premise is fallacious, and I have little doubt that had Washington's army had AK-47 s and a supply of ammunition available, they would have enthusiastically applied them.

[andy58-in-nh]

The whole premise is fallacious, and I have little doubt that had Washington's army had AK-47 s and a supply of ammunition available, they would have enthusiastically applied them.

All true, of course.

The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and Bill of Rights were written with quill pens.

Yet, their words and their meaning were not invalidated by technological advances, nor were such advances ever assumed to be categorically excluded from their effect. 

[Wingnut]

Or Guttenberg Presses.

Can I get one of those at Starbucks?

[Wingnut]

But it wasn't the musket that won the war, it was the Kentucky and Pennsylvania rifles that selectively eliminated command personnel and with far greater accuracy, served to eliminate British troops as well. The musket was an area weapon when employed in large numbers by massed troops, but Americans had managed to learn the skulking way of war of the Iroquois and other tribes, and coupled with the accuracy of the rifles, did serious damage to the British command and noncommissioned officers.

The whole premise is fallacious, and I have little doubt that had Washington's army had AK-47 s and a supply of ammunition available, they would have enthusiastically applied them.

The Aliens should have given them phasers.

[BellyAche]

All true, of course.

The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and Bill of Rights were written with quill pens.

Yet, their words and their meaning were not invalidated by technological advances, nor were such advances ever assumed to be categorically excluded from their effect.

Quill pens!  Never thought of this observation. Love it!!! And wonderfully written. 

[libertybele]

Ok, I had to look up to see who Gayle King is -- no further explanation needed.

[verga]

Gayle King: Writers of 2nd Amendment ‘Were Talking about Muskets’

Ian Hanchett 25 May 2022

On Wednesday’s broadcast of “CBS Mornings,” co-host Gayle King said that when the founders wrote the 2nd Amendment, “they were talking about muskets. I do not think if they were here today that they were thinking that people, kids, would have these assault rifles.”

Stupid Beyotch, they were talking about he current state of the art in weaponry. They had just fought off a tyranicsl goveernment and wasnted toamke sure the people were going to be protected from the same thing happening again.

[verga]

Even back during the Revolution, liberals had no idea what weaponry was about. A singing group led by a British Army Officer of the era made a famous song about it. You may have heard of it... "Musket Love" by The Captain and Tenille

Great now I have an ear warm 

[txradioguy]

"well regulated Militia" is a term open to interpretation.

No it's not really.

[txradioguy]

Ok, I had to look up to see who Gayle King is -- no further explanation needed.

Oprah's long term girlfriend.

[txradioguy]

Muskets are a type of rifle that were around long before modern weapons. A musket was a state-of-the art "rifle" in its day. Actually, the word "rifle" refers to grooves in the barrel of a rifle and the way a bullet is set to spinning as it travels down a "rifled" barrel. That whole technology did not exist in the era of the American revolution. It came much later.

Siri: What is the Kentucky Rifle?

[Wingnut]

Even back during the Revolution, liberals had no idea what weaponry was about. A singing group led by a British Army Officer of the era made a famous song about it. You may have heard of it... "Musket Love" by The Captain and Tenille

That is the famous song about  Musket Susie and Musket Sam
Doing the jitterbug out in musket land

[massadvj]

The founding fathers envisioned two possible futures: (1) a federal government so small that it would be unable to garner the resources to defend itself, and (2) a federal government so large that it had a standing army large enough to defend itself.  In either case, it made sense to have an armed citizenry. In the first case to defend the country, and in the second case to defend the citizenry against the possibility of the military being used against it.

[Smokin Joe]

The founding fathers envisioned two possible futures: (1) a federal government so small that it would be unable to garner the resources to defend itself, and (2) a federal government so large that it had a standing army large enough to defend itself.  In either case, it made sense to have an armed citizenry. In the first case to defend the country, and in the second case to defend the citizenry against the possibility of the military being used against it.

Thats it in a nutshell.

The security of a free State depends on being able to defend itself from outside threats, but at the same time to be able to defend itself from those who would take it over from within, using the standing army (and destroy that freedom).
The sentiment was that the vast number of citizens, by force of arms if necessary, would so overwhelm the standing army in the event of the latter scenario, that even in the absence of military training, the citizens would prevail and retain their freedom.
In the event for a foreign threat, those same citizens could augment the Military, and by virtue of being familiar with arms, be more easily trained to enter those ranks.

For freedom, this was seen as a win/win, no matter which way events transpired, and in the event neither was necessary, no harm was done. Ours is an armed tradition.

[berdie]

How in the living daylights does Gayle King know the founder's intent? Is she a medium?

[DefiantMassRINO]

The purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to have citizens and states act as a check and balance on Federal overreach.

The British marched on Lexington and Concord on April 19, 1775, to seize the colonial minutemen's arms from the Armory in Concord.