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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #225 on: May 10, 2022, 10:52:20 am »
Considering this, photographing dead soldiers and sending those images to next of kin becomes a kindness, not the horror some characterized it as.

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It has always been both a kindness and a horror to the families.

I happen to think that regardless of the intent,in the long run it is a kindness because it allows the families to grieve and then recover from the grief. Not knowing what happened to their loved ones,and wondering if they are still alive and suffering in some slave labor camp somewhere is the worse possible thing that could happen to the families of these "missing" soldiers.
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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #226 on: May 10, 2022, 10:56:33 am »
I doubt it would make much difference. If the government does not want to pay then they simply will not pay. A photograph will not change the situation in Russia. What is worse is the guys returning with no legs or other disabilities. Russia gives them something like a bottle of vodka, a loaf of bread, a bottle of cooking oil, 500 rubles, and maybe a chicken. Then it is, 'so long. see you later. bah by.'

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And you will NEVER see any of these crippled and/or blind soldiers begging on the streets of Moscow,either. Russia didn't even allow obviously wounded and/or crippled soldiers to live in Moscow during WW-2.
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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #227 on: May 10, 2022, 11:20:06 am »
Russia is responsible of the destruction. Russia can pay the bill.

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Russia can't even pay her own bills due to the embargo that western Europe put on her.

I SUSPECT that Russia is already spending her cash reserves to make it APPEAR to Russian citizens that they are winning in Ukraine and there is nothing to be alarmed about,but this can't continue.

I have no idea how much longer it can last or what will happen when Russia starts running out of money to provide food,medical care,heat,and electricity to the Russian people,but I strongly suspect it is going to get ugly before it starts to get better.

After all,the only thing that keeps police states in power is the fear and illusion that they can and will provide all the basic needs to the people. Fear will only take you so far,but once the power goes out and the food supplies stop arriving,it gets ugly on a medieval level VERY quickly.

After all,people starving and freezing to death in the dark pretty much don't have anything to lose but pain and suffering.
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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #228 on: May 10, 2022, 11:26:46 am »
This will not turn out well

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THAT ought to stir things up,both with the patriotic dedicated communists,and with the people already fed up with this war.  I SUSPECT those who are fed up greatly outnumber those whose Patriotism is aroused,but who really knows before the smoke clears?

The first sign things are going bad for the Russian leadership is when someone notices their families are leaving Moscow and the surrounding areas where their massive dachas are located.

This should be VERY obvious to western bankers,who will be receiving sudden and surprising amounts of wealth in transfers from Russia. Some will keep quiet about it,but others won't be able to resist whispering into media ears. ABC,CBS,NBC,etc,etc,etc might be reluctant to mention it,but it WILL get out.
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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #229 on: May 10, 2022, 11:28:00 am »
"AFU still shelling residential areas in Donetsk - Kirovsky district, today"  (Video)


https://mobile.twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1523984023957221378


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What strikes me the most when I see footage from Donetsk is how the people are... used to this. Everyone knows what to do when they hear artillery, "duck & cover", fire brigades move swiftly on muscle memory. 16-year-olds have lived half their lives like this.

7:13 AM · May 10, 2022·Twitter Web App

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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #230 on: May 10, 2022, 11:35:53 am »
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I think that became clear in Mariupol when Kiev decided to leave Azov to die & immediately started turning them into shahids with all the accompanying media idolatry while they're still alive & begging for help

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If it’s just a unit or two of regular army and then the national guard when those cities are surrounded, I think we can say that a definite intention to Ukrainian operations can be pointed out. Ukraine’s leadership quietly ensuring the annihilation of its own national guard.

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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #231 on: May 10, 2022, 11:46:03 am »
Is Russia now LOSING in Eastern Ukraine? Putin's propagandist 'war reporter' dares to criticise generals and says their troops 'can't push out Ukrainian forces' - as US says officers are DISOBEYING orders

By CHRIS JEWERS FOR MAILONLINE and ASSOCIATED PRESS
9 May 2022

Russia is struggling to make significant military gains in Ukraine's Donbas region because it is fighting Kyiv's forces one-on-one, a pro-Moscow reporter has said.

War correspondent and Putin propagandist Aleksandr Sladkov made a rare admission of Russia's military struggles in Ukraine, speaking in a video posted to social media late on Monday.

He said that Vladimir Putin's so-called special military operation was 'shamefully indecisive', that Russian troops 'can't push out Ukrainian forces', and that Moscow's armies are 'making a feat out of something that should be routine'.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10799359/Is-Russia-LOSING-Donbas-Pro-Putin-war-reporter-says-troops-push-Ukrainian-forces.html

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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #232 on: May 10, 2022, 11:47:35 am »
"AFU still shelling residential areas in Donetsk - Kirovsky district, today"  (Video)


https://mobile.twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1523984023957221378

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Several civilians killed in Donetsk just today. No military utility to these strikes, pure terror tactics and spite. No idea why people thought this could just go on forever.

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« Reply #233 on: May 10, 2022, 11:47:48 am »
Even Putin's media stooges are forced to admit Russia's invasion has stalled due to 'shameful' lack of equipment and reinforcements as Ukraine counter-strikes in the Donbas

By CHRIS PLEASANCE FOR MAILONLINE
10 May 2022

Putin's propagandists have begun openly criticising the state of Russia's military as even the Kremlin's most-hardened of supporters struggle to ignore the scope of its failings in Ukraine.

Vladimir Solovyov, one of Putin's most-prominent puppets, moaned last week about the 'shameful' length of time it takes for weapons to reach the front while guests on Russian state TV talk shows complained that men are being sent into battle 'with weapons of yesteryear' and the Russian economy cannot sustain the war.

Mikhail Khodaryonok, a retired Russia colonel, told viewers that even a much-feared general mobilisation of Russian forces would do little to turn the war in Moscow's favour because it lacks equipment and men to build new units. 'We don't have the reserves,' he told viewers.

Meanwhile Solovyov himself fumed that Russian troops are unable to get drones because so few are being produced, and even those that are made take too long to get into battle. 'Just try to bring something to the Donbas,' he said, 'it's easier to bring it in via Ukrainian customs in Lviv. They let any weapons through.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10800327/Ukraine-war-Russian-state-media-admits-shameful-military-failings.html

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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #234 on: May 10, 2022, 11:49:45 am »
Putin has forcibly deported 1.2MILLION Ukrainians to Russia and put them in 'filtration camps' – including mother of four-year-old girl who 'was snatched off the street and separated from her daughter

By CHRIS JEWERS FOR MAILONLINE and AFP and ASSOCIATED PRESS
9 May 2022

Ukrainians are being taken against their will into Russia, the U.S. has said, with some reports suggesting more than 1 million have been taken - including a mother who was separated from her four-year-old daughter.

A senior defence official said Tuesday that the Pentagon has seen indications that Ukrainians caught up in Russia's invasion are being forcibly removed from their homeland and sent across the border by Vladimir Putin's forces.

Pentagon spokesman John Kirby said that camps were involved in the process.

'I can't speak to how many camps or what they look like,' Kirby told reporters. 'But we do have indications that Ukrainians are being taken against their will into Russia.'

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10798771/Putins-troops-forcibly-removed-nearly-1-2MILLION-Ukrainians-sent-Russia-officials-say.html

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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #235 on: May 10, 2022, 11:50:31 am »
Putin has forcibly deported 1.2MILLION Ukrainians to Russia and put them in 'filtration camps' – including mother of four-year-old girl who 'was snatched off the street and separated from her daughter

By CHRIS JEWERS FOR MAILONLINE and AFP and ASSOCIATED PRESS
9 May 2022

Ukrainians are being taken against their will into Russia, the U.S. has said, with some reports suggesting more than 1 million have been taken - including a mother who was separated from her four-year-old daughter.

A senior defence official said Tuesday that the Pentagon has seen indications that Ukrainians caught up in Russia's invasion are being forcibly removed from their homeland and sent across the border by Vladimir Putin's forces.

Pentagon spokesman John Kirby said that camps were involved in the process.

'I can't speak to how many camps or what they look like,' Kirby told reporters. 'But we do have indications that Ukrainians are being taken against their will into Russia.'

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10798771/Putins-troops-forcibly-removed-nearly-1-2MILLION-Ukrainians-sent-Russia-officials-say.html

Forcibly removing civilians and sending them to concentration camps - how very Nazi-ish of the Russians.  And here we've been told all along that only Ukraine was Nazi.

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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #236 on: May 10, 2022, 12:02:12 pm »
"Donetsk People's Republic leader holds Victory Day Parade in Mariupol"  (Video)


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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #237 on: May 10, 2022, 12:02:42 pm »
Just stop already.  Ok?  Just stop.

It's getting kinda sad.
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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #238 on: May 10, 2022, 12:09:15 pm »
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A shopping mall on the outskirts of Odessa is reported to be on fire after a missile strike. No information yet what the target was. "Patriotic" business owners have been offering up their businesses to the AFU (& sometimes they don't ask) - maybe we'll see

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"it does sound/look like something exploded after the missile hit"  (Video)


https://mobile.twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1523781986116333570

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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #239 on: May 10, 2022, 12:20:12 pm »
Putin is gambling that the West will lose interest in Ukraine — let’s prove him wrong

By Dalibor Rohac
May 9, 2022

Those who feared, not without reason, that Russian President Vladimir Putin would use the annual Victory Day parade on Red Square as a backdrop for further escalation in his war against Ukraine — perhaps declaring general mobilization — might breathe a sigh of relief.

Instead of grand political gestures, the world witnessed many of the usual displays of military might, with the notable exception of a Z-styled flyover over Moscow — supposedly canceled due to bad weather, though it was a sunny day in Russia’s capital. Absent too was Valery Gerasimov, Russia’s chief of the general staff, reportedly wounded by shrapnel in his leg near Izyum, Ukraine, and almost certainly out of favor with Putin due to the shambolic planning and execution of the “special military operation” in Ukraine.

In his speech, Putin rehashed all the regime’s lies about his war of conquest. Supposedly, Russia was long seeking a “compromise” with an intransigent NATO, which continued to push closer to Russian borders with the aim of destroying the country. Citing campaigns by Russia’s historic military figures as precedents, he claimed that the nation’s defense required a preemptive strike.

If Putin’s speech lacked an explicit doubling down on his plan to destroy Ukraine — given Russia’s massive casualties and troops’ morale problems in Ukraine, calling in all the reservists could be a dangerous political proposition — it also conveyed little information about possible ways out from the corner that Putin has boxed himself into.

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2022/05/09/putin-is-gambling-that-the-west-will-lose-interest-in-ukraine/

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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #240 on: May 10, 2022, 12:41:33 pm »
"Lindsey Graham declares, "let's take out Putin" and says there is "no off-ramp in this war" -- also continues to suggest a No Fly Zone. "We can win this war on behalf of Ukraine," he adds.  (Video)


https://mobile.twitter.com/mtracey/status/1523678611898703872

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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #241 on: May 10, 2022, 12:51:15 pm »
"Lindsey Graham declares, "let's take out Putin" and says there is "no off-ramp in this war" -- also continues to suggest a No Fly Zone. "We can win this war on behalf of Ukraine," he adds.  (Video)


https://mobile.twitter.com/mtracey/status/1523678611898703872

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What's with this "us stuff",bubba?

Is Lady Lindsey now saying she is going to "suit up" and go to war?
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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #242 on: May 10, 2022, 01:02:25 pm »
Just stop already.  Ok?  Just stop.

It's getting kinda sad.

Okay, boys.  I've got to scoot. 

Play nice until I get back ..... and promise me you'll wear your helmets and won't run in the street.   Mommy loves you both.




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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #243 on: May 10, 2022, 01:07:33 pm »
Okay, boys.  I've got to scoot. 

Play nice until I get back ..... and promise me you'll wear your helmets and won't run in the street.   Mommy loves you both.




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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #244 on: May 10, 2022, 01:08:39 pm »
Russia pounds vital port of Odesa, targeting supply lines

By ELENA BECATOROS and JON GAMBRELL
May 10, 2022

ZAPORIZHZHIA, Ukraine (AP) — Russian troops pounded away at the vital port of Odesa, Ukrainian officials said Tuesday, apparently as part of efforts to disrupt the supply lines and weapons shipments that have been critical to Kyiv’s defense.

Ukraine’s ability to stymie a larger, better armed Russian military has surprised many observers, who had anticipated a much quicker conflict. With the war now in its 11th week and Kyiv bogging Russian forces down in many places and even staging a counteroffensive in others, Ukraine’s foreign minister appeared to suggest that the country could expand its aims beyond merely pushing Russia back to areas it or its allies held on the day of Feb. 24 invasion.

One of the most dramatic examples of Ukraine’s ability to deny Russia easy victories has been Mariupol, where Ukrainian fighters remain holed up at a steel plant despite a monthslong siege. The regiment defending the plant said Tuesday that Russian war planes continued pounding it.

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Source:  https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-putin-business-nato-moscow-c8e00f7bbc4f24aa40d70a4ac2d97adb

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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #245 on: May 10, 2022, 01:35:48 pm »
Ukraine ‘destroys Putin parade boat’ with laser-guided bomb off Snake Island

Boat has been used for speeches by Russian president and in military exercises

Thomas Kingsley
May 10, 2022

A Russian “parade boat” used by Vladimir Putin to inspect naval fleets has been destroyed, Ukraine’s armed forces has claimed.

The Raptor-class patrol vessel was targeted by a laser-guided bomb dropped from a Ukraine-operated Bayraktar TB2 drone near Snake Island in the Black Sea on 8 May, the Ukrainian ministry of defence said.

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Source:  https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-destroys-putin-parade-boat-snake-island-b2075538.html

Raptor-class patrol boats:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raptor-class_patrol_boat

According to the wikipedia article, 5 have been destroyed so far, leaving Russia with only 3 remaining.
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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #246 on: May 10, 2022, 01:41:43 pm »
Ukraine stages alternative ‘parade’ of destroyed and captured Russian tanks to mark Victory Day

Ukrainian army says its parade is meant to ruin holiday for Russian occupiers

Shweta Sharma
May 10, 2022

As Vladimir Putin oversaw a Victory Day parade in Russia on Monday, Ukraine staged an alternative one, displaying destroyed and captured Russian equipment in an effort to mock Moscow.

The Ukrainian ministry of defence said in a tweet that the 93rd Mechanized Brigade of its army held a “parade of trophy Russian tanks” to ruin the holiday for the Russians. These tanks were captured from Russian troops amid the war in the eastern European country for the past 75 days.

In an apparent jibe, the ministry added: “Maybe aggressors think that by arming #UAarmy with Russian trophy equipment, it will affect the turn of NATO-style armament? New clever plan.”

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Source:  https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/victory-day-ukraine-russian-tanks-b2075305.html

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« Reply #247 on: May 10, 2022, 01:42:23 pm »
As a famous Congressman once said, 'A hundred million here ... and a trillion dollars there, the next thing you know we are talking about serious money?'

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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #248 on: May 10, 2022, 03:04:37 pm »
Putin is preparing for a 'prolonged conflict' in Ukraine, Biden's top spy chief warns, and will grow 'more unpredictable' and 'escalatory' in his invasion

By EMILY GOODIN, SENIOR U.S. POLITICAL REPORTER
10 May 2022

Vladimir Putin is preparing for a 'prolonged' war in the Ukraine, President Joe Biden's spy chief warned on Tuesday, and he will grow more 'unpredictable' and 'escalatory' in his invasion.

U.S. Director of National Intelligence Avril Haines warned the fighting will grow worse and that Putin will expand his reach beyond the Donbass region in southeast Ukraine.

'The next month or two of fighting will be significant as the Russians attempt to reinvigorate their efforts,' Haines said in testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10801747/Putin-preparing-prolonged-conflict-Ukraine-Bidens-spy-chief-warns.html

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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #249 on: May 10, 2022, 03:05:03 pm »
Putin is preparing for a 'prolonged conflict' in Ukraine, Biden's top spy chief warns, and will grow 'more unpredictable' and 'escalatory' in his invasion

By EMILY GOODIN, SENIOR U.S. POLITICAL REPORTER
10 May 2022

Vladimir Putin is preparing for a 'prolonged' war in the Ukraine, President Joe Biden's spy chief warned on Tuesday, and he will grow more 'unpredictable' and 'escalatory' in his invasion.

U.S. Director of National Intelligence Avril Haines warned the fighting will grow worse and that Putin will expand his reach beyond the Donbass region in southeast Ukraine.

'The next month or two of fighting will be significant as the Russians attempt to reinvigorate their efforts,' Haines said in testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10801747/Putin-preparing-prolonged-conflict-Ukraine-Bidens-spy-chief-warns.html

Unfortunately, it is up to the Russians themselves to shoot the rabid dog that is Putin.