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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #1125 on: June 08, 2022, 12:15:17 am »
Obviously, you feel that the war between Ukraine and Russia is more important and our fight and the heck with securing our own country.  Got it.

Clearly you don't "get it".

All the pro appeasement crowd is doing is conflating one issue with another.
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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #1126 on: June 08, 2022, 12:29:43 am »
The EU should do this, not us.

@Right_in_Virginia

Close,but no cigar. ALL free states should join with our efforts to stop Neo-Soviet aggression by handing them their asses in a bucket.

NOTHING in life is free with the possible exception of grief,and even then we end up paying for it one way or another.

EVERY nation and peoples who are free and who want to remain free should take part at whatever level,EXCEPT assault combat troops,to make sure the Neo-Soviets lose this war they started so badly that they are never tempted to try it again.
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« Reply #1127 on: June 08, 2022, 12:31:34 am »
I am personally calling my Congressman and urging him to print another $100 Billion Dollars for 'you know' ... Ukraine and stuff, sort of. Hey! Let's print $1000 Billion Dollars for Ukraine! I advocate moving the U.S. Federal Mint directly to Ukraine. And to just print as much money as they want.

That's a terrible idea.  If the money is printed in Ukraine, then the regime heads will have to figure out a way to ship it back.  When the money is printed here (like it is now), the money is already in the place where it will end up regardless of where they claim it will go.
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« Reply #1128 on: June 08, 2022, 12:40:20 am »
One other thing I am growing more and more sure about every day is that if Russia isn't stopped NOW,and Putin removed from power, there WILL be another world war because getting away with this will only encourage them to go for more.

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To quote ABBA:  "The history book on the shelf is always repeating itself"
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« Reply #1129 on: June 08, 2022, 12:44:11 am »
Obviously, you feel that the war between Ukraine and Russia is more important and our fight and the heck with securing our own country.  Got it.

I'll take 'Logical Fallacies' for $400, Alex.

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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #1130 on: June 08, 2022, 12:46:28 am »
Good news; another Russian nazi shot dead:

Funny how all the nazis are fighting for Putin.
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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #1131 on: June 08, 2022, 01:03:04 am »
Funny how all the nazis are fighting for Putin.

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Well,after all,"Communism" is nothing but another word for "National Socialism."
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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #1132 on: June 08, 2022, 01:14:18 am »
The seeds of our economic collapse have been sown in the absolute war on energy--energy crucial to producing, mining, manufacturing, processing and transporting everything but the lies on TV (and, actually, even those).

As those costs increase, the cost of all else will also, that increase enhanced by the inflationary pressure of trillions of dollars in money created for causes it will never go to, siphoned off to import and distribute illegal immigrants throughout the country, not starving children, but nearly all fit young men of military age. We are witnessing the greatest criminal enterprise in history in action, because all of it is stealing from us.

Not for one second does it matter where they say the funding is going, most of it will never get there--it will be skimmed off by the crooks and cronies of the current Administration here.

If our Southern Border is to be controlled, it will be because an overwhelming number of Americans will go there, and be ready to defend not only this country but their own backs against the likes of this regime, with whatever force is necessary. But I have little doubt that the Administration would call in air strikes and use armed drones with all the gadgets we have bought, not to defend the border against invasion, but to combat any ad hoc force of Americans who intended to do so.

It will be that ad hoc force, or a change in management that will stop that invasion, and nothing else.

Biden is one of the creators of this problem (with Obama), one from which we had hopes of a respite while Trump was in office, but renewed with greater vigor once Biden got in. No money sent to the border now will accomplish anything, and the current Executive Branch will see to that, even down to waging war on Americans defending our country. Just one more reason they want our guns.

In the meantime, there is the opportunity to aid the Ukrainians in the attrition of the Russian force structure, and taking advantage of that while the will is there to do so is unlikely to be a regrettable act, so long as we and NATO avoid direct involvement in combat with the Russians and we can keep our troops out of it, despite the ravings of the Puppet in Chief.

Of course our own government would deter us from securing our own borders; it's been happening.

As for the Russo Ukraine war,  I'm afraid that U.S. troops will eventually be directly involved.
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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #1133 on: June 08, 2022, 01:15:18 am »
Funny how all the nazis are fighting for Putin.

yup

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« Reply #1134 on: June 08, 2022, 01:37:34 am »
Of course our own government would deter us from securing our own borders; it's been happening.

As for the Russo Ukraine war,  I'm afraid that U.S. troops will eventually be directly involved.
If the Ukrainians are defeated, eventually we will be directly involved, because of our treaty obligations With NATO countries.  But as a result of the present conflict the opposing forces would be short command and noncom elements lost in this conflict, along with the tremendous amount of equipment destroyed or captured so far in this conflict.
Here, at least, the Ukrainians are willing to fight for their country, and need to be supplied materiel, not manpower to do so, and I'm all for giving them the tools to fight.
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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #1135 on: June 08, 2022, 01:47:23 am »
If the Ukrainians are defeated, eventually we will be directly involved, because of our treaty obligations With NATO countries.  But as a result of the present conflict the opposing forces would be short command and noncom elements lost in this conflict, along with the tremendous amount of equipment destroyed or captured so far in this conflict.
Here, at least, the Ukrainians are willing to fight for their country, and need to be supplied materiel, not manpower to do so, and I'm all for giving them the tools to fight.

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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #1136 on: June 08, 2022, 02:20:20 am »
Severodonetsk becomes a huge mass grave for Russian army and Kadyrovites

Иван Яковина  |  7 June, 12:49 PM

Russian dictator Vladimir Putin needed propaganda success, so he demanded that his army capture the Luhansk Oblast. However, the city of Severodonetsk turned out to be a trap set by the Ukrainian military.


International observer Ivan Yakovina shared with Radio NV on June 6 what happened on the Luhansk axis over the past week, and how Russians have reacted to these developments. The following is an edited transcript of his briefing.  .  .

.  .  .  Putin needs a propaganda win, and therefore he wants his army to capture Lysychansk and Severodonetsk as soon as possible.

Since their encirclement (of Ukraine’s Joint Forces Operation) failed, Russia threw all its troops into a frontal assault, first on Severodonetsk.

This attack was quite successful. A few days ago, it was announced that 70-80% of Severodonetsk was captured, that the Ukrainian army was retreating, that it was evacuating across the Siverskyi Donets River to Lysychansk.

On June 4, reports began to appear that everything was not as bad as it seemed. And the day after, it became clear that the Ukrainian army had prepared an ambush there.  .  .  .

https://english.nv.ua/nation/severodonetsk-as-huge-mass-grave-for-russian-army-and-kadyrovites-russia-invasion-of-ukraine-50248122.html



While I don't believe claims that this battle is a "decisive defeat" for Russia, it is clear that it has not been a success either.  A few days ago, the talk was about how Ukraine would abandon Severodonetsk to avoid being surrounded as Russian troops made a swift advance into the city.  Now we see Russian troops retreating.
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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #1137 on: June 08, 2022, 02:39:56 am »
@Right_in_Virginia

Close,but no cigar. ALL free states should join with our efforts to stop Neo-Soviet aggression by handing them their asses in a bucket.

EVERY nation and peoples who are free and who want to remain free should take part at whatever level,EXCEPT assault combat troops,to make sure the Neo-Soviets lose this war they started so badly that they are never tempted to try it again.

@sneakypete

What about Iran's aggression .... is this worth stopping?  Or the hot mess in Syria....shouldn't we be actively securing freedom there, too?   And what about China and Taiwan?  Sure looks like China's gearing up for some aggression there.  Shouldn't we be mobilizing by now?

I do not understand our obsession with Europe.  There's really no difference between the Middle East's lust for tribal warfare and Europe's ------ it's been going on for centuries and will continue for centuries.  We are not going to stop it---war is embedded in Europe's blood.

Let Europe handle this --- it's what they live for.

Let's turn our full attention and wallet to saving our own nation.

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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #1138 on: June 08, 2022, 02:43:08 am »
@sneakypete

What about Iran's aggression .... is this worth stopping?  Or the hot mess in Syria....shouldn't we be actively securing freedom there, too?

If they are invading neighboring countries, committing war crimes and atrocities, creating global insecurity, and threatening our allies, heck yes.
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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #1139 on: June 08, 2022, 03:14:38 am »
@sneakypete

What about Iran's aggression .... is this worth stopping?  Or the hot mess in Syria....shouldn't we be actively securing freedom there, too?   And what about China and Taiwan?  Sure looks like China's gearing up for some aggression there.  Shouldn't we be mobilizing by now?


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Remind me which of those nations has the ability to start a world war?

Other than China,of course,and they are too busy doing stuff like replacing American workers with slave laborers earning less than minimum wage by doing stuff like building auto transmissions for GM .


I do not understand our obsession with Europe.

Clearly.

 There's really no difference between the Middle East's lust for tribal warfare and Europe's ------

Every heard of those little things like nuclear weapons and soldiers that actually know how to read and write?

 
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« Reply #1140 on: June 08, 2022, 03:46:29 am »
@Hoodat

Naw,it's just "stoopid Russian Macho Bush". Never met a Russian that didn't have an inferiority complex,for damn good historic reasons,and I have met more than a few. Oddly enough,this trait seems to pass through to at least two generations that are born in the west.

Yes,it IS "stoopid",but make no mistake about it,it is also extremely dangerous because these goobers just don't have enough common sense to know when to back off. All their lives they have been indoctrinated into "Defending Holy Mother Russia",and it is one of the very few things that was accepted by the authorities.

In Russia,and those who were born and who grow up in Russia,an inferiority comes at the moment of birth. I am going to play the 5 cent shrink here,and say it comes from every Russian but Royalty in all the history of Russia was born as a serf with no actual rights other than the right to die or be enslaved in a labor camp if they protest.

The typical westerner can't even begin to imagine the daily reality  the typical Russian (AND Chinese) citizen grew up to accept as "just another day at the office". When I say they had a "lack of freedom",I mean a TOTAL lack of individual freedoms. They were nothing but tools of the state,and they didn't know any better than to accept that.

Any that didn't,immediately became an "enemy of the state" and most would spend the rest of their short lives in labor camps or as test subjects for medical research.

And the important,and damn near impossible part of this for a westerner to understand was they took this for granted and didn't see it as a big deal. They were flat-out OWNED by their Soviet Masters,and since they had no choice,accepted it as normal.

Royalty saw them all as nothing more than useful tools,and the Russian leaders still see them this way.

ANY western leader would be horrified by all the losses the Russians have suffered if they were their troops,but with the Russian leadership seeing their troops as nothing more than pawns,all it does is make them want to double-down. After all,THEY,personally are not threatened and are not going to be threatened in any way,even if the peons get fed up and decide to revolt. They will just get on their private jets or private yachts,and tool off to someplace with the billions they will steal/have stolen from the treasury.

And we ALL know that there is no such thing as a human being being so vile that Billions of dollars won't buy or rent them all the friends they need.

Hell,I wouldn't doubt that Putin has enough money stashed away in foreign bank accounts that there are several small nations he could just buy and then have a safe place to live.

I was actually thinking/hoping that the insanity attached to the massive losses of Russian troops would have already had him and the Politburo declaring victory and retreating back to Russia,but I now think this fool plans on the fighting going on until the last Russian soldier dies,if that is what it takes.

After all,there is NOTHING more important to the typical Russian male than his personal pride. Hell,it was practically the only thing the Soviet Masters allowed them to "own".

AND....,once again,THIS FORM OF SLAVERY HAS BEEN TRUE FOR THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF THE RUSSIAN NATION.  It is/was literally the only way they knew to live.

I can only hope that foreign diplomats with trusted connections within the Politburo have been whispering 'Revolution" in their ears. These people no doubt have MASSIVE ego's,but if they weren't clever enough to have been obsessed with personal safety they would have never risen to the offices they now hold.

There has been plenty of whispers about Putin having bad health,and the time has come and passed for the movers and shakers in the Politburo to take him out of office,if for no other reason than to save themselves and their own positions,or POSSIBLY face another Russian Revolution.

After all,the typical Russian citizen of today is nowhere near as ignorant of world events and reality as their grandparents were,and it is the sons and fathers of these typical citizens that are doing all the fighting and dying,not the Politburo members or their relatives.

The worse part about this IMNSHO,is that they have been conditioned to be obedient to the system that even though they now KNOW they have been screwed for all of their history,it is hard to break the "obedient to authority" conditioning they have all grown up with.

One other thing I am growing more and more sure about every day is that if Russia isn't stopped NOW,and Putin removed from power,there WILL be another world war because getting away with this will only encourage them to go for more.
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When I first cut the cable TV and had only Prime with a fire stick, I watched a few series from Russia, mainly out of curiosity.One was about a fighter pilot who was a hero, but whose zampolit, out of envy, referred him for disloyalty to the Soviet Union. Of course, he and his family went to prison for a year, and regrettably, while he was found innocent, his wife and kids died in prison.

He, however was found to be loyal to the Soviet Union and was reinstated as a fighter pilot, still loyal to the State, of course.

While an American, especially having lost his wife and kids over a jealous political officer, might take that plane and sort a few bastards out, the Russian Pilot was grateful to the State for finding him loyal--almost no mention of his losses.

The Czarist Russian/Soviet/'post-communist' Russian people have always been treated like livestock to some extent by their political masters, from what I can see.

Unfortunately, the people pulling strings here, on both sides of the pond, are not altruistic Americans, but somehow either intellectually or biologically inbred results of generations of people marrying their own cousins, punctuated by sheer cunning and ruthlessness, but a far cry from the more egalitarian concept of 'all men are created equal and endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights'.

In their mindset, they have some sort of birthright to it all, and you and I have none but to be their pawns, their serfs, cannon fodder and trading chits in the grand scheme of things that enriches them and cares bugger-all about us. Multi-generational economic success has convinced them that this is true, even if that game is as rigged as the 2020 elections, and their toadying minions do all in their power to ensure that success (or suffer the consequences).

Where I am going with this is pretty simple. The first battle anyone has to fight in their quest for Liberty and fundamental human dignity is the one against themselves. They have to believe that they somehow deserve the basic human Rights to life, liberty, and property (pursuit of happiness), and that no one else has any greater or overwhelming right to that than the individual does.

Our loyalties are placed because we choose to do so, not because we were born tied to a patch of ground, or a certain family, but through our own determination that that is where our loyalty belongs. The trend, even here, however, and especially with the divisiveness of late is to break us down into tribal groups based on skin color, who we F**k, who/what we worship, any dividing line focused on lilliputian differences rather than overwhelming similarities--because otherwise, we cannot be manipulated, controlled, or kept at each other's throats while those who are pulling the strings (doing the manipulating) gorge themselves on a feast of our wealth, labor, even children, for their own appetites.
Two million people have overrun our borders--enough young men of military service age that they could have taken over any of the nice, tropical countries they came from if they had their crap together and a half-assed leader, but they are being led here, manipulated en masse, by whatever means and promises.
Other, more independently thinking people (at least for slavic regions) are being hammered out of that idea by their wannabe Russian overlords, at the behest of a cartel of power brokers who are choreographing the whole show--and ultimately, we are all paying not only for the ticket to the show, but for the concessions, popcorn and a pop, and maybe a candy bar, but for the little people everywhere, it is on our collective tab while others grow rich, if from nothing but skimming the vast funds being tossed about--regardless of what border, where is being violated.
Send bullets, not bucks, to both borders. Inform the stampeding herd on its way here like it was black Friday at the border to just put the brakes on, because one way or another they will be met with a wall, and putting the few women and children in front won't help them any more than it helped the Chinese troops in Korea to march villagers in front of them when advancing on US positions.

It is time we rebel against this manipulation, time to assert our own sovereignty to the degree we are not the chattel of these relatively few people who think they own us--and the essential first step is mental--to free ourselves of being manipulated through some of the loyalties hammered into us from the cradle.
Free people choose who or what they will be loyal to, and go from there.

That said, I believe our Constitution is a framework by which a people, despite their differences can be free, or as close as any have ever been as a large group with a pile of relatively minor differences that can be overcome by the suitable application of human dignity.

The greatest obstacle to achieving that has become our employees who have the temerity to think they are our rulers.
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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #1141 on: June 08, 2022, 12:20:45 pm »
Over 1,000 Ukrainian prisoners of war sent to Russia for investigation

By Reuters
June 7, 2022

More than 1,000 Ukrainian soldiers who surrendered in the city of Mariupol have been transferred to Russia for investigation, Tass news agency reported on Tuesday, citing a Russian law enforcement source.

If confirmed, the news could undermine already troubled peace talks between the two sides.

Kyiv is seeking the handover of all the estimated 2,000 defenders from the Azovstal plant in a prisoner swap, but Russian lawmakers have demanded that some of the soldiers be put on trial.

“More than 1000 people from Azovstal were brought to Russia. Law enforcement organs are working with them closely,” Tass quoted the source as saying. It did not give details about what might happen next.

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« Reply #1142 on: June 08, 2022, 01:09:47 pm »
If they are invading neighboring countries, committing war crimes and atrocities, creating global insecurity, and threatening our allies, heck yes.

Someone seems to forget that we're still (back) in Syria and we were fighting the Iranians via a proxy war. Iran is backing the Houthi rebels and the U.S. was supplying the Saudi's and Jordan and the other countries that were fighting them with equipment much the same way we are with Ukraine.

I say back to Syria because IIRC Trump had us out of there and Biden put us back in there.

And I say was backing the Jordanian's and Saudi's because Puddin' Brain cut off our support and allowed the Houthi's to gain ground.
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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #1143 on: June 08, 2022, 01:29:45 pm »

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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #1144 on: June 08, 2022, 05:24:57 pm »
If the Ukrainians are defeated, eventually we will be directly involved, because of our treaty obligations With NATO countries.  But as a result of the present conflict the opposing forces would be short command and noncom elements lost in this conflict, along with the tremendous amount of equipment destroyed or captured so far in this conflict.
Here, at least, the Ukrainians are willing to fight for their country, and need to be supplied materiel, not manpower to do so, and I'm all for giving them the tools to fight.

 :amen:

I don't know how many times in how many ways this has been said and still the pro-appeasement crowd doesn't want to understand it.
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« Reply #1145 on: June 08, 2022, 07:05:51 pm »
Russia cracks down on critics of military actions in Ukraine

June 8, 2022
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MOSCOW (AP) — Russian authorities kept up their crackdown against citizens who speak out about the fighting in Ukraine, extending a critic’s detention on Wednesday, confirming charges against two others and prompting Moscow’s chief rabbi to flee the country.

Russia adopted a law criminalizing spreading allegedly false information about its military shortly after its troops rolled into Ukraine in late February. The offense is punishable by up to 15 years in prison. Human rights advocates have counted dozens of cases. Russians must use the term “military operation” when speaking of the fighting in Ukraine.

In the latest development, a Moscow court on Wednesday extended the detention of Vladimir Kara-Murza Jr., a journalist and former associate of assassinated Russian opposition leader Boris Nemtsov. The court extended Kara-Murza’s detention from June 12 to Aug. 12 on accusations that he spread “false information” about the country’s armed forces. The activist rejects the charges.

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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #1146 on: June 08, 2022, 07:40:31 pm »


Gee ....'backbone' and thinking of one's own country.  What a concept!
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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #1147 on: June 08, 2022, 07:45:43 pm »
:amen:

I don't know how many times in how many ways this has been said and still the pro-appeasement crowd doesn't want to understand it.

No one is suggesting not helping Ukraine with materials, but after spending, billions upon billions when does it end? 

IF we continue to spend billions that we don't have, draw down on our own munitions and continue to leave our borders wide open, we will soon be fighting in our own backyards. If not because of those coming in are from areas of known terrorists meaning to do us harm and connecting with sleeper cells that are already here, then it will be because of complete economic collapse.  Supporting the millions coming into this country is unsustainable. 
Romans 12:16-21

Live in harmony with one another; do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly, do not claim to be wiser than you are.  Do not repay anyone evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all.  If it is possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all…do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

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« Reply #1148 on: June 08, 2022, 07:50:29 pm »
No one is suggesting not helping Ukraine with materials, but after spending, billions upon billions when does it end? 

IF we continue to spend billions that we don't have, draw down on our own munitions and continue to leave our borders wide open, we will soon be fighting in our own backyards. If not because of those coming in are from areas of known terrorists meaning to do us harm and connecting with sleeper cells that are already here, then it will be because of complete economic collapse.  Supporting the millions coming into this country is unsustainable. 

Nonsense.

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« Reply #1149 on: June 08, 2022, 07:57:32 pm »
Romans 12:16-21

Live in harmony with one another; do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly, do not claim to be wiser than you are.  Do not repay anyone evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all.  If it is possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all…do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.