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« Reply #1875 on: August 04, 2022, 05:26:12 pm »
Deserting is a tad different from refusing an order.  These soldiers did not desert.
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« Reply #1876 on: August 04, 2022, 05:33:19 pm »
Deserting is a tad different from refusing an order.  These soldiers did not desert.

That's true, I was making a hypothetical...
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« Reply #1877 on: August 04, 2022, 05:42:57 pm »
That's true, I was making a hypothetical...

Yes, I understand what you meant. 

If the Russian regime doesn't value the lives of their own soldiers, how much less do they value the lives of the Ukrainian people.
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« Reply #1878 on: August 04, 2022, 05:51:55 pm »
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« Reply #1879 on: August 05, 2022, 01:17:57 pm »
Russia plans to plant 'evidence' blaming the West for Ukrainian prison camp rocket blast, US officials fear

By MAIL FOREIGN SERVICE
4 August 2022

Russia is working to fake evidence to claim Western rockets destroyed a jail housing Ukrainian prisoners of war, Washington warned yesterday.

US intelligence officials say Russia wants it to appear that Ukrainian forces were responsible for the July 29 attack on Olenivka prison that left 53 dead.

Russia has said Ukraine's military used US rocket launchers to strike the prison in the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR).

The Ukrainian defence ministry claimed to have evidence the DPR colluded with the Russian FSB and Moscow's mercenary group, Wagner, to mine the barrack before 'using a flammable substance, which led to the rapid spread of fire in the room'.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11082887/Russia-plant-evidence-blaming-West-Ukrainian-prison-camp-rocket-blast-officials-fear.html
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« Reply #1880 on: August 05, 2022, 01:28:59 pm »
Desperate Putin 'is considering turning to Kim Jong Un for help in Ukraine and offering energy and grain in return for 100,000 soldiers', Russian reports claim

By WILL STEWART and CHRIS JEWERS FOR MAILONLINE
5 August 2022

A desperate Vladimir Putin is considering turning to North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un for help in his invasion of Ukraine, and is willing to offer energy and grain in return for 100,000 soldiers, according to reports in Russia.

North Korea has made it clear through 'diplomatic channels' that as well as providing builders to repair war damage, it is ready to supply a vast fighting force in an attempt to tip the balance in Moscow's favour, reported Regnum news agency.

They would be deployed to the forces of the separatist pro-Putin Donetsk People's Republic [DPR] and Luhansk People's Republic [LPR], both of which Kim has recently recognised as independent countries.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11083715/Desperate-Putin-considering-turning-Kim-Jong-help-Ukraine.html
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« Reply #1881 on: August 05, 2022, 01:44:53 pm »
Soon to be 100,000 North Korean defectors.
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« Reply #1882 on: August 05, 2022, 01:48:30 pm »
Soon to be 100,000 North Korean defectors.

I was thinking the same thing.
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« Reply #1883 on: August 06, 2022, 02:29:45 pm »
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The new CBS Reports documentary, "Arming Ukraine," explores why much of the billions of dollars of military aid that the U.S. is sending to Ukraine doesn't make it to the front lines: "Like 30% of it reaches its final destination." Stream now: https://cbsn.ws/3oV6hz5
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You’re suddenly asking the same questions that just weeks ago you claimed were only being asked by treasonous pro-Putin sympathizers. What changed? Have you switched sides?
12:35 AM · Aug 6, 2022

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Note the narrative shift. They’re setting up the path to cut Zelensky loose
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« Reply #1884 on: August 06, 2022, 03:09:11 pm »
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The new CBS Reports documentary, "Arming Ukraine," explores why much of the billions of dollars of military aid that the U.S. is sending to Ukraine doesn't make it to the front lines: "Like 30% of it reaches its final destination." Stream now: https://cbsn.ws/3oV6hz5
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You’re suddenly asking the same questions that just weeks ago you claimed were only being asked by treasonous pro-Putin sympathizers. What changed? Have you switched sides?
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You know this,I know this,Ukraine knows this,Congress knows this,the  Department of Justice knows this,SO WHY THE HELL HAVE NO ARRESTS BEEN MADE?

We all know the answer,even the DoJ. Congresscritters and US Senators,PRIMARILY Dims,but with a rich mixture of their alleged Republican co-conspirators are the ones doing this,and they are "too big to bust".

Things like this are THE prime reason why TRUMP needs to be our next President. No,he can NOT do this on his own,but he can with just a handful of support from congress and the US Senate,and the mostly full support of the voters.

This group will NOT the union voters getting paid big bucks to build this stuff that is either sold in the black market or get dumped at sea,but these people are a minority of the voting population.
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« Reply #1885 on: August 06, 2022, 03:11:41 pm »
Yes, I understand what you meant. 

If the Russian regime doesn't value the lives of their own soldiers, how much less do they value the lives of the Ukrainian people.

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The Russian regime is actually the same old Communist dictators that were in charge before Yeltsin,and brought back into power under King Putin. They don't give a damn about anyone but themselves and their families,never mind caring about mere soldier-pawns.
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« Reply #1886 on: August 06, 2022, 04:32:03 pm »
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Volodymyr Zelensky Asks Xi Jinping for Talks, Invites China to Rebuild Ukraine
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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky told the South China Morning Post on Thursday that he would like to discuss his country’s war against Russia with the leader of Russia’s closest ally, Xi Jinping, “directly,” and invited China to help rebuild Ukraine once the war is over.

Zelensky’s discussion with the Morning Post, a Hong Kong newspaper, was the first with an Asian news outlet since Russia escalated its eight-year-old war against Ukraine into a full-scale invasion in February. Zelensky used the opportunity to request a personal discussion with Xi, a genocidal communist dictator who is largely bankrolling the invasion of Ukraine through large purchases of cheap Russian oil and gas.

Ukraine is a member of China’s Belt and Road Initiative (BRI), a global program to trap poor countries in predatory loans to China that they cannot afford. The loans are nominally meant to pay China for massive infrastructure projects. China was also Ukraine’s top trading partner prior to the war. Last year, Zelensky said he hoped that Ukraine would become a “bridge to Europe” for Chinese influence in his last conversation with Xi.

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Zelensky also expressed hope that China would play a role in the reconstruction of Ukraine once the war ended, inducing “China, Chinese businesses” to enter the Ukrainian market.

“I really would like the whole world to [unite] over this process. It’s very hard for us to overcome this,” the president was quoted as saying.


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« Reply #1887 on: August 06, 2022, 04:43:07 pm »
"The new CBS Reports documentary, "Arming Ukraine," explores why much of the billions of dollars of military aid that the U.S. is sending to Ukraine doesn't make it to the front lines: "Like 30% of it reaches its final destination." Stream now: https://cbsn.ws/3oV6hz5

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« Reply #1888 on: August 06, 2022, 04:44:13 pm »
"The new CBS Reports documentary, "Arming Ukraine," explores why much of the billions of dollars of military aid that the U.S. is sending to Ukraine doesn't make it to the front lines: "Like 30% of it reaches its final destination." Stream now: https://cbsn.ws/3oV6hz5"  (Video)


Hell....  the Big Guy was only getting 10%   :cool:
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« Reply #1889 on: August 06, 2022, 04:46:38 pm »
Hell....  the Big Guy was only getting 10%   :cool:

Between Afghanistan and The Ukraine we're arming thw world ---- against us.   **nononono*
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« Reply #1890 on: August 06, 2022, 06:09:22 pm »
"The new CBS Reports documentary, "Arming Ukraine," explores why much of the billions of dollars of military aid that the U.S. is sending to Ukraine doesn't make it to the front lines

Ukraine is the victim of US corruption.  $40 billion in spending, yet they can't deliver actual weapons to the people who need them.
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« Reply #1891 on: August 06, 2022, 06:15:38 pm »
Footage appears to show fresh atrocity against Ukrainian PoW

Russians accused of barbaric behaviour apparently seen in videos and photos from captured city of Popasna

Luke Harding  |  6 Aug 2022  |  08.59 EDT

Horrific video and photos have emerged that appear to show the head of a Ukrainian prisoner of war stuck on a pole outside a house in the eastern Ukrainian city of Popasna, which was captured by Russian forces in May and is close to the current frontline in the Donbas.

The Ukrainian governor of Luhansk province, Serhiy Haidai, posted the gruesome photo on his Telegram channel. It has since been widely shared on social media. Ukrainians have accused Russian troops of barbaric medieval behaviour and likened the image to Lord of the Rings.

“They really are orcs. Twenty-first century, occupied Popasna, human skull on the fence,” Haidai wrote. “There is nothing human about the Russians. We are at war with non-humans.”  .  .  .

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/06/footage-appears-show-head-ukrainian-pow-stuck-pole
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« Reply #1892 on: August 06, 2022, 06:37:28 pm »
Ukraine is the victim of US corruption.  $40 billion in spending, yet they can't deliver actual weapons to the people who need them.

I hate war profiteers as much as I hate invaders of sovereign nations.

The war profiteers and lack of prosecution of them doesn't change the fact that supporting Ukraine is a just cause. I don't care if Zelenskyy is a left wing jerk, or if his govt has corrupt people in it, the Ukrainian people have clearly shown that they are willing to fight to the death to save their country. I support them in this cause. They are not asking for our troops to save them. They only want the weapons to defeat the Orcs.
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« Reply #1893 on: August 06, 2022, 06:51:36 pm »
Ukraine is the victim of US corruption. 

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« Reply #1894 on: August 06, 2022, 07:08:32 pm »
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I take it that you didn't actually watch the video you posted.
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« Reply #1895 on: August 06, 2022, 07:20:47 pm »
From the video:


Donatella Rovera - Senior Crisis Adviser, Amnesty International

"What is more worrying is that at least some of the countries that are sending weapons do not seem to think that it is their responsibility to put in place a very robust oversight mechanism to ensure they know how they are being used today, but also how they might and will be used tomorrow."




In other words, the US is dropping off weapons with no intent of getting them to the front line.  Like I said, that is US corruption.  $8.7 billion being paid directly to the State Department, and they can't hire the first person to help oversee aid that is being sent in the name of Ukraine.
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« Reply #1896 on: August 06, 2022, 08:59:11 pm »
‘Putin’s Chef’ Is Personally Touring Russian Prisons for Wagner Recruits to Fight in Ukraine, Reports Say

Daily Beast by Allison Quinn 8/6/2022

https://www.thedailybeast.com/putins-chef-yevgeny-prigozhin-is-touring-prisons-for-wagner-recruits-to-fight-in-ukraine-reports-say

“In general, he gave the impression of a mania,” one unnamed prisoner was quoted telling Mediazona.

A sanctioned Russian businessman and close Putin ally linked to the notorious Wagner Group has reportedly been personally touring Russian prisons and recruiting inmates to join the fight in Ukraine.

That’s according to new reporting out Saturday by the independent outlet Mediazona, which interviewed two inmates held in different facilities in different regions of Russia. Numerous reports have emerged in recent weeks about Wagner’s alleged new recruiting drive among inmates, with the private Russian military force ostensibly trying to shore up Russian forces that have been depleted by heavy losses in the nearly six month war.

But this appears to be the first time that Yevgeny Prigozhin, commonly known as “Putin’s chef,” personally appealed to inmates.

“They are primarily interested in murderers and robbers, they treat the drug addicts warily, the same with the rapists. It’s better, he said, for it to not be common killers, but straight up calculating ones–you will like it with us, he said. In general, he gave the impression of a mania,” one unnamed inmate was quoted telling Mediazona.

The inmate went on to note there seemed to be no coercion to join, though “very many” did sign up, he said, estimating that at least 200 inmates eagerly accepted the offer.

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« Reply #1897 on: August 06, 2022, 09:50:03 pm »
A sanctioned Russian businessman and close Putin ally linked to the notorious Wagner Group

Putin allied with nazis?  Say it ain't so.
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« Reply #1898 on: August 06, 2022, 10:42:19 pm »
Report: Biden Admin Poised to Give Ukraine $1 Billion Weapons Package

JORDAN DIXON-HAMILTON  |  5 Aug 2022


President Joe Biden’s administration is prepared to send Ukraine a $1 billion weapons package as early as Monday, according to a Reuters report.

The $1 billion weapons package would be one of the largest aid packages the United States has sent Ukraine since Russia invaded the country back in February.

The $1 billion weapons package will include “munitions for long-range weapons and armored medical transport vehicles,” according to Reuters sources, who spoke with the outlet on condition of anonymity.


https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1555627753419980806

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/08/05/report-biden-admin-poised-to-give-ukraine-1-billion-weapons-package/



This nickel and dime bullshit has got to stop.  Biden is intentionally holding back weapons, trying to drag this war out as long as possible.  M-113s?  Seriously?  This is your huge $1 billion weapons package?  Meanwhile, $40 billion continues to line someone's pockets at DoD, Department of State, HHS, etc., while Ukrainian soldiers at the front line go without.
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« Reply #1899 on: August 06, 2022, 10:46:32 pm »
Report: Biden Admin Poised to Give Ukraine $1 Billion Weapons Package

JORDAN DIXON-HAMILTON  |  5 Aug 2022


President Joe Biden’s administration is prepared to send Ukraine a $1 billion weapons package as early as Monday, according to a Reuters report.

The $1 billion weapons package would be one of the largest aid packages the United States has sent Ukraine since Russia invaded the country back in February.

The $1 billion weapons package will include “munitions for long-range weapons and armored medical transport vehicles,” according to Reuters sources, who spoke with the outlet on condition of anonymity.


https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1555627753419980806

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/08/05/report-biden-admin-poised-to-give-ukraine-1-billion-weapons-package/



This nickel and dime bullshit has got to stop.  Biden is intentionally holding back weapons, trying to drag this war out as long as possible.  M-113s?  Seriously?  This is your huge $1 billion weapons package?  Meanwhile, $40 billion continues to line someone's pockets at DoD, Department of State, HHS, etc., while Ukrainian soldiers at the front line go without.

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