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[Hoodat]

Ukraine's First Lady asks US Congress for weapons

5 hours ago

Ukraine's First Lady Olena Zelenska has asked US Congress for more help in fighting the war against Russia.

During a passionate speech in Washington, she said: "I am asking for weapons. Weapons that will not be used to wage a war on somebody else’s land but to protect one’s home."

It comes after Russia said its war aims had now expanded beyond eastern Ukraine. Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov implied it was in response to the West supplying longer-range weapons.

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-62244874

[Right_in_Virginia]

Aid that Ukraine never asked for.  Since Day One, they have asked for one thing and one thing only - weapons.

Wrong. 

Zelensky's asked for billions/month (receiving hundreds of millions from us) to cover their budger shortfall so they can continue to pay the salaries of nurses and government administrative workers.

Ukraine needs $9 billion in foreign aid per month, top Zelensky adviser says
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/foreign/ukraine-needs-9-billion-in-foreign-aid-per-month-top-zelensky-adviser-says

Biden tells Zelensky US will give Ukraine $500 million in budget aid
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/600362-biden-tells-zelensky-us-will-give-ukraine-500-million-in-budget-aid/

And don't forget, Zelensky has put the world on notice to set side $750 billion for the reconstruction of The Ukraine.

Ukraine lays out $750B ‘recovery plan’ for postwar future
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-zelenskyy-putin-switzerland-22337ad38f74d18d4dae63952a7f433e

[Kamaji]

Russian soldiers are put 'on a direct path to a body bag' with only FIVE DAYS' training for recruits and some sent to Ukraine without knowing how to use a machine gun

By CHRIS JEWERS FOR MAILONLINE
21 July 2022

Russian soldiers are being put 'on a direct path to a body bag,' a military analyst has said, with one soldier claiming he was given just five days of training before being sent to fight on the front lines in Ukraine.

The soldier, named only as Ivan to protect his identity, said in some cases his comrades were being shipped off to fight without even knowing how to use a machine gun, according to The Moscow Times.

The report is the latest sign of Russia's increasing desperation to crush Ukraine's fierce resistance that has taken the Kremlin by surprise, with some estimates suggesting President Vladimir Putin has seen more than 30,000 of his troops killed.

When the invasion began on February 24, Moscow brazenly believed its forces would sweep to victory and depose Kyiv's government in a matter of days. Instead, Russia has been dragged into a protracted and costly conflict, with no end in sight.

Independent military analyst Pavel Luzin offered a damning assessment of Russia's military when told of Ivan's claim that he was given less than a week of training.

'A week [of training] is nothing — for a soldier, it is a direct path to a hospital or a body bag,' Luzin told The Moscow Times on Thursday.

*  *  *

Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11034705/Russian-soldiers-direct-path-body-bag-recruits-given-FIVE-DAYS-training.html

[sneakypete]

Ignored it?  Heck, they're counting on it.


Aid that Ukraine never asked for.  Since Day One, they have asked for one thing and one thing only - weapons.

@Hoodat

Yeah,but there is damn little graft to be pulled from that. Maybe a few percentage points for the weapons manufactures,but it pretty much ends there,and they are NOT coughing up millions.

The REAL money is in stealing the cash.

[bilo]

Russian soldiers are being put 'on a direct path to a body bag,' a military analyst has said, with one soldier claiming he was given just five days of training before being sent to fight on the front lines in Ukraine.

This is a good indication that although Ukraine has lost territory the cost to the Russians is to great to be sustained. Add in the weapons that are getting to the battle and Ukraine has a chance to repel the invaders. It all hinges on continuing to support Ukraine with the weapons they need.

I would think at some point the losses for Russia would create a backlash against their aggression, but so far that doesn't seem to be the case.

[bilo]

@Hoodat

Yeah,but there is damn little graft to be pulled from that. Maybe a few percentage points for the weapons manufactures,but it pretty much ends there,and they are NOT coughing up millions.

The REAL money is in stealing the cash.

One thing to consider is the flow of the money. The USA is giving Ukraine billions and Ukraine is using the money to buy weapons which goes to the businesses that make the weapons. These same businesses higher lobbyists who then direct money to campaigns.

[sneakypete]

Russian soldiers are being put 'on a direct path to a body bag,' a military analyst has said, with one soldier claiming he was given just five days of training before being sent to fight on the front lines in Ukraine.

This is a good indication that although Ukraine has lost territory the cost to the Russians is to great to be sustained. Add in the weapons that are getting to the battle and Ukraine has a chance to repel the invaders. It all hinges on continuing to support Ukraine with the weapons they need.

I would think at some point the losses for Russia would create a backlash against their aggression, but so far that doesn't seem to be the case.

@bilo

It SHOULD have,and WOULD have if Russia were still a democracy as it was under the old,fat guy.

Then Putin/Biden took over and gradually turned it into a dictatorship once again,and people are afraid to speak out.

This will continue until the situation gets so bad that the security of Russia from invasion by a foreign nation gets so bad that the creatures in the Politburo "man up",dump Putin,and call their troops back to Russia while they still have troops that will obey their orders.

I hope that is what happens because if it doesn't,a second Russian revolution is inevitable,and nobody sane wants to see that happen.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Zelensky's asked for billions/month (receiving hundreds of millions from us) to cover their budger shortfall so they can continue to pay the salaries of nurses and government administrative workers.

Ukraine needs $9 billion in foreign aid per month, top Zelensky adviser says
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/foreign/ukraine-needs-9-billion-in-foreign-aid-per-month-top-zelensky-adviser-says

Biden tells Zelensky US will give Ukraine $500 million in budget aid
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/600362-biden-tells-zelensky-us-will-give-ukraine-500-million-in-budget-aid/

And don't forget, Zelensky has put the world on notice to set side $750 billion for the reconstruction of The Ukraine.

Ukraine lays out $750B ‘recovery plan’ for postwar future
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-zelenskyy-putin-switzerland-22337ad38f74d18d4dae63952a7f433e

US to provide $100 million support to Ukrainian farmers – Agrarian Ministry
Jul 20, 2022

The United States has established the $100 million Agriculture Resilience Initiative (AGRI) to help the Ukrainian agricultural sector amid the worsening of the global food crisis exacerbated by Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

"The initiative will increase Ukrainian farmers’ access to critical agricultural inputs including seeds, fertilizer, equipment, and pesticides, enhance Ukrainian infrastructure capacity and capability to efficiently export agricultural goods, increase farmers’ access to financing, and expand the capacity of Ukrainian businesses to dry and temporarily store, and process agricultural commodities," USAID said.

According to the Ministry of Agrarian Policy, USAID will work with farmers' associations to adapt granaries to their individual needs, which will allow them to apply effective technologies where necessary.

"USAID seeks to raise an additional $150 million for the initiative from fellow donors and the private sector with an overall target of $250 million. AGRI-Ukraine builds on a range of support USAID is providing to Ukraine’s agriculture sector in the wake of Russia’s full scale invasion, including providing over 8,000 Ukrainian farmers with seeds, fertilizers, pesticides, and more, reaching approximately 14% of the country’s registered agriculture enterprises, to help them deliver this year’s harvest despite the devastation caused by Russia’s invasion," USAID added.

https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/economic/847299.html

[Elderberry]

Air Force open to giving A-10s to Ukraine in latest move to get rid of them

American Military News by Ryan Morgan   July 21, 2022

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2022/07/air-force-open-to-giving-a-10s-to-ukraine-in-latest-move-to-get-rid-of-them/

Air Force Secretary Frank Kendall indicated on Wednesday that he would be open to giving retirement-bound aging A-10 Thunderbolt IIs in the U.S. fleet to Ukraine to assist in its ongoing war against invading Russian forces.

During an interview on the topic of Air Force modernization efforts during the Aspen Security Forum on Wednesday, Kendall was asked about recent comments that modernization “means letting go of familiar systems and concepts.” When the Washington Post’s David Ignatius asked Kendall what specific systems he was referring to letting go of, Kendall immediately brought up “the venerable A-10.”

“The venerable A-10 — which is an Army officer I supported for many many decades — actually um is not a system that we’re going to need against the kinds of adversaries where we’re concerned about most now.”

When Ignatius then asked about transferring retiring A-10s to Ukraine, Kendall said “General Brown addressed that question this morning about what fighters Ukraine might be interested in.”

More at link.

[Hoodat]

Wrong. 

Zelensky's asked for billions/month (receiving hundreds of millions from us) to cover their budger shortfall so they can continue to pay the salaries of nurses and government administrative workers.

Ukraine needs $9 billion in foreign aid per month, top Zelensky adviser says
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/foreign/ukraine-needs-9-billion-in-foreign-aid-per-month-top-zelensky-adviser-says

Biden tells Zelensky US will give Ukraine $500 million in budget aid
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/600362-biden-tells-zelensky-us-will-give-ukraine-500-million-in-budget-aid/

And don't forget, Zelensky has put the world on notice to set side $750 billion for the reconstruction of The Ukraine.

Ukraine lays out $750B ‘recovery plan’ for postwar future
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-zelenskyy-putin-switzerland-22337ad38f74d18d4dae63952a7f433e

Conspicuously missing from each of those links is the part where Zelenskiy asked us for the money.

[Hoodat]

US to provide $100 million support to Ukrainian farmers – Agrarian Ministry
Jul 20, 2022

The United States has established the $100 million Agriculture Resilience Initiative (AGRI) to help the Ukrainian agricultural sector amid the worsening of the global food crisis exacerbated by Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

"The initiative will increase Ukrainian farmers’ access to critical agricultural inputs including seeds, fertilizer, equipment, and pesticides, enhance Ukrainian infrastructure capacity and capability to efficiently export agricultural goods, increase farmers’ access to financing, and expand the capacity of Ukrainian businesses to dry and temporarily store, and process agricultural commodities," USAID said.  .  .  .

Ukraine didn't ask for this.  They asked for weapons to stop Russia.

[sneakypete]

Ukraine didn't ask for this.  They asked for weapons to stop Russia.

@Hoodat

Yup! This has to do with some congresscriter having a donor who owns or controls a fertilizer company,tractor supply company,etc,etc,etc. It's a way for them to skim millions from the taxpayers without attracting much attention.

BTW,WHO is promoting this in the House and the Senate?

[Right_in_Virginia]

Ukraine didn't ask for this.  They asked for weapons to stop Russia.

Ukraine needs $9 billion in foreign aid per month, top Zelensky adviser says
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/foreign/ukraine-needs-9-billion-in-foreign-aid-per-month-top-zelensky-adviser-says

[Right_in_Virginia]

@Hoodat

BTW,WHO is promoting this in the House and the Senate?

You and your Cold War Veterans.

[Hoodat]

Ukraine needs $9 billion in foreign aid per month, top Zelensky adviser says
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/foreign/ukraine-needs-9-billion-in-foreign-aid-per-month-top-zelensky-adviser-says

Again, the crucial thing missing from that story is the part where Ukraine asked the US for the money.

[Hoodat]

You and your Cold War Veterans.

Yeah, right.

[Elderberry]

My son served on fast attack subs for 6 yrs. He said that the Cold War never ended for our sub fleet.

[Hoodat]

Russia 'looting' steel bound for Europe and UK, says Metinvest boss

Simon Jack  |  3 hours ago

Russia is looting $600m (£500m) worth of steel from plants and ports in Ukraine, according to the boss of Ukraine's largest steel firm Metinvest.

The firm owns the Azovstal plant that became the last holdout of Ukrainian soldiers and civilians during the devastation of the city of Mariupol.

Chief executive Yuriy Ryzhenkov said steel was being transferred to Russia and sold on, some of which had been bound for customers in the UK.

The Kremlin has not commented.

Metinvest is headquartered in Mariupol, a centre for trade and manufacturing, which after almost three months of relentless assault, fell to Russia in May.

Mr Ryzhenkov said 300 employees and 200 employees' relatives were killed in the assault on the Azovstal plant, which together with its sister plant Ilyich accounted for 40% of all Ukraine steel production.

Thousands of tonnes of steel had been paid for by European customers, including some in the UK.

He said that public sources and the company's own informants reported the steel was being transferred to Russia and sold in internal markets or to countries in Africa and Asia.

"What they're doing is basically looting. They're stealing not only our products, but also some of those products already belong to the European customers. So basically, they're not only stealing from us, they're stealing from the Europeans as well," Mr Ryzhenkov told the BBC.  .  .

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-62252704


I wonder how the DPR leaders feel about Russia looting Donetsk steel.

[sneakypete]

You and your Cold War Veterans.

@Right_in_Virginia

ESAD!

What *I* am promoting is weapons and food transfers to Ukraine in order to help them destroy the evil monster once known openly as the "Soviet Union"

You,on the other hand,are a surrender monkey whose motto seems to be "better red than dead".

BTW,I am a "Hot War Veteran" in more than one country,thank you very much!

How many wars have YOU  fought in?

[Hoodat]

Russian forces destroy schools in eastern Ukraine

15h ago  |  07:03

People are being urged to evacuate as Russian forces have destroyed schools in Kramatorsk and Kostiantynivka, in eastern Ukraine, according to the governor of the Donetsk region.

Pavlo Kyrylenko reported two schools have been devastated by a Russian military strike while the industrial area of Kramatorsk and central Bakhmut have also been shelled. A house has also been damaged.

The Ukrainian politician said: "Russia is purposefully destroying our cities and villages. Do not put yourself in danger - evacuate."

There are no reports of casualties or deaths at this time.



https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-news-live-putins-forces-close-in-on-major-power-plant-as-russia-says-it-will-expand-its-goals-12541713?postid=4192987#liveblog-body

[sneakypete]

Russian forces destroy schools in eastern Ukraine

15h ago  |  07:03

People are being urged to evacuate as Russian forces have destroyed schools in Kramatorsk and Kostiantynivka, in eastern Ukraine, according to the governor of the Donetsk region.

Pavlo Kyrylenko reported two schools have been devastated by a Russian military strike while the industrial area of Kramatorsk and central Bakhmut have also been shelled. A house has also been damaged.

The Ukrainian politician said: "Russia is purposefully destroying our cities and villages. Do not put yourself in danger - evacuate."

There are no reports of casualties or deaths at this time.



https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-news-live-putins-forces-close-in-on-major-power-plant-as-russia-says-it-will-expand-its-goals-12541713?postid=4192987#liveblog-body

@Hoodat

BTW,am I the only one that believes there are damn few people in Ukraine sending their children off to school these days?

MY best guess is everybody it trying to keep their families together as much as possible in case they all have to run.

Providing,of course,that they don't have some safe place to send their children off to until after this thing ends.

[sneakypete]

My son served on fast attack subs for 6 yrs. He said that the Cold War never ended for our sub fleet.

@Elderberry

And it never will unless it turns "hot for real".

[Hoodat]

Ukrainian boy, 7, left with severe burns and shrapnel in his head after Russian missile strike

At least 24 people were killed in the attack in the city of Vinnytsia, including four-year-old Liza Dmytrieva.

Olive Enokido-Lineham  |  Thursday 21 July  |  2022 21:27, UK

A seven-year-old Ukrainian boy has been left with severe burns across his body and shrapnel in his head following a Russian missile strike.

On Wednesday, Ukraine's foreign affairs minister Emine Dzheppar shared an image of Roman, who was injured on 14 July after Russian missiles struck the central city of Vinnytsia.

Ms Dzheppar said the child had severe burns covering almost half of his body - 45%.

The image shows Roman in a hospital bed, with bandages wrapped around his whole head and covering his arm.

Last Thursday, cruise missiles hit an office block and damaged nearby residential buildings, causing a huge blaze which spread to a car park and set vehicles alight.

The strikes on Vinnytsia were launched by a Russian submarine and were the latest incidents to take civilian lives in Ukraine.

At least 24 people were killed in the attack, including two boys aged seven and eight, and more than 200 were wounded.  .  .

https://news.sky.com/story/ukrainian-boy-7-left-with-severe-burns-and-shrapnel-in-his-head-after-russian-missile-strike-12656520


Evil.  Pure evil.

[Hoodat]

https://twitter.com/ZelenskaUA/status/1549812469467680769

[Right_in_Virginia]

@Right_in_Virginia

ESAD!

What *I* am promoting is weapons and food transfers to Ukraine in order to help them destroy the evil monster once known openly as the "Soviet Union"

How many wars have YOU  fought in?

Nope.  You gleefully jumped back into the Cold War.  You are still too afraid to ask the tough questions for this 21st Century shi*tshow  ---- so you own it --- ALL of it --- and you always will.

BTW @sneakypete  ....  until you can name the war you fought in and won, spare me your know-it-all attitude.