Biden Uses Gun Control Announcement to Renew False Claim That Early Americans Couldn’t Buy a Cannon

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Biden Uses Gun Control Announcement to Renew False Claim That Early Americans Couldn’t Buy a Cannon

AWR Hawkins
11 Apr 2022

President Joe Biden expounded on his new rules for so-called “ghost guns” Monday and renewed his false claim that early Americans could not buy a cannon.

Earlier on Monday, Breitbart News noted that the White House released a Fact Sheet as a precursor to Biden’s speech.

The Fact Sheet explained new rules requiring Federal Firearms License holders (FFLs) to add serial numbers to any unserialized gun taken into their possession:

The Justice Department is requiring federally licensed dealers and gunsmiths taking any unserialized firearm into inventory to serialize that weapon. For example, if an individual builds a firearm at home and then sells it to a pawn broker or another federally licensed dealer, that dealer must put a serial number on the weapon before selling it to a customer. This requirement will apply regardless of how the firearm was made, meaning it includes ghost guns made from individual parts, kits, or by 3D-printers.

Biden expounded on the information in the Fact Sheet during his speech, then renewed his calls for an “assault weapons” ban and universal background checks.

After announcing so-called “ghost gun” controls,” and pushing the other gun controls, Biden said, “By the way — it’s going to sound bizarre — I support the Second Amendment.”

He continued, “But from the very beginning the Second Amendment didn’t say you could own any gun you want, as big as you want. You couldn’t buy a cannon, when in fact the Second Amendment passed.”

Biden has repeatedly claimed early Americans could not buy cannons and his claims have been disproven again and again.

For example, on February 3, 2022, Breitbart News did a Fact Check on Biden’s claim that early Americans could not buy a cannon and found the claim to be false.

Years earlier, in 2020, PolitiFact did a Fact Check on Biden making the same claim and also found it to be false.

The Washington Post gave Biden four Pinocchios for claiming the purchase of cannons was prohibited by the Second Amendment and labeled the claim “false.”

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/04/11/biden-uses-gun-control-announcement-to-renew-false-claim-that-early-americans-couldnt-buy-a-cannon/

[mountaineer]

Jonathan Turley
@JonathanTurley
·
1h
The President just repeated the false statement that when the Second Amendment was ratified "you couldn't own a cannon." The suggestion that the Second Amendment was viewed as limited types of gun ownership, even cannons, is false.

...The President said "this is going to sound bizarre but I support the Second Amendment" and noted that you could not buy a cannon in the early Republic. It does sound bizarre because it is legally and historically untrue.

...There was no federal regulation or law barring the types of guns or weapons that could be possessed or owned when the Second Amendment was ratified. What is weird is that he keeps raising a point that undermines his position because this was not the view in the early Republic.

[mountaineer]

President Biden
@POTUS
United States government official
 · 56m
We need Congress to pass universal background checks.
Ban assault weapons and high-capacity magazines.
And eliminate gun manufacturers’ immunity from liability.


Kenny Webster PhD
@KennethRWebster
1m
Every patriotic person who reads Biden’s tweet should go buy a gun today just because.

[Smokin Joe]

President Biden
@POTUS
United States government official
 · 56m
We need Congress to pass universal background checks.
Ban assault weapons and high-capacity magazines.
And eliminate gun manufacturers’ immunity from liability.


Kenny Webster PhD
@KennethRWebster
1m
Every patriotic person who reads Biden’s tweet should go buy a gun today just because.

How about eliminating "vaccine" manufacturer's immunity from liability first?


(If a gun injures or kills someone due to a malfunction or a defect in materials or workmanship, the manufacturers are liable.) Holding them liable for the actions of the users of their product would be like holding Ford liable for drunk drivers.

[mountaineer]

Of course, he repeated the lie that only gun manufacturers are immune from lawsuits. We all could scream "Pfizer!!" at the top of our lungs, and he still wouldn't get it.

[mountaineer]

Biden declares, ‘No amendment to Constitution is absolute’ as he rolls out gun measures
By Steven Nelson   
April 8, 2021 11:57am

WASHINGTON — President Biden on Thursday announced a slew of new gun control measures after a recent pair of high-profile mass shootings, and insisted the Second Amendment doesn’t grant an absolute right to own guns.

Biden presented the executive actions in the Rose Garden, joined by Attorney General Merrick Garland and Vice President Kamala Harris.

“No amendment to the Constitution is absolute,” Biden maintained, pointing to the famous Supreme Court ruling that you can’t yell fire in a crowded theater as part of the First Amendment’s free speech clause.

“You can’t yell … ‘fire’ in a crowded movie theater and call it freedom of speech.  From the very beginning, you couldn’t own any weapon you wanted to own. From the very beginning that the Second Amendment existed, certain people weren’t allowed to have weapons. So the idea is just bizarre to suggest that some of the things we’re recommending are contrary to the Constitution,” he said. ...

  NY Post

Just a minute, Joe.

You can’t yell fire in a crowded theater. I’m sure you’ve heard somebody say that before when discussing free speech and limitations on free speech and the First Amendment. Well, it’s actually one of the most widely misunderstood quotes in American law. It’s routinely parroted as the status of why there can be or are limitations on free speech, but it is a big fat myth. I will explain here in just a moment, so stick around. ...

 It comes up all the time in all of my First Amendment type cases when I’m discussing somebody kind of where the limitations on free speech are, they always say, “Well, yeah, I know there are limitations because you can’t yell fire in a crowded theater.” So where did that come from?

It actually came from a case way back when, in I believe it was 1917, Schenck versus United States is the case. I’ll put the citation down here so you can actually look it up. And it was a quote from Supreme Court Justice, Oliver Wendell Holmes. And the interesting about it is the Schenck case wasn’t about fires, it wasn’t about theaters, it kind of wasn’t even about free speech. It was in a way, but it was really about a guy that was being charged with violations of the Espionage Act because he was a member of the socialist party and he was speaking out against the draft. And the other bizarre thing about why this quote gets attributed to why it’s okay to limit free speech is, the Schenck case, which has now actually been overturned and has been for like 60 years, actually stood for the exact opposite. The Schenck case was applying a pretty large degree of censorship on free speech. That’s why it was overturned is because it was actually found to be completely contrary toward what the First Amendment stood for.

So, the idea that you can’t yell fire in a crowded theater, Justice Holmes was using that as an analogy to simply say that free speech can’t go completely unchecked. And that idea has maintained it’s truth throughout the years. That’s still true. There are limitations on what is considered protected speech and what is not considered protected speech, and that’s a topic for a different video. But it’s just always been interesting to me that this quote, which is just dicta, it’s not the holding of the case, it’s not really the law of the land, and it’s not Justice Holmes saying that’s what the law of the land should be, has somehow withstood the test of time and is still, to this day, if you watch news reports on First Amendment issues, or you read newspaper articles on First Amendment issues, you’ll invariably run into somebody that talks about, “Well, we all know you can’t yell fire in a crowded theater.” That’s not the law. It really never has been the law. And it’s from a case that got overturned some 60 plus years ago. ...

Whalen Law Office

[mountaineer]

Be right back. I'm off to buy a cannon.

[Elderberry]

Be right back. I'm off to buy a cannon.

Whatcha gettin?

All I have is a small Coehorn Mortar and a small 1in bore cannon.

Here's one just a little bigger:



https://www.ima-usa.com/products/original-late-18th-century-small-bronze-minion-cannon-2-bore

[sneakypete]

Jonathan Turley
@JonathanTurley

>>What is weird is that he keeps raising a point that undermines his position because this was not the view in the early Republic.<<

@mountaineer

Nothing weird about it. He is telling the gun grabbers what they want to hear,and since it IS what they want to hear,none of them are going to question it.

Not that he knows,either.

[Killer Clouds]

You can yell fire in a crowded theater.

[sneakypete]

You can yell fire in a crowded theater.

@Killer Clouds

You sure can.

You can also get arrested for it,and sued if anyone is injured while trying to escape from the imaginary fire.

[Killer Clouds]

@Killer Clouds

You sure can.

You can also get arrested for it,and sued if anyone is injured while trying to escape from the imaginary fire.

But if there is a fire you can yell fire as loud as you can there for the "you can't yell fire in a theater" is BS.

[sneakypete]

But if there is a fire you can yell fire as loud as you can there for the "you can't yell fire in a theater" is BS.

@Killer Clouds

Well,the CORRECT expression is "You can't yell fire in a CROWDED theater".

Beyond that,your argument is BullBush because who the hell would even be there to hear you,never mind object,if you yelled "fire!" in an EMPTY theater.

You HAVE to apply a little bit of common sense to avoid looking foolish.

[mountaineer]

THE AFT!
@sabes8904
·
14h
We're literally arming the people of Ukraine while also asking why Americans need weapons. Does anybody else see how stupid this sounds?
7:57 PM · Apr 11, 2022

[andy58-in-nh]

My college fraternity had a cannon which we used to shoot off (powder charges, of course) at football games.

Today, for that and for countless other normal daily activities, we would be kicked off campus.

[Cyber Liberty]

My college fraternity had a cannon which we used to shoot off (powder charges, of course) at football games.

Today, for that and for countless other normal daily activities, we would be kicked off campus.

You weren't a Teke, were ya? 

[Wingnut]

You weren't a Teke, were ya? 

He couldn't have been if his frat had a cannon that actually worked.

[Cyber Liberty]

He couldn't have been if his frat had a cannon that actually worked.

True.  We weren't exactly SAE members....

[Wingnut]

True.  We weren't exactly SAE members....

We did have one but the barrel was rusted and stuff full of women's undergarments and beer cans.

[Cyber Liberty]

We did have one but the barrel was rusted and stuff full of women's undergarments and beer cans.

We didn't have a cannon.  We had a Soap Box Racer that racked up a few "Struck a Spectator" incidents.

[Wingnut]

We didn't have a cannon.  We had a Soap Box Racer that racked up a few "Struck a Spectator" incidents.

Well, It was their own fault.   

[Killer Clouds]

@Killer Clouds

Well,the CORRECT expression is "You can't yell fire in a CROWDED theater".

Beyond that,your argument is BullBush because who the hell would even be there to hear you,never mind object,if you yelled "fire!" in an EMPTY theater.

You HAVE to apply a little bit of common sense to avoid looking foolish.

The point is you can yell fire in a crowded theater if there is a fire.

[christian]

Gun massacres are starting up again,  The democrats were ready before the shooting started to scream gun control,   Are gun owners going to give up their guns because anything Biden does is better than Trump?  When it comes to playing the fool, in for a penny, in for a pound!  The last election, useful fool Presidential election, surprised even me!  The Republic many well be one useful fool election away from tyrant rule, our forefathers so despised.  Some even say; That was the last election, (they may end up being right).

[mountaineer]

https://twitter.com/EzraCeleste/status/1513936727458648066

[andy58-in-nh]

You weren't a Teke, were ya? 

I'm a Sigma Chi. actually.
 
Ivy League nerds with a bad drinking problem. Or vice versa.